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    13 hours ago, FuriousWeasel said:

    Those that just say "It was slavery and that's it!" are simply so incomplete as to just be wrong.  There are thousands of books covering the many reasons for the civil war.  This goes back hundreds of years, issues like Jeffersonians, economic destruction in northern factories vs southern plantations, all sorts of issues.  Jo you're right, there were multiple reasons.  And why it's treated as an afterthought is simple reactionary politics.  If you ask a thoughtful person the causes of the Civil War, he might say something like 50% slavery, 25% this, 20% that, 5% something else.  Then as that person gets attacked by people saying "No it's 100% slavery", simple human nature is going to make them emphasize the other parts more and more until slavery angle is minimized.

    1/4 my family fought for the north, 1/4 for the south.  One of my ancestors was in a northern POW camp and barely survived.  None of the southern part of the family had slaves, they were way too poor.  

    I posted it early. It's written into the first paragraph of each rebel state's declaration of independence. Saying it was about 'so much more' is rooted in the revisionist history that became popular around 1890. The rebel states literally spelled it out for us. It always amazes me that people are so dedicated to preconceived beliefs they will refuse to see the truth placed plainly in front of them. 

    Those 25 this 20 that, they all relate back to the use of slaves. That's why it's 100% slaves. 

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    15 hours ago, Yorick said:

    Bella is correct.  She knows her history.

    We call it the "Civil War" but a civil war is a war between two factions for the control of the government.

    A better name for this struggle would be "The war for Southern Independence."

    Slavery was dying as a successful economic model.  Highly unlikely it would have made it to 20th century in an independant South.  

    And for the record....the emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the southern rebelling states.  Slaves held in Northern states remained the property of their owners until freed by constitutional amendment after the war. Also, Lincoln believed the solution to the slave problem was to ship them back to Africa.  The North is hardly the angel you paint them to be.

    Slavery is wrong....whether practiced by tribe conquering tribe, the english, nottherners or southerners, or those who are STILL practicing it today.

     

    Between thinking it was racists who made the 'stars and bars' a hate symbol and thinking the North started the war, I'd say she doesn't know her history, and your knowledge seems suspect at this point as well. Slavery is wrong. Know what else is wrong? Waving around the flag of people who killed Americans in support of slavery. 

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  5. Posted

    1 minute ago, Bella Marie said:

    "Southerners, wrote the tariff laws in the 1830s, 1840s, and 1850s, and kept reducing rates so that the 1857 rates were the lowest since 1816. The Whigs and Republicans complained because they favored high tariffs to stimulate industrial growth, and Republicans called for an increase in tariffs in the 1860 election. The increases were only enacted in 1861 after Southerners resigned their seats in Congress.[36][37] The tariff issue was and is sometimes cited–long after the war–by Lost Cause historians and neo-Confederate apologists. In 1860–61 none of the groups that proposed compromises to head off secession raised the tariff issue.[38]Pamphleteers North and South rarely mentioned the tariff,[39] and when some did, for instance, Matthew Fontaine Maury[40] and John Lothrop Motley,[41] they were generally writing for a foreign audience."

    yes the south used slaves to keep rates low....slavery isn't right but don't we still have it today?.... People that work minimum wage jobs are slaves... Think about it .....they have to work 3 jobs in order to survive in this world....slavery has nothing to do with skin color... In the medieval times if you weren't from a           " noble"  family you were a slave.... 

    I mean, it's right in the first paragraph of each secessionist state's declaration of independence. 

    " The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic. "

     

    That's Georgia's. Wanna read more? Have a peek. It wasn't tariffs. It was slaves. They spelled it out for us and everything. 

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  6. Posted

    Just now, Bella Marie said:

    Actually the confederate was trying to create its own country.... It wasn't based on keeping slavery alive...they want  to be independent...racist people turned the flag into that for their own sick agendas....like the swaztic Nazi symbol.... History is one of my favorite subjects....

    The flag started out as the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. That army was raised specifically to kill American soldiers in order to ensure slavery continued as an institution. They wanted to be independent once Lincoln was elected because he had a favorable view of abolition. Racist people didn't contort the meaning of the flag, the revisionist revival circa 1890 attempted to portray it a 'southern pride'. They wrote glowing pieces about how 'noble' Robert Lee was, erected statues all over the south (once all the Jim Crow laws had successfully removed all those pesky non-whites from office). Those statues are the same ones folks are fighting over now in Virginia. The war wasn't for independence, it was for slavery. Those 'noble' confederates set out to kill American soldiers. They get no love from me. 

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  8. Posted

    3 hours ago, ilovewomen said:

    Outing her was a very despicable thing to do.  He should have to pay her immediately.

    You never, ever out someone for any reason....client or provider alike.

    I'd like to see him lose his law license.  His comments about her show a complete disrespect for her and other ladies in this business as well as a disdain for people he feels who are beneath him..which I think he believes everyone is beneath him.

     

     

    He did. 3 year suspension. Got fired too. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. 

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  10. Posted

    17 minutes ago, BadBoy said:

    Hey, your instincts are right - he was fishing to find out if he was numero uno that day which, whether we admit or speak of it, we all wonder.  You should have a prepared answer, since sooner or later some guys are going to hint or ask, so have some fun: Answer - "Funny you should ask, you're my only visitor today, and boy, that sure is a good thing - you just plumb wore me out with that big old dick of yours, you are such a man!  I think I'm going to have to take a cold shower just to be able to walk again."

    Or, if he asks ahead of time:  "Funny you should ask, you're my only visitor today, and boy, that sure is a good thing - I think you look like the kind of guy who is going to wear me out with that big old dick of yours, you are such a man!  I think I'm going to have to take a cold shower later just to be able to walk again."

    B)

    This is a great answer. Also says 'I have no cash on me.' 

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  11. Posted

    5 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

    What's wrong with a polite, "Sorry, that exceeds my budget. Thank you."  End of conversation. 

    Nothing's wrong with that. Also, plan for the highest price you saw. Be happy when you show up and it's lower. 

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  13. Posted

    It's gonna need more than just girls who like girls. They need to like the specific girls in the room. I'd suggest starting with a provider who offers doubles and asking if she has a 3rd to invite. 

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  14. Posted

    13 minutes ago, MyraGold said:

    I don't know if I have been getting fake references, but lately I have noticed more unknown emailers pasting reference info in the email. It sketches me out because I just started seeing this. I am also probably paranoid but I have to prioritize being safe!

    Lot of girls want that on first contact to prove you're serious. Your ad doesn't say it specifically. But I can see where someone would expect that to be required. 

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  15. Posted

    38 minutes ago, VicKosslovich said:

    But wait....  anyone can suddenly decide to get violent.  I could get an ok today and get violent tomorrow.   This whole idea that P411 ok's get stale or expire just makes no sense to me.  If you have 40 ok's (as in your example) you have 40 references.  40 ladies who have essentially said, "yes he is safe to see."   Suggesting that if you haven''t seen a provider in 6 months, or gotten an ok in 6 months somehow makes the gent more inclined to be violent or abusive just makes no sense.  

    Personally doubt that I'm so memorable that providers remember me even 30 days later, much less 6 months.   It sounds like you want to penalize guys who don't see providers often.   

    Some ladies use the ok as a complete reference. Some don't. 6 months is arbitrary. But it's what they're comfortable with. I'll go ahead and bet if you have 40 oks, even 6 months old, you're gonna find someone who'll see you. 

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  17. Posted

    Maybe not kosher to talk about, but I'm rarely asked for references. Few times I have been asked I've been booked for 'now' with no window to check em. So dudes offering fake ones probably getting away with it more often than not. 

    I've always got my references handy. Big fan of the 'ok' system so I ain't gotta track down girls who might be taking a break. But there's an 'on paper' way this  hobby is supposed to work. Rarely matches reality. Good on ya for checking, but you're in a shrinking minority. 

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  19. Posted

    On 7/22/2017 at 0:41 PM, Bella Marie said:

    Not if the gentlemen request an OK...

    I will give references on TOB with 1 visit if client asks for one via PM...💋💋💋💋

    Maybe switch over to that being your version of a reference? 

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  20. Posted

    9 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

    Still waiting on someone to explain why fake names are safer. There's a lot of ignoring going on. It's not just about it being a deterrent. Real world info doesn't change. It's easier to track and it easier and less humiliating than handing over phony names in case of emergency.

    There is nothing that keeps us safe about references either. An OK is one prov

    Nah. Already explained my points. You either get it or you don't by now. Not gonna do this 5 year old 'but why but why' stuff. Have a nice day. 

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  21. Posted

    12 hours ago, Admiral C said:

    While jj's presentation could use a lot more finesse, the message is essentially correct.This issue becomes a "client versus provider" argument with too much emotion that cancels logic. By all means, ask for ID if it makes you feel safer, but that FEEL is all there is. If a client intends to beat, cut, rape, rob, kill, counterfeit a provider, getting and flashing a fake ID is childs play. A guy knows where to get good counterfeit money, but can't get a fake ID?  Indeed, if you want to talk about serial killers, they might well have a fake ID, but they might also have no problem showing you the real thing since you won't be telling anyone what it said. Suppose a client decides to rape, beat, and rob a provider but she has seen his RWI . She now has the power to put him away 30 to life. Be in his best interest to kill her. Checking ID is only a deterrent to people who are not going to do anything anyway. It does not bother me at all if ladies ask for ID's and I might, or might not show mine depending on the overall situation and feel. However, it DOES bother me that ladies may have a false sense of security in that action. 

    To make it work as a deadman switch, she's gotta save the info some place a 3rd party can access it easily. 

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  23. Posted

    On 7/21/2017 at 9:12 PM, Lucy Kitten said:

    Yeah but with an ID the police have a suspect aren't looking for Harry Hobbiest. Make sense? Again you don't get why its useful and its not for you anyways. So who You are you to tell me what works better? You're not seeing clients so how do you know what keeps us safe and what doesn't? You don't so stop pretending that you do.

    Ain't a doctor. I know not to drink bleach. Suppose you'd wonder who I am to tell folks not to drink bleach, huh? It's elitist bullshit. You're letting your desperate need to be right on the internet blind you. I get it though. Seen plenty of your posts. You're pro-provider, but you define that as necessarily anti-client. Shame, too. You could be a powerful voice for improvement. Problem with self-proclaimed experts is a failure to intake information. You read every client post looking for the flaw, not the message. Gotta break out of that echo chamber. You wanna check IDs? Cool. Run your business how you see fit. Stop telling folks it keeps them safe though. It don't. 

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  24. Posted

    7 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

    It's not a myth. When guys provide information that is real it's absolutely safer. Having and ID for investigators to look for is one of the reasons it provides safety. Unless this is what you do for a living your perspective will be different. Where is the safety in anonymity? There isn't any. There is zero incentive for people to behave when the hide behind false identities. You as a client are more worried about getting outed and I as a provider am more worried about police being able to identify suspects if need be. When you preach anonymity that's the true complacency, that's asking people to rely on third party verification and second hand truths instead of factual information. It's factual that every client that has have ever shorted me or taken advantage of me used a "hobby name" and every client that has happily provided real world information often without even being asked has never shorted me or misbehaved. So this myth isn't really a myth. And again until you're on the other side how do you know? You obviously don't understand why the information is important so you shouldn't speak in absolutes. Relying on real information is not ever complacency. Allowing clients to hide behind fake info is far more dangerous than anyone would really care to admit because it hurts the systems in place. I get it. But I wasn't actually preaching anything it was just an opportunity for you to discredit a very popular and very helpful screening method.

    All I was really saying though is that we should really stop trying to hush people when they are making valid complaints about things that involve their safety and it should never be called whining. 

    It is a myth. The kinda guy that wants to hurt a provider ain't gonna have any qualms about producing a fake ID. That don't help ladies. AT ALL. It makes them think they're 'safe' cause they got a picture of a driver license. That's a false security. It ain't nothing but a deadman switch. Makes girls complacent. Gonna do more harm than good in the long run. What's it matter to a dead girl if someone's chasing a murderer? She's still dead. 

    Safe will be when it's legal. Til then, check references. Read up on their forum posts. Get some self defense stuff nearby. But don't think any ol DL is gonna keep you safe. It ain't nothing. 

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  25. Posted

    17 hours ago, Kandi Apple said:

    This happens quite often and I have no problem calling the gentleman and telling them "hey I am not a personal secretary" . Please refrain from using me as a reference as I have gave plenty to you and you can use a lady that you met recently.

    I give references but as long as they are a consistent client will I give repeated references. This keeps the reference recent.

    If I have not seen a gentleman in over a year I am honest about the date when we met to the inquiring lady. 

    A response is always a good thing weather it is good or bad, recent or old, the lady appreciates the fact that there is a response.

    For me I like the meeting to be with 6 or 8 months of the reference request.

    I'm digging the OK system here. Like P411's. You can give me an ok, then who I see after won't need to bother you. Works well all around. Some girls might want to dig deeper and call you. That's cool. But it's not gonna be all of them. Or even most. 

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