Posted November 8, 2012 Condom use mandated on porn sets in L.A. County Nov 7, 2012 5:43 p.m. LOS ANGELES - Los Angeles County voters have approved a measure requiring porn performers to wear condoms while filming sex scenes, prompting a pledge by the adult entertainment industry to sue to overturn the measure. With 100 percent of the county's precincts reporting, Measure B passed 56 percent to 44 percent in Tuesday's election. The measure requires adult film producers to apply for a permit from the county Department of Public Health to shoot sex scenes. Permit fees will finance periodic inspections of film sets to enforce compliance. The AIDS Healthcare Foundation, which sponsored the initiative, says the measure will help safeguard the public, as well as porn workers, from sexually transmitted infections. But the adult film industry, which is largely centered in the San Fernando Valley in suburban Los Angeles, says the requirement is unnecessary since the industry already polices itself by requiring performers to undergo monthly tests for HIV and other infections. The industry also says the requirement would damage it since porn viewers will not watch sex scenes with condoms, and force adult film producers to relocate to where they can make movies that will sell. On Wednesday, the Free Speech Coalition, a trade group representing the adult entertainment industry, said it plans to file a lawsuit to overturn the condom requirement on constitutional grounds. In a letter sent to the county Board of Supervisors, the industry also requested that it be involved in discussions as to how the county will implement the requirements. It will also explore moves to neighboring states as soon as possible, the coalition said. Michael Weinstein, president of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, said he is not fazed by threats of a lawsuit or of relocation. The issue is one of public health and safety for workers who run a high risk for sexually transmitted illnesses, he said. The industry argument did not convince voters, he said. "There was a very high degree of awareness about this proposition," he said. "Voters were educated about it." About 200 companies produce adult films in Los Angeles. A two-year health permit would cost about $11,000, comparable to permits for tattoo and massage parlors, Weinstein said. "We don't want one more person to get HIV," he said. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 8, 2012 But wait? Isn't the possession of condoms an admission of prostitution? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 8, 2012 I believe this law will get defeated as unconstitutional, if it's challenged. 1. Porn is considered an art form and the people in the films, actors. That's how porn has voided being classified as prostitution. 2. It is illegal to regulate an art form because it's protected by freedom of speech. 3. Porn actors are like performance artists. They can easily claim they do not want to perform with condoms because it's against their artistic ethics, and be 100% valid. Also, producers can claim the audience wants authenticity and so no condoms, etc. Danger: In standard Hollywood films people get killed and injured all the time doing stunts. Actors don't have to wear hardhats (an analogy used about condoms) because they have a dangerous worksite. Treating porn films differently than regular films is suppression of that art form and it's illegal to do that in the US. It should easily be defeated and since the porn industry has so much cash, I assume they're getting on it as we speak. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 8, 2012 The head of the AIDS Foundation head this ALL.. 100% as he owns HUGE stock in condoms. He wants -comercials-..called porn. Money drives 100% of that town. There is no "we are concerned" Its $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Driven. Two years ago, I sat in a packed overflowing.. standing room only OSHA/Cal vs Porn hearing. The media, the Ivy League schools, the Extreme Right... Peanuts popcorn and candy apples.. EVERYONE was there.. except the performers. The Right stood and said how retarded and uneducated we are. They had hired little puppets saying we were raped, conned and abused. My only words I stood and yelled with class, "Did you cash the check?" It was just me and Brooke Haven. Everyone was stuck in the Sacs 5th Ave store looking at the next seasons color swatches. .. waaay tooo busy for this little thing we call Freedom of Speech. I left that day feeling like The New Kid on The Block but pondered if I was up for dragging the dead weight of 2,000 prostitutes. So this week on twitter, when fans asked? I said LA can burn.. Im a patriot and forerunner until I see I ran alone. My fav director/ smut running owner even said on twitter.. the disorganization of pornography reserves to be bitched slapped. The old goats of the industry..well.. they saw this coming and decided about a month or two ago to put out their hand to stop the train. No celebrity "leaked" sex tapes? No husbands and wives webcamming without condoms, no sloppy blow jobs.. dental dams...cream pies,, swallowing, spitting... Do follow http://www.AdultBizLaw.com he is our porn lawyer. Its not as bad as it looks and EVERYONE will carry on biz as usual. filming in Venice, Long Beach, gated comunities.. So there will not be a Great Migration to Vegas... yet. Follow him on twitter: @pornlaw 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 8, 2012 But wait? Isn't the possession of condoms an admission of prostitution? Not THIS again sigh One more time, please google " the Hal Freeman act" aka "California vs Hal Freeman." Hal was an adult movie producer and owner of a chain of adult bookstores that didn't get why it was legal to sell porn ,but illegal to make it. He challanged the court system and won ,thus making porn is LEGAL. This was back in 1988. Bit Banger...we discussed this many times before. the Condom law that was passed this week has to do with the making of porn...and if anything,its a reaction to the syphilis outbreak that began with Mr. Marcus faking his test results. ( for those that have not followed the news story,Mr. Marcus HAS admitted to this in many PRESS interviews...it is easily found public information and thus, I'm not outing him ) .Roughly 30-40 performers were allegedly infected. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 8, 2012 The head of the AIDS Foundation head this ALL.. 100% as he owns HUGE stock in condoms. Do follow http://www.AdultBizLaw.com he is our porn lawyer. Its not as bad as it looks and EVERYONE will carry on biz as usual. filming in Venice, Long Beach, gated comunities.. So there will not be a Great Migration to Vegas... yet. Follow him on twitter: @pornlaw For those of you that want no spin zone info,read www.mikesouth.com. Several articles exist all over the internet,including Xbiz and AVN. Agree with Angela, the industry will just now shoot outside of where the condom laws exist. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2012 No celebrity "leaked" sex tapes? No husbands and wives webcamming without condoms, no sloppy blow jobs.. dental dams...cream pies,, swallowing, spitting... Great post. I'm telling you, my last post was correct. Porn is legal because it's deemed an art rather than prostitution. There are performance artist who get on stage and cut themselves, stick guns up their butts, lace their vulas closed, and NONE of it is legally regulated. So, a performer who gives an epic blowjob is absolutely the same thing, only far better to see in my opinion. It is a performance, it is designed to communicate something, and it's planned out like any acting performance. The government of the US is not allowed to regulate art. This can be defeated! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2012 The head of the AIDS Foundation head this ALL.. 100% as he owns HUGE stock in condoms. He wants -comercials-..called porn. Money drives 100% of that town. There is no "we are concerned" Its $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Driven. Two years ago, I sat in a packed overflowing.. standing room only OSHA/Cal vs Porn hearing. The media, the Ivy League schools, the Extreme Right... Peanuts popcorn and candy apples.. EVERYONE was there.. except the performers. The Right stood and said how retarded and uneducated we are. They had hired little puppets saying we were raped, conned and abused. My only words I stood and yelled with class, "Did you cash the check?" It was just me and Brooke Haven. Everyone was stuck in the Sacs 5th Ave store looking at the next seasons color swatches. .. waaay tooo busy for this little thing we call Freedom of Speech. I left that day feeling like The New Kid on The Block but pondered if I was up for dragging the dead weight of 2,000 prostitutes. So this week on twitter, when fans asked? I said LA can burn.. Im a patriot and forerunner until I see I ran alone. My fav director/ smut running owner even said on twitter.. the disorganization of pornography reserves to be bitched slapped. The old goats of the industry..well.. they saw this coming and decided about a month or two ago to put out their hand to stop the train. No celebrity "leaked" sex tapes? No husbands and wives webcamming without condoms, no sloppy blow jobs.. dental dams...cream pies,, swallowing, spitting... Do follow http://www.AdultBizLaw.com he is our porn lawyer. Its not as bad as it looks and EVERYONE will carry on biz as usual. filming in Venice, Long Beach, gated comunities.. So there will not be a Great Migration to Vegas... yet. Follow him on twitter: @pornlaw I'd have been right there with you had I been in the business back then. Now it is I who feels alone when I yell. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2012 . Porn actors are like performance artists. They can easily claim they do not want to perform with condoms because it's against their artistic ethics, and be 100% valid. Also, producers can claim the audience wants authenticity and so no condoms, etc. It should easily be defeated and since the porn industry has so much cash, I assume they're getting on it as we speak. sigh the porn industry does not make the money it used to, thanks to illegal file sharing/downloads obviously, you haven't followed this bill, the porn industry threw a lot of cash to try and defeat it....obviously that didn't work highly advise you to read www.mikesouth.com and www.avn.com to learn what was tried and whats currently going on...because you are guessing instead of researching 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2012 I'd have been right there with you had I been in the business back then. Now it is I who feels alone when I yell. Ladies, all it takes is one voice ,one idea being stated to be heard. Angela, sorry it was only you who had the balls to state your opinion. And didn't see it as a bother to be there) . Good going. I love it when people start to talk about issues that affect them. The only way to affect change in anything, always starts at the individual level. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2012 sigh the porn industry does not make the money it used to, thanks to illegal file sharing/downloads obviously, you haven't followed this bill, the porn industry threw a lot of cash to try and defeat it....obviously that didn't work highly advise you to read www.mikesouth.com and www.avn.com to learn what was tried and whats currently going on...because you are guessing instead of researching You do not understand. No matter what they tried, it doesn't matter until the law has passed. You can't get a court to rule that a law is unconstitutional if it is not a law. Now, it is a law, so you can go after it. It will be easy to defeat because the is no precedent for regulating behavior in any performance, so there is no basis for the law. Anyone with even moderate knowledge of how the law in the country works knows this. But, you can't really attack a proposed law, only a law. And, it doesn't matter if the public voted on it because voters don't have the right to subvert the Constitution. Freedom beats hopes of public safety because freedom is the supreme public safety. It's just a matter of time and effort. Also, it would behoove everyone in the arts to get behind this in Cali, because if the law stays it creates a dangerous precedent. One behavior is regulated in one art form, and then another will be regulated, and then another, because that is how the law always progresses. A hundred years from now its fingers will be spread well beyond porn. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2012 Ladies, all it takes is one voice ,one idea being stated to be heard. Angela, sorry it was only you who had the balls to state your opinion. And didn't see it as a bother to be there) . Good going. I love it when people start to talk about issues that affect them. The only way to affect change in anything, always starts at the individual level. That's right. I'm not from CO and moved here unaware of the medical marijuana law, which was a lie, and now happy and amazed people pushed for the truth. I have never been into drugs but people like weed not because it's going to cure X disease, but because they like it, like they do alcohol. The new law comes from honesty, and I like it. It's safe to say that BILLIONS of people watch porn, enjoy it, and admire many of the performers. It is no different than the way they admire other performers for their skills with singing and so forth. The public would be outraged if some other art form was regulated. But, how many people will tell the truth and stand up for people in porn? I blame our cowardly male population. It would be a much improved life if people told the truth and showed some courage. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2012 You do not understand. Actually..you don't understand. Curious..did you actually READ the law as written on the CA ballot ??? a simple yes or no please. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 9, 2012 Actually..you don't understand. Curious..did you actually READ the law as written on the CA ballot ??? a simple yes or no please. As I've said, you do not understand. It doesn't matter what the law says if it is against the Constitution. No law exists regulating an artistic performance, that's because it is unconstitutional. No such law can be well written because its intent is wrong from the beginning. I've read the law and as soon as it tells performers what to do, the law invalidates itself. As I've said repeatedly, porn is considered art and that's why the actors aren't arrested for prostitution. So, the existing justification for porn defeats this law which shouldn't have been on the ballot to begin with. It's got a faulty premise. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 10, 2012 As I've said, you do not understand. I've read the law and as soon as it tells performers what to do, the law invalidates itself. As I've said repeatedly, porn is considered art and that's why the actors aren't arrested for prostitution. So, the existing justification for porn defeats this law which shouldn't have been on the ballot to begin with. Look..I was around the biz when the Hal Freeman act was passed that made the making of porn legal,recall when Reb of PGI never had his office open on Fridays to avoid spending weekends in jail. ( prior to the HF act,agents were often arrested for pandering ) (Angela,Reb retired around the time you entered the biz,during the 80s he was bigger than Jim S. ). So you're telling me I don't understand. Sheesh. Look..its simple...Mr. Marcus continued to work after contracting syphilis ,with an altered test. He confessed,industry shut down for awhile, roughly 30-40 people were infected ...and this was big news in LA ...lots of press, mainstream and adult. Along comes this bill...and for obvious reasons..it passed..despite all the money that the Free Speech Coalation and Manwin tossed around to defeat it. Yes, high priced lawyers were hired. Get on your soapbox and yell all you want about it being unconstitutional. Fact is...with the syphilis outbreak being what it was...and its unfortunate timing...its going to be very very difficult to convince any lawmaker to overturn this bill. Mr. Marcus et al are now the poster boys as to why a health regulation is needed. Please get that through your head. That said, if you pay any attention to the adult industry news, you would have heard by now that filming is being moved out of LA county. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
