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at least there was a cover involved, right?

Becoming ever more popular ad type on STG. I can probably list at least 50 places that sound like fun for a "date", but "car" is NOT on the list.

All answers well and good, but the question as I understood it was which is safer. Safer from what? if LEO is the fear then outcall is much safer for the guy (and a guy is asking so ....). Never heard of a police sting offering outcall, especially across jurisdictional lines in my case. Or safer from SO or girlfriend finding some tiny trace and morphing into Sherlock Holmes mode? Or safer from scammers wanting to rob you either immediately or just casing the joint. Much more an issue with outcall to your home. Everyone's situation is a bit different. For safety, comfort and convenience outcall is my strong preference. But I live alone and am pretty picky about who I invite. Bringing us to a key point - research is your friend, only established reputable ladies at least till you have been around the block a few times and be picky about who you see. Good luck.

Good grief the never ending argument of old men although one sounds distinctly gen X. For starters the reliability ratings from Consumer Reports and J D Power mysteriously vary completely. CR uses 22 years of history to predict reliability. Nothing could go wrong there or be artificially behind the curve on reality. (and the ultimate source of what you link/quote) If one considers J D Power they list Chevy and Buick in top 5 - last I knew also union brands. I do not believe either CR or JD. Just because two things are true at the same time does NOT mean either caused the other. Lastly making your insulting claims based upon popularity or prevalence of unions - same could be argued relative to Ford. Best selling vehicle period and best selling truck for 40 years. Yes, it is apparent you hate unions. Great, but before slandering all union employees as "slugs" etc. you really should learn even minimal history as to why there are unions to begin with. Enough facts for one night, carry on but there has to be something more fun and productive. Oh, pull a Columbo, one more thing - the National Labor Relations Board has found Starbucks in violation of labor law and is calling for forced reopening of 23 outlets that were closed solely because of a vote to unionize, including one in Springs. And back pay for all employees. It goes to court shortly.

Well they could have left up the one with pics. No matter - Happy Holidays all. What kind of cookies? Now I am hungry for what I haven't made in years. hmmmmm

You are welcome. Of course I was reminded that Dave Mason's 1974 self titled album is one of my favorite mid 70's albums. Includes perhaps my all time favorite cover of the iconic Dylan tune below and a bunch of very good songs. A couple for grins:

Fall and bump your head? You make sense and are correct for once!

And the horse you rode in on troll boy - the link you posted does not work. And no, I am not going to go searching for something you are not capable of posting a valid link for. Trying to align with? Who could tell with the usual incoherent stream of jumbled thoughts?

your link is like your mind ................ broken, can't be reached. given the terms in it, I am sure it is all bullshit anyway

Whoopie for your claim that unions ,must be "slug" infested if the number of union members is shrinking. Like saying Kia sells more cars than BMW so they must be superior. Explain why you want to return to the Robber Baron days (doubt you have a clue what that even means) or some well thought out and brilliant reason for why being union free would not take us right back.

So you would support a return to the Robber Baron era? Sparkey was correct - you are a dick, and not in a good way.

Thank you, Sparkey! You as well!

Not to interrupt and return to original topic but: The reason we don't seem to much need unions these days is because we have unions. If we did not have unions we would still be living the shortened lives of workers under the Robber Barons of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Anyone snorting and sniffing about "union slugs" needs to learn even minimal history. The above said, not all unions are created equal. I have seen, indeed worked for organization with a totally irrelevant and worthless union (never a member - engineers not welcome). But there are others that are much more in keeping with Sparky's description. Although the "no cost to employee" thing ignores union dues taken out of pay check which can be substantial. I would also note that the union retirement plans are only golden and reliable long as the fund remains solvent. Many have gone bankrupt and benefits whacked or minimized. No one should put all retirement eggs in one basket no matter what. Best advice I ever heard was from a very successful client of the consulting firm I was working for at the time. I doubt he originated the advice but he was the first one to get my attention and clearly lay out the wisdom in it. What he told me was "always pay yourself first." Specifically whatever amount your budget and expense situation will allow even if it is a small amount earlier in career the better identify an amount to go to savings every month, no matter what. Literally comes out before anything else. Always pay yourself and do it first. Increase the amount as you can. Start early - in 20's - make wise investments (no high risk bs.) and stick to it and your retirement will be golden. Don't do it and depend solely on promised pensions and social security etc. - good luck with that.

When one wants an intelligent conversation, but all he gets is troll boy and a lame meme. Like wanting steak, but alas the same old cold soggy fries and warm beer. BTW Naruto is an anime character and Toto is a band but ........... guess things really are that jumbled in that little brain.

I have ALWAYS scheduled at least a couple days ahead of time if not a week or two and have never cancelled let alone NCNS. I understand the theory and it may well account for some but I do not think the majority. As usual I reserve the right to be totally full of shit. If anything I have seen an increase in the "only call when you are ready" ads. And sorry to the OP who I am sure meant well - it has NOTHING to do with rates - nor does this post. My opinion? Apparently way different than others. I believe the biggest (NOT only) factor is the dramatic increase in travelling ladies who post ads stating they are here only 2 to 4 days. When last I looked at Tryst a quarter to a third of the ads for Springs were traveling ladies. There is a significant percentage of guys that seem obsessed with seeing said traveling ladies (grass is greener) when they are passing through, especially the see as many as you can only one time each crowd. (For clarity, no issue with that approach, whatever flips the switch, not my thing). If one of those guys has a scheduled appointment with a local on the only day he can schedule with a visitor he has had his eye on, guess who gets NCNS? Regardless of the reason NCNS shows a total lack of respect, is a dick head move, and is totally unacceptable for EITHER side of the transaction. That is the important part, regardless of the many potential causes. Work, wives, life can all get in the way but it takes seconds to cancel an appointment, just do it with at least 24 hour notice - NCNS is total bullshit.

Someone has mistaken TOB for the Thrifty Nickel

Every one I tried works fine. May be evolving - try again.

Here I thought for some reason you were gone before this thread. Ever the optimist. Oh well, the paper plates, napkins and party favors will come in handy for something else.

Several things to keep in mind here. First off Hobby Hobbit is simply a troll and a rather nasty one at that who delights in irritating the few ladies that still contribute here on the forum any more with an apparent intent to drive them away as well. Pay him no mind is the best advice possible. That said and out of the way, until you know what you are doing and can recognize scammers and rip offs stick to reputable ladies - ones with a long term presence, reviews, reputation etc. Search their photos, phone number etc. and see how long they have been working. The last thing they are going to want to do is rip off clients and scam anyone because they will destroy their business very quickly doing so. MOST ladies fitting that description will ask for real world screening information. Why? Because guys are less likely to scam them, rob from them, beat them up and worse if they know she has real world information. And in Colorado there is a thing called the Safe Reporting law. Escorts can - and should - report certain crimes - assault, stalking, rape - to police WITHOUT police being able to charge THEM for soliciting. But real name and real information is necessary to report someone. Unlike the ladies you and the rest of the guys here had to provide NO information whatsoever to become a member, the only way for a lady to have access to the info is via screening. Ladies on the other hand have to provide real world information to post and advertise here and on most other reputable sites. And need references as well. That info usually includes real name, driver license or other government issued ID, verification of ad photos, and more. Sites that accept credit card payments for ads insist that names and information match up. If anything too over the top illegal is committed any of these sites can and will cough up a lady's real ID info to LE in a heartbeat. But most can't and won't with guys because they do not collect that info on guys. Until you know what you are doing stick to reputable sites - TOB, Tryst, Private Delights, P411, Eros, TER and Slixa. If the site you are looking at "verifies" escorts stick to the verified ones - they have had to provide a lot of info to be verified. Stay far far away from USA Sex guide, Escort Alligator, Skip the Games (STG OK once you know very well what you are doing) where literally anyone can post. Lots of scammers and rip offs and the occasional sting by LE. Use search functions here or at other reputable sites to look for ladies that say "newbie friendly" as they are not going to ask a newbie (you) for references. But they WILL ask in all likelihood for real name, place of employment etc. If you are not willing to provide that type of info and have no references well, you are going to be limited to the sites I told you to avoid. If a lady is not concerned about her own safety and does not screen carefully what would make you think she has ANY concern for your safety? Ironically by trying to protect yourself by refusing to provide real world info you will end up having to deal with much more risky ladies that actually do represent a threat. A lady who is going to get you to prepay or pay a deposit with NO intention of actually seeing you is not going to ask for personal info - why would she? Again, deposits to a reputable lady is one thing, to an unknown on a shaky site - might as well set a couple hundreds on fire and call it a day. Common sense applies - being respectful and polite goes a long, long way. Trying to get out of screening, whining, giving fake info or haggling over rates usually hits a brick wall with reputable ladies. If you travel a lot or are going to play in a large city like Denver it is probably worth checking into a paid membership verification site like Preferred411. In a smaller market like Springs and do not travel much it is a total waste. A simple Duck search for something along the lines of "how to hire an escort" will pull up a considerable amount of actually useful how to's. Ironically even though a fair amount of rip offs and scammers frequent STG they actually have a lot of good info on their site for avoiding scammers, etc. Ironic I know. Good luck, take your time, start with very reputable ladies and enjoy. Post on forum from time to time and when guys here know you a bit private messages to guys who have similar tastes and who have reviewed a lady that caught your eye is a very valuable resource also. But most will ignore questions from a newbie. Or do what Hobbit tells you - provide no real info to anyone, be insistent and demanding, preferably demeaning also and you will find yourself playing mainly with scammers and rip offs or newbies that do not know what the hell they are doing either which is also a danger.

The only way to go: The turkey, the turkey. Happy Thanksgiving. Say hi to those who may be less fortunate or alone please.

How about a great version of a classic from the band Traffic. Dave Mason was a founding member. Great band - Mason, Stevie Winwood, Jim Capaldi. I have been a fan of Mason through all the years. Joe plays a little guitar also.

Personal opinion - horrible idea. Unless wanting to discourage reviews altogether. How exactly is the opinion of the guy (or gal) that wasn't there more enlightening and informative than the guy that was? What "hobby board" allows that btw? Only one I can think of - definite bottom of barrel low rent district.

Spare yourself the trauma of dealing with normal people, stay home and do yourself. We will all be happier that way.

A few observations relative to the OP and the original post and ensuing posts. So I take it you are suggesting also that the ladies never ever post ads with any portion of their face showing so as not to fall victim to this nefarious facial recognition software also, or is it just guys that should avoid sharing facial details? Perhaps OP could clarify his position on this. Happily. Duhhh...what a stupid thought this is. if they are to attract and keep a clientele, providers are well-advised to show their face, body...everything we like to see, and not see, and from the right angle so as to show what THEY have in store, or not. Seems you don't know, the former is called advertising, the latter false. In this context, guys solicit, peruse ads for what they like, and have no reason to advertise anything, but their Benjamins. I mean, do you send your picture to the Safeway cashier? Don't answer that. Since we're on the subject, why is it so many providers hide their face and other body parts? Could it be they don't want to be known for what they do? So a lady protecting her real life identity is a stupid thought in your opinion but vital for a john to the point of expecting ladies not to screen. Thanks for confirming what a shallow jackass you are. References are only as good as the one giving them and may reflect one visit and one visit only. Violent psychos have been known to have references, including right here in River City. Ladies have been known to be afraid NOT to give references to the truly dangerous psychos. Something about self preservation. Yaaawn. And? Is it all hobbyists you lack the intellect to understand are psychos, or is that just me? Sure you'll choose the latter because you're so smart, the only thing you know about me is how witty, glib, inspired, insert passive-aggressive insult here I'm not. No, dumb ass, unlike you I am smart enough to know the majority of johns are NOT psychos and in fact many are great guys and mentally stable. Foreign concept to you obviously. What a sad little world you live in. But if you truly think all are psychos - thanks for confirming YOU are. Should the great prevalence of psychos not suggest a much greater need to screen real world info? Because of the frequency and severity of escorts being assaulted, beaten, robbed, stalked and sometimes killed the state legislature approved the safe reporting law so that escorts can report these felony crimes committed by the all too common bad actors. BUT the only way that works is if the lady has REAL identification. Reporting a bad actor with only his TOB handle (or any other site that does NOT verify male members with real ID info) will go nowhere and is not actionable by LE. Again, not to diminish the dangers within but, was it Fishin Dude that liked to suggest slot car racing as an alternative? There's always fast food! For some mysterious reason there is no safe reporting law for johns - perhaps because the dangers are not remotely similar? Or maybe because dead johns (men) are even less important than dead providers? Or perhaps because the reverse RARELY happens as opposed to the threat to ladies happening often. I can imagine your fear of being attacked by a 5'-2" 110 lb lady. The horror!! Who would think such an internet tough guy would be so afraid of little ladies? By your logic invoking a well liked now gone dude you should take up stamp collecting as your hobby. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_men True story. A provider whose ass reeked of pure shit pulled a machete out when her would be client asked for his money back. Who's he going to tell? Happens all the time, if you're looking. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pimp+robs+john&ia=web If you fear a wife finding out you are cheating on her and the resulting drama, perhaps you should not be cheating on her. Just a thought. Reputation - what afraid to admit you see escorts? Perhaps you shouldn't do things you are ashamed of. I'd bet you're triple vaxxed and boosted, for grandma of course! Oh, how we love virtue signaling, don't we? Blow it out your ass. With estimates ranging anywhere from 50% - 90%, the truth is most if not the majority of hobbyists are in committed relationships. Call it self-preservation, the fear of hurting someone they love, whatever. That they are scared to death of being discovered is why police use tactics that include printing successful stings in the newspaper, to deter criminal activity. Of course, that leaves the very small percentage of hobbyists with nothing to lose, perhaps because of existentialism, or that they have no other way of experiencing the scent of a woman, were it not for their hard earned cash. These are simps, and you've proven to be, every bit of that. Simple observation - if something presents great risk to you, why do it? And cheaters ALWAYS have another option - it is called divorce. Or be honest and inform spouse what you are doing and why - like many here have. Cheating is NOT a necessity of life. Simple facts, no virtue signaling. Lose a license? What kind? Yes, I am quite aware one COULD lose a professional license (seriously doubt OP has one) for any felony conviction, but seeing an escort is not a felony. Is this where you receive proof of licensing or just get over yourself? You brought it up dumb ass. Simply asking WHAT kind of license you have that you could possibly lose over frequenting an escort and getting caught. BTW trying to attack someone through vax status and his long dead grandma is pretty low even for the Habit. But since you brought it up - I agree for you - please by all means do NOT get vaccinated against anything - I support your decision whole heartedly, you shouldn't. In the interest of more productive threads and better participation could OP PLEASE refrain from attempting to be witty and glib because he is neither and it just makes reading his posts EXTREMELY difficult to decipher. Instead of taking so much time to share such adulation how about scroll or block? No one, least of all the Hobbit, gives a shit what you "think", but I do like to take time to dance circles around your infinite wisdom, old wise one. Not the first one, in this thread alone, to note that your rants are extremely tedious to translate simply because you THINK you are demonstrating your brilliance and writing acumen. If a lady does not care about her safety (rigorous screening etc. ) she sure as hell does not care about mine. Major red flag. Yaaawn. And? No one but the ladies, and you, said any of this. So dispute it with logic or facts, dumb ass. Reality - Many guys know this just as I do. Constantly trying to pick shit with a handful of ladies you do not like so as to be able to insult and belittle them is really getting old. Find another hobby for your limited talents. There's that scroll or block again! And don't start none, won't be none. Put asinine stuff out there in public and it will get challenged in public for the benefit of those reading that know very little and are just starting who MIGHT be naive enough to actually think you have a clue of what you are talking about. As stated dozens of times here - some by me, many by others - everyone needs to establish their own level of risk/reward based upon their own circumstances, what they may stand to lose, etc. If the other party has needs in that regard that do not mesh with yours, simply move on without whining. Trying to brow beat ladies into not availing themselves of available simple screening methods that are both effective in avoiding dangerous assholes but also in reporting them if the screening fails to identify or discourage them is simply despicable. So, the WHITE knight because WTF is a grey knight, doesn't like what is essentially a PSA for the gents and, due to their superior wit, misinterprets it as another, "ladies should run their business this way" post which it's not, and? Such poor reading comprehension, is it dyslexia? If you are not comfortable giving a lady your real name, why not? So I admit not being able to imagine that being a thing, but I know some of you are OK with that, and that I'm not the only one who won't. Did you not bother to research her and know what you are likely getting into? If not why inflict her with your laziness and poor decisions? Yaaaawn! For the viewers who have not been subjected to Hobby Habit's impressive stupidity, "yawn" translates to "damn I wish I could think of an answer but can't and ran out of saved memes" Again, dumb ass, it is not me who has a comprehension issue - except with regard to your vacuous rants. So as a PSA, why should ladies not protect themselves from the same nefarious danger you brought up? Answer because that flies in the face of the real intent - to try to brow beat the ladies into not screening with real world information because poor little Habit only cares about himself. Go forth and enjoy the hell out of seeing ladies that don't screen and will see any random dumb ass like you and hope for the best. Bet it turns out great! OP uses TOR and presumably frequents dark web (main reason for TOR) but does not know how to block his IP address and information from an app site??? Hilarious - is exactly right. Read my post again, and notice it isn't about blocking my IP address, blocking information from any app site - none of that, but that sending one's picture to a provider is inherently risky and with the advent of technology, is increasingly so. That's it. A fact. And that you pretend I'm a psycho anomaly doesn't make it less factual. Read it again and notice, if you can, that I never mentioned an IP! BTW, do you know what that stands for without looking it up? The only mention that comes remotely close is that the TOR browser detected the pic's source address, a completely different component of internet technology. If you spent as much time minding your business as you do understanding mine or how the world works why, the world know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop! Blah, blah translation - "I got caught so I must lash out hard to pretend the Owl is the dumb ass in the conversation" Nice try. Questioning my computer literacy - another absolutely hilarious one oh great dumb ass. Yes, I am a grey knight and OP is color blind and thinks it is white ?, yawn, spare me the nonsense and just don't. Never heard of grey knights in the hobby world but, you made me look, and it makes sense now. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/grayknight.asp Nope, simply pre-empting your usual asinine response to being challenged on some inane post. Gotta say this is a new record for pathetically irrelevant response. Bye Felicia! Do not get my hopes up, saying bye to you would be so sweet, no sorrow involved. In conclusion, ladies, please do adequate screening to protect yourselves and it was quite the long battle by many to get the safe reporting law passed, you should avail yourself of the recourse and protection it provides and that requires real world info. Whether Habit likes it or not. Said law is still posted at the top of Colorado section btw.

Did he look like Richard Gere? Hey, if the rest is true, why not?