MelindaMadison

My views went down to a quarter of my profile views from when the ad board was up..so was the requests. also At a disadvantage...whereas many provider could throw out an arbitrary daily P411 Special to members (vs just changing their profile to always allowing a p411 special) ..when it is slow or due to a cancellation is no longer there...nor is detailed availability to openings/availability. Total bummer for both provider and client. On an advantage..it is a Super smart and Brilliant business move! Businesses have to make $. and on top of the new law headaches......the visiting ads for providers have gone from 5 points to 10 points to 20 points ($) AND the loss of any real time advertising there..TOTALLY supports the expansion (notice the new cities) on EscortBoards...where providers will have to pay$ to advertise where they lost exposure on P411. Providers can't use the ad boards..they now have to pay $ for increased exposure ads..(which are NOT cheap) AND Escort Boards. This all was supported by the months and months of "don't give providers your info" "protect your info" marketing on the boards here to make providers and clients reliant on P411 alluding that you cannot hobby safely without the board. Overall, yes..it was necessary due to the new law...but under it all..it is a brilliant move for the business to make more $. P411 is not a charity...it's a business and what happens happens. Providers will have to be more creative on how to get the word out..or spend Much more money to... Clients won't have access to real time or P411 arbitrary discounts by providers, but perhaps have to establish better provider relationships to receive that in the future.

this is why the higher end ladies never use to use Phones for initial booking/booking/listed on websites...phones and the ability to text/call/trace a number to an escort... has Never been a good thing. Sometimes not having something so "immediate" can be a safer and better choice. Phones/text was the worst thing to happen in the last decade for confidentiality/discretion.

it's stronghold is primarily midwest /Chicago. it costs $ to join..even for providers..and although has been around for super long ..is not used widely out here...

Each Provider has a Calendar on their P411 profile. Check that. Prebook..send an appt request with notes on not only when you wish to meet..but other options to meet if the first choice does not work out. and all will be fine.

That is why the streets (and streetwalking) were so popular (and dangerous) in the past... You can't take that mentality into escorting situations without getting the same risk. Either you upgrade to a higher level of safety through modifying your expectations and actions...or you keep the "right here, right now, volume" mentality and keep the risks.

Gents: Stick with reputable proven companions who screen fully and do not work "volume" . Seriously..if she is only seeing one friend a day in a hotel..it doesn't Matter whether it is a hotel or anywhere else...3-4 friends a day...draws red flags. Providers: Know who is walking thru your door...don't draw attention to yourself by operating a revolving door. it's not that hard people... smh stings will always happen..and always get the "i want an appt right now and don't want to be screened" crowd every time. You have to be an idiot to be low hanging fruit.

This leaves me torn.... If a guy is not smart enough to see a Legit, reputable and proven companion that is truly doing this of her free will....and walks into a sting (meaning that he did not screen for a real provider on HIS end)..then how can he guarantee that he is NOT walking into a pimped or trafficked situation. These kind of guys (that just walk into the door of just ANYONE who advertises..without being discerning in any way...can very well be adding to the dark side of providing (those that have little choice or being forced to) ...which i agree is MUCH less than LE or the media would have us think that happens...but is present out there sadly. If you are not smart enough to play ethically ...and with true companions who make this choice of free will.. well..you deserve what you get.

"I've always thought it would be nice to spend time with someone I could develop a real friendship with. Probably too soon to say for sure, but it feels like I may have found that!" Sounds like the $400 provider dodged a bullet there! Guy comes on public boards complaining about rates- shows an over-emotional side..even though she acted professional in her response to him......admits to looking for beyond the escort/client relationship..." a real friendship"... Sounds like she sensed that ...politely declined to give a discount on a first time inquiry/non-client/non-regular...., sensing the "crazy"...

If one thinks women are crazy...try telling a grown man "No".

Easy. Don't complicate it . You are either booking a "Massage" session or a "Companionship" session (no lewd acronyms needed to make either party uncomfortable- that's mainly a concern when a lady has not clue who you are and wants to avoid any convo that may be entrapment towards sexual services.)

with a real world job, family often around and knowledge that often having a provider phone brings on the headaches attached to it.. I like: 1. Guy introduces self and gets screened first (that way i know i am not on the phone with someone meaning harm, time wasting nor entrapment-nothing like talking to the local PD and getting more on their radar) 2. I set up brief phone call with him prior to meeting for comfort level. (at this point- i know who i am talking to and that he is sincere in meeting if that call goes well) **there's too many wishy washy guys along with the game players that just want to spend time chatting with an escort on the phone vs the occasional sweet guy mixed in to not get frustrated... so Screen first-Show a Sincere Committed desire to Meet "not phone shop", and THEN...almost all reasonable providers that i know of..will want to speak via phone. IT's the TIMING of WHEN that Phone call happens that seems to differ. Again, my preference is when i know i am speaking safely to a legit client committed to see me and walk thru my door if that convo does not have red flags.

Not Discreet

smart providers are going to know who is walking thru their door...and make sure their lives do not intersect professionally or personally with that client...both prior to seeing them and after seeing them... you should not be placed in a position to ask...and any questions about a providers personal life is likely to scare her..and end up in a failed appt booking attempt (they deal with too many stalker/fan/creepy types already..so asking the smaem questions as those types is a no go..no matter what your intention) so what you are referring to is an NON-Issue if they are screening you fully. (doesn't work if you play the crappy anonymous game however..THAT's when the problems tend to happen..for both parties...and why the streets had a big appeal to many in the past..prior to that being brought to the internet escorting side. if you take risks..you take risks. think about it.

on my screening form, I always asked about medical conditions...as it gives me a choice if i want to take a chance with certain medical issues (pacemakers, epilepsy etc.) In any emergency, 911 is my go to. Discretion takes a back seat to someone's life. Any gent with known issues, plays at their own risk and needs to take responsibility for their own health and disclose prior to playtime.

Dead on. Even better...make the rate question not the First question out of your mouth..(many do..ughgh) "you avail? how much?" NO send her your verification/P411 info/references..up front. What makes providers squeamish about discussing rates is not rates...but wondering if you are LE trying to put something in writing or voice to entrap them...so dispel that issue right away with screening in your intro. Guys want specials..They Don't want fluctuating rates: Damn if you do, damn if you don't... too many advertising boards..to change.. a couple of members came up with good ways to tackle "I saw your ad today on TOB at $300 for your time, correct? hate to get it wrong. " stupid simple way to deal with it..

If a guy dresses sloppily...then I am gonna wonder if he wiped his ass sloppily also. Attention to detail, care and pride in how ones appearance is..speaks volumes.

False. One can get herpes simplex just as easily from oral and DATY as from FS. Last thing anyone needs is a guy with a cold sore in his mouth going down for DATY..which then starts the cycle. Mis information and " it won't happen to me cause I'm clean and only see legit providers..and " it's a risk I take" " I've been monger ing for 20'yrs and haven't" " I get checked out twice a year" ....really only helps spread the risk and STDs. It's an industry with multiple sex partners, and loaded with risk takers and misinformation. Plan and cover up,accordingly.

Playing games in this industry ...definately a bad move. Professionals don't play games.

I'd be heartbroken to think that if it was my daughter who went to school for a year to become a legit licensed therapist, or with aspirations to expand education to physical therapy...would have to deal with someone like this...coming into her office bucking for a HJ or BJ. Most legit therapists usually don't have to deal with that kind of guy over once or twice in a multi year career, so your " 7 out of 10" brag sounds a bit suspect. Leave the therapeutic therapists alone, go to providers who advertise what you want. Super creepy and not cool what you seem to be proud of doing.

There are just some things , that unless there was full legality to this ...that should never be attached in writing to a providers profile ..that resembles Anything like a menu. The disclaimer " enjoyed in private" or " fantasy reviews" clearly mean crap in court when it has been used against providers in the past. It's a smart move by p411 ...

TRUE. And adding phones and texts to the mix of escorting was the worst thing ever. One method of communication, that can be veiled away....is still risky..all this phone, texts, however " convenient" is simply like the modern replacement of monger ing the streets... " hey Baby, you available?" You play risky, you deal with the consequences .. It's almost laughable with how far some guys will go to " hide" hobby phones etc etc. Women tend to know, sometimes they care, sometimes they don't and it's a welcome relief not to have to deal with their guy's floundering in bed...

If you don't know the person you are letting in your door ..you can't tactfully and discreetly stay away from the ones you know, work with, related to ( don't laugh, I know a lady who peeked out the door who worked for an agency and it was her brother...she was quite distressed) ..or worst yet, friends with your wife.. Those who like to do this anonymously...simply take your chances..

Then your version of " well reviewed" is scewed. Reputable is different than simply "'lots of reviews" if you make poor choices, don't expect for real reputable providers to jump thru hoops or compromise their safety ... This is the stupidest post I've read in a long time..

This is the Legal Eagle's FIFTH Time on this board he has posted asking about her and seeking information since she retired ... Once is curiousity... Again and again, when she clearly left for a reason..is stalky. It's time for him to drop it and stop seeking back channel information. If she wanted to be found by him, she would have noticed and responded to his OTHER FOUR posts seeking her out. Enough is enough. He may be a " nice guy" to some..but we don't know their story...nor her story.. Let her live her life without seeking her out. She is a civilian now. Scary that others feel providers once retired are still fair game for " good guys"

So if a person posts a lot....they are deemed " safe " to inquire and possibly get info on a retired provider? Seriously...THAT mentality..is scary. And liable to get someone hurt. Gents demand privacy and care..please respect that for the ladies also..esp in this situation. You don't know any backstory or truly don't know who is posting behind an anonymous hooker/john board... Reality Check People.