411 on Vera Star

[Bit Banger]

If they advertise as an agency, it sets expectations up front.  I’m fine with that because there are times when I want/need agency services. But trying to advertise as an independent w/Bait&Switch service - Bad juju.

[SirGalaxy]

On 6/19/2020 at 2:01 PM, LightningP said:

Well, I just spent an hour with a lady who has uploaded all these photos on all her postings (Eros, PD, Tryst, P411, etc.) but the lady in those photos, as lovely she is, did not open the door for me today. Unless I’m losing my vision or they were shot before the new tat and breast reduction. There was some serious touch-up indeed. I also doubt she corresponded with me. The Moscovite I met was super cute, spoke limited English, and was quite efficient with her time. She definitely got the job done though, and she was fun to try and speak English with. YMMV, as they say. If it were possible to leave a review, I would do so.

I still don’t understand how everyone here is claiming bait and switch...even those that saw her.  This link here:  https://tryst.link/escort/vera-star even shows the same tat on her forearm that I saw on her in person.  Like I said in my earlier post:  there were a couple of pics that were less representative but others that were more accurate.  These are obviously “studio” pictures which may be touched up some...but unless the differences are completely obvious then what’s the harm? And, no, I’m not “white knighting” this provider but some of what is being said is incorrect.

[Guest]

On 6/21/2020 at 0:58 PM, gr8owl said:

Well, if you want to encourage and support bait and switch artists that use fake pics and shared profiles, go for it!  Not to mention encourage sites such as p411, private delights, and yes, even TOB to view this crap as acceptable and help render them useless, go for it! (so far I strongly believe TOB does not buy into the theory, to which I say keep up the good work!)

Tragic, She seems to have disappeared. It’s too bad because a few nice pictures of her real self, on a legit TOB site, would have served her very well and all of this could have been avoided. She really didn’t need to post fake photos.

[gr8owl]

1 hour ago, LightningP said:

Tragic, She seems to have disappeared. It’s too bad because a few nice pictures of her real self, on a legit TOB site, would have served her very well and all of this could have been avoided. She really didn’t need to post fake photos.

On 6/21/2020 at 9:30 AM, ynglifter69 said:

After hearing all of the physical descriptions here I want to see her even more.  Spinners in Denver are becoming like stories of walking through feet of snow to get to school as a child.  If anyone wants to dissuade me please let me know.

The perhaps too subtle point is that SHE did not use fake pics, her pimp that is genuinely "trafficking" her and other Russian ladies posted the fake pics.  If the bait and switch pimping activities are not supported by us as clients she ends up with two choices - back to the homeland or become independent, both of which may be superior to current situation.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

The perhaps too subtle point is that SHE did not use fake pics, her pimp that is genuinely "trafficking" her and other Russian ladies posted the fake pics.  If the bait and switch pimping activities are not supported by us as clients she ends up with two choices - back to the homeland or become independent, both of which may be superior to current situation.

Do you think she’s a trafficking victim? Yikes, that really sucks.

[Bit Banger]

25 minutes ago, LightningP said:

Do you think she’s a trafficking victim? Yikes, that really sucks.

Don’t forget that under Federal code, ALL transactional sex is trafficking. 🥴

[gr8owl]

1 hour ago, LightningP said:

Do you think she’s a trafficking victim? Yikes, that really sucks.

 

1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

Don’t forget that under Federal code, ALL transactional sex is trafficking. 🥴

Yes, I am aware of the federal and popular use definition.  That is NOT the definition I am using.  Lets put it this way, two possibilities I can think of:

1. A group of very attractive Russian females have as their life goal and aspiration being a sex worker in the United States and giving a significant portion of their income to an "agency" to manage and post bait and switch ads on their behalf, etc.  Happy, happy and what is the problem?

2. Through some combination of false promises and holding of Visa/green card or financial and debt intimidation bring a group of young females into a country where they know no one, barely speak the language and advertise and "manage" them including advertising, scheduling and keeping a significant portion of the income generated.  I would call that trafficking regardless of how one wants to spin it.

Which would you all consider most likely to be going on here?  Do you have a third possibility?  If so I am happy to listen and consider.  If not, why support it?  All I am trying to say is do not support clear bait and switch operations and especially not ones that have a distinct smell of POSSIBLE trafficking when there are literally hundreds of local choices within the state.  But at a minimum, for anyone that does support a clear bait and switch operation, please never complain in a thread about inaccurate pics!!!!

[Bit Banger]

2 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

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2. Through some combination of false promises and holding of Visa/green card or financial and debt intimidation bring a group of young females into a country where they know no one, barely speak the language and advertise and "manage" them including advertising, scheduling and keeping a significant portion of the income generated.  I would call that trafficking regardless of how one wants to spin it.

Oh, I’d say ^this^ is probably the correct explanation.  And yes, that fits my definition of trafficking.  

I just find it a travesty that statutes conflate this with the voluntary efforts of our lovely independent YL.  It also disturbs me that people focus on sex trafficking, ignoring the nail salons, kitchen help, agricultural and sweat shop workers, which account for a far larger portion of human trafficking.

[gr8owl]

19 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

 

I just find it a travesty that statutes conflate this with the voluntary efforts of our lovely independent YL.  It also disturbs me that people focus on sex trafficking, ignoring the nail salons, kitchen help, agricultural and sweat shop workers, which account for a far larger portion of human trafficking.

As do I, but that is a much larger conversation.  One small thing at a time that I can do something positive about - by not supporting!

[wildcatqdog11]

I saw her today and she is significantly smaller than 115 and she is truly only a B cup at best.  It was a pain to see her as we made an appointment for one time and then she kept changing it on me and then when we were supposed to start she said she was almost there.  I left for another appointment and she begged me to come back and see her after.  I agreed, I was horny, and said a time again and she said that a later time would be better.  I told her that maybe another time would be better and she offered me a discount, which she didn't give me, and said she really wanted to see me.  I guess I was not her type as the time we spent wasn't all that.  She was very standoffish and not that into me at all.  She is very cute and could be a blast if she got into it at all.  I wouldn't see her again!

 

[jjkkiio]

I saw her today. I won't be seeing anymore Russians (terrible track record).  YMMV (vary really hard). submitted a review. She does look like her pictures tho, pretty thin. 

 

[gb0138]

I forgot to say when I met with Vera, she mentioned another provider who traveled with her.  https://preferred411.com/P333701

I got the impression Vera had a manager of sorts.