Don John

I take air baths, sun baths as naked as the circumstances permit. it feels great. In my case, I'm not sure it looks as great as it feels, though.

This is what I've noticed over the last few decades, strictly by paying attention, following the media, and reading the board here: LE busts mostly happen through a sting. The department sets up a number, gets a female officer to pose as a provider, and they set dates with a bunch of men at a motel room. The department pulls in a bunch of guys. This is an easy bust, easy to prosecute, and pretty good at spreading fear and doubt, so they get a lot of bang for a low budget. Then the department writes a press release and talks about the evils of human trafficking. (And trafficking IS evil when it happens, don't get me wrong). These sweeps, strangely enough, correspond with budgeting periods and elections. The other common scenario is an Asian massage parlor when something sets off a neighbor. Said neighbor registers a complaint, and a brave officer checks out the situation. This usually means a nice middle aged lady from China gets a jacket, a few men's name are published, and the owners always skate (even in a high profile bust like the one that nabbed Robert Frank in Florida a few years ago.). Same thing happened when there were a few brothels around town a long time ago. Some life-hating neighbor would see a lot of relaxed looking dudes leaving a house or an apartment and tip off LE. (I miss Wildflowers. Damn). Now, I don't want to jinx anything, and there's always risk involved. Just like speeding or, hell, taking I-25 somewhere. Crazy things are always possible. It's maybe counter intuitive, but that "high profile" tends to grant you security. For me, the risk is a minor rush outside of the main event, a little shot of adrenaline to liven up the day. But on the scale of things, it's not a big gamble. Happy you took your shot and had a great time. Party on!

Damn, Mr.Savoir Faire, that is a fine story. Thank you, and it reminds me of more carefree days a few years ago.

I haven’t been to a club since the Before Times. Back then, I’d vote for La Boheme. The entertainers were cute and often chatty. Diamond Cabaret was pretty professional, too. As the other posters have said, it’s look and don’t touch unless you opt for a private dance. Private dances have run the gamut, depending on the club and, I guess, how much ecstasy the dancer was on. You shouldn’t plan on much more than a booty grab and touching her boobs, though. I like strip clubs and strippers generally. You can if you hang out long enough or if the stars align have an adventure. But the other posters make a good point — you can easily drop $300 and leave with nothing but blue balls and whisky breath. If you’re looking for full-spectrum action, the ladies here are a better value and a sure bet.

First, a kinda obvious point for context: rates for companionship have gone up lately. A lot. Now, this IS NOT a rate thread. No! That horse has been beaten to death. And, as a freelancer, I understand that you want to get the best hourly fee you can negotiate. (You go, girls!!) Nope. What I'm curious is, gentlemen: how do you afford it? How are you generating the cash to make paying $1,000/hour an affordable expense? Enough of you must be, or else the ladies would not be traveling here, right? Or, the local talent would have priced itself out of the market. So the rates are being paid, presumably. 9Again, not saying the money spent on companionship isn't worth it.) Where are those benjamins coming from? (In a general, broad way, I don't expect a spreadsheet). Also, if you have legit tips on how I, too, could afford those fabulous women charging 1K/hour-- please pass 'em along. (And yes, I understand about paying more for pleasures, good wine, fine cognac, Wayagu beef, etc.) But the prices are steep and getting steeper. I have the impression that a lot of you are lawyers, or high tech guys, or run your own business. Is that the case? Or is this a deal where you received a sudden windfall, say, an inheritance, and decide that Cinnamon Sweet with that fine, fine derrière is worth a splurge? (This is part of a bigger mystery that maybe some of you could clarify for me, too. I see lots of shiny expensive vehicles. I see high-end boutiques in Cherry Creek and elsewhere apparently doing fine business. The nicer bars serving pricey cocktails are pretty full lately. But I also see the rents and the housing prices and wonder, just how are people making it? Is it all debt managment? Rich parents?)

Thanks, Audrey Astor You're making a lot of sense. And it's good to know what it looks like from the other side.

@johnnybgood thanks.

Yep, it is an obvious conclusion. But here’s the deal, ilovewomen: I did not have to budget, or save for, or even think much about the roses spent for companionship when it was 200 to 300 dollars per session. And I have, as you say, been around long enough to remember when that could buy you a great time in the DTC. So now—kinda like when I look at the prices of rent or houses or gas—I wonder, well, how are other people approaching this? How are they balancing living in one of the top-five most expensive cities in the USA and still finding some scratch for fun? Are they richer that me and smarter than me? I don’t mind admitting that. I just want to know how it’s working. I see that people are taking a more structured approach to their pleasures. That’s pretty smart. But, you’re right, maybe not a major revelation. Also, let’s note another response to this thread: The poster he’s pretty much bailed on the scene and is seeing sugarbabies primarily. Well, that’s something to consider. Another guy lit everyone up a while back by saying he’ll just go to Thailand for paid companionship. Not my choice, and not something I’d recommend, but interesting to know.

The question was: how do you afford to pay for your fun? The rates are part of the question. But I'm not interested in rehashing the topic of rates being low, high, justified, whatever. I understand that expenses have gone up, and I appreciate that providers are doing their best to offer delights at a price that makes it worthwhile for everyone. The 1K/hour ladies are outliers, sure. I mentioned that as an extreme example of a more general trend. Maybe it's a stupid, indiscreet question. But I've often learned a lot from asking dumb questions. So far, the theme is that you budget for it and exercise financial discipline to enjoy the hobby. Good to know.

Danielle Rae -- I just looked on Tryst.link. On the landing screen for Denver, two women are advertising $1K/hour. That's two out of 24. Three are requesting $700/hour.

Somehow, I missed this thread. Sorry for the clutter, and thank you to digivoyeur and the original posters for the info.

Rose 413-209-0359 Colorado Massage Has anyone seen Rose, a masseuse operating out of Boulder: https://boulder.rubratings.com/248615 Did a quick Google search on her phone, and a TinEye search on the photos. Didn't turn up anything. Some of the other listings on that platform are legit, a few are obvious scams (unless porn star Tanya Tate is offering HJs all of a sudden). If I do TOFTT, I'll be sure to review.

Same here. Never a truly bad fuck or lousy BJ, but those hand jobs, man, they are all over the map. So I did have a strange experience. This greasy kid on Colfax asked me if I wanted a girl. Sure, I said, and followed up the stairs and down the hall of an apartment building. He led me to a room, told me to wait, and as I waited I wondered what the hell I got into. Then the provider walks in, and the strange thing is, she looked exactly like a college instructor I had, and who was super sexy and who I'd had a medium level crush on for the entire semester. At first, I thought it WAS her. It wasn't, I could tell as soon as she started talking. She was amazingly gorgeous naked, we had a great time balling, some of the best sex I've had pro or amateur. boom, I was back on the street. So it was strange on a lot of levels -- that I didn't get rolled, that it worked out so well, that the woman was quite pretty, and that she was so much like that crush of mine. I lurked around for weeks afterward, trying to locate that greasy kid or, even better, that sexy twin. No dice. A one time gift from the gods of sex, I guess.

I was a member several years ago, before the breech. It was worse that useless for me. You had to filter through several flakes or false accounts. I've even read that some accounts are actually automated bots, which is likely. I got close to a few women who seemed real and into the idea of an affair, but they would get cold feet when the time came to do something. This makes a certain amount of sense -- you're feeling neglected, or your husband's bugging you, or you're horny and curious, so you get an account. Then you flirt like hell. Then, when time comes to make the leap, you decide maybe it's not such a good idea. In person, my raw sexual charisma usually carries the day, but online, nope. Then the service got increasingly cluttered, and I quit. A serious waste of time and money. As the other posters have said, reddit forums and the lovely women here are much better options. So yeah -- a hard pass.

It’s not just the grandpas in the race for president. All the political leadership in this country would fit right in at the local retirement home. Nancy Pelosi — 79, soon to be 80 in a couple of weeks. Mitch McConnell — 79. Average age of the Senate: 61 — One of the oldest in US History. Average age of the Supreme Court by the next election: 75. As someone who’s aging like fine wine, I think it’s short sighted to shove older people aside as relics. I generally like the generation of people in their 70s and 80s, But I still gotta say my father wasn’t the same man at 76 as he was at 66. I am not the guy I was at 25 or 35. That the entire leadership class of this country could be wearing Depends under those nice suits speaks to a level of corruption and stagnation that’s part of our problems, no matter which side of the aisle you sit on. For comparison Boris Johnson, UK Prime Minister: 55 Emmanuel Macron, French Prime Minister: 42 (he won the election at when he was 39) Katrin Jakobsdottir, Iceland, 43 Sanna Marin, head of Finland (and pretty hot!) 34 Whatever the problems those countries have — and they have some—at least they have flexible democracies with some fresh blood coming in.

So far, Covid19 has killed about 3,000 globally. Certainly, more people will die — mostly the aged and those with compromised immune systems. For perspective, 80,000 Americans died last year from plain old influenza, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Cars kill 36,000 people every year. And yet, we still drive on I25 or I70 in search of love or pussy. And that’s some dangerous action, right there. We all balance risk and reward according to what we want. Apart from a few seniors and hypochondriacs, I’m not sure there’ll be a big hit to the hobby. I could be wrong. But I also remember the SARS hysteria, and while that was a big deal in Asia, in Colorado...not so much. At all. Just be sure to wash your hands properly and stay healthy.

And I want to emphasize, I don't know about the two places you've mentioned. They absolutely could be offering a lot of relaxation, but they could also be just a cheap place for a foot rub or back massage.

Good questions. But it's considered bad form to ask about specific places on the public boards. That could attract the attention of law enforcement, and make those establishments the target of a bust. That said, they look like AMPs (asian massage parlors). Not all AMPs offer happy endings or, uh, total relaxation. (Which is why you probably asked, I know.) The subject of AMPs comes up frequently in the forums. You can probably find some good general information. For massage parlors, Rubmaps.ch is a fee-based web site that offers consumer reviews. You can also find out if a place or a specific masseuse offers more than a standard rub. One poster here suggested getting a one-month membership to Rubmaps, researching all the places you'd be interested in visiting, then cancelling your membership. From what I've read: In general, you'll show up at the door. Either the mama-san or a masseuse will answer and ask you how long you want. You'll be led to a small room with a table. If you are asked if you've been there before, answer yes. It's a screener question to see if you might be interested in a hand job or whatever. Strip totally. That will also signal that you're open to Other Services. Put a tip on the table or in an obvious place. I don't really know how much to tip. It should be at least the door fee. If you tip double the door, that'll make the masseuse really happy, but it might be overkill. The masseuse will either pretend to give you a massage or actually give you one as you're face down. She might initiate some more intimate moves. Then she'll ask you to flip over. You can indicate with a gesture or a look what you'd like. She may ask you in a whisper. She may upsell. Your experiences can vary widely, even in the same parlor. According to knowledgable sources, the women are generally going to be middle aged. Sometimes, they will be middle aged and kind of cute or, even more exceptionally, youngish and cute, but it's almost never that you'll see a 7 or above (to be crass). It can happen, though. Some Korean places in Denver years ago had some attractive workers. But whoever it is, it will never be the cutie in the ad. Also, they don't speak English very well. Also, keep in mind that many fine women offer FBSM in the Boulder area as independent workers.

Thanks NoCoGeezer for bringing back a lot of good memories. You are correct, there was a rub n tug place on Canyon, just up from the courthouse. That made me a little nervous when I was exiting the place. I'd bet a lot of attorneys and their clients got some high quality stress relief there. There was indeed a brothel on north Broadway; it's now a Subaru repair shop. Very pretty ladies worked there as well. There used to be a hotel up on Broadway with hot tubs in the back of the rooms. It was real fun to drop some MDMA, look at the stars and hang with my girlfriend at the time, a stripper from the Colorado Mining Company. Pre AIDS. Pre herpes. You youngins have no idea. I've been missing the Bustop for a while now. Construction has been underway for another architectural shit box where it used to be. I remember many fine nights there. The women were friendly and chatty, not totally about the hustle, and the drinks didn't cost much, for a strip club. Kinda like Friends, only with tits and ass. As another poster mentioned, you could get pretty lucky there. A lot of smart, adventurous women worked that stage. Nitro is way more upscale, and the girls work ya pretty hard. The entertainers are all quite beautiful, though. Some guy a while back posted about getting lucky with a dancer, so maybe I've been there on off-nights. Also, having the dancers at eye-level feels weird to me. But, not at all the same vibe. Still, the owners played a great game getting that place in town. The last time I went to the Bustop, a hot entertainer seemed clearly, and so sincerely into me. That is, until I told her I didn't actually want to be her sugardaddy if that only meant holding her bags at the Cherry Creek Mall while she went shopping with my credit card. Age. It happens. RIP Bustop.

You might find this useful: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/forum.php I can't verify how solid the information is, since I don't travel internationally very often now. Still, you can get a pretty reasonable overview of the lay of the land. I'd have to echo the advice about either not hobbying in China at all or taking time and building a relationships with some gatekeepers over a long period. The few people I know who have worked in China and who hobby usually did the fun stuff in Hong Kong or Bangkok or other big Asian cities -- not in China itself. The government has been cracking down on so-called vice activities overall. Personally, I've had very mixed experiences internationally -- great and horrific -- and those were in Western countries with tolerant regimes. Even then, the ripoffs and danger is high -- part of the excitement, but also awful when things don't work out (I'm still pissed about a 400 euro self-service job, and no, don't ask because I'm not going to say any more about that). (And I'm not actually a total idiot, believe it or not). These were in places with very low linguistic barriers -- nothing like dealing with ideograms and Mandarin. As you'd guess in a huge country emerging from poverty, there are a lot of very sharp hustlers. If it were utterly corrupt, like some other countries, you'd probably be better off, but China's in the worst between zone -- corrupt, but also with puritanical government crackdowns. You probably know this, too, but all of your Internet activity will be tracked, as well as your phone calls. You should assume any electronic activity you engage in will be documented by the authorities. Also, China's government is an absolutely evil totalitarian regime. If you want some confirmation, google "Uigur" or consider what's happening in Tibet, let alone the violence in Hong Kong. The people can be great, but the system is one of the very worst on the planet.

Very cool link, thank you for posting. The women really own themselves in most of the images. I recently read Charlie Chaplin's memoir, and a criminal's memoirs, You Just Can't Win. Both of them described whole city blocks given over dozens of brothels, dance halls and bars in any sizable town around the turn of the last century. Charlie Chaplin said Denver's was particularly good, and Kansas City boasted a huge red light district larger than many small towns. It made the chief of police a wealthy fellow, with all the bribes and payoffs. Also cool about brothels: jazz. I've had good experiences in brothels, generally. In Denver, the old 'hot tub' places functioned as brothels. That was fun. Then the Caucasian massage parlors in the early 80s were effectively cat houses. Many of the workers were very attractive, and you could easily find someone you vibed with out of a crew of eight or so. Supposedly, this is the menu of a New Orleans brothel. It looks authentic, anyway. If it is, it proves great grandpa was as kinky, or kinkier, than you.

Glory holes were a relatively common part of gay subculture, pre-AIDS. Back in olden times, I was interested in the seedy side of life. On a trip to San Francisco back in the early 80s -- pre-AIDS and pre-herpes scare -- I ended up in a porno palace not far from the Tenderloin. It was a kind of Dave and Busters for sex -- arcades, girls behind glass, a strip club, a porn shop. Next door to the pleasure palace was an unmarked door. Had to be good, right? Behind the door was a junky gate keeper who took money for the glory hole in the back of the shop. He had to explain the concept to me. He also swore there were females on the other side of the holes. I bailed, for a lot of reasons -- the vibe there was heavy and dark, literally and figuratively. The idea of sticking Mr. Happy through a gap into a random person's mouth creeped me out -- even when I was a complete moron as well as high and horny. I had visions of a legless, toothless hag working on my knob, and split. (Now, that was that place and that time. If consenting people of whatever gender and however they identify want to indulge, go for it. It's not my business.) Not long afterwards, the topic came up again --- I used to work in a profession that's popular with gay men. They talked about glory holes (along with bath houses and the rest of it.) Glory holes were a fairly common thing, I guess, and available in some of the more radical gay clubs both informally and officially. (So this is hearsay, because I don't have any direct experience of this). He'd also confirmed what Mr 2 Big has noted -- they're always dudes on the other side. No matter what the advertising. I also remember those arcade booths with the holes punched in the walls. And, man, that's one thing I don't miss about those pre-VHS, pre-DVD days. It seemed as if every time I wanted to drop a slug to watch Seka get it on in 8mm technicolor glory there was some guy in the next booth begging to blow me. (Again, consulting adults, blah blah, but .... thank you, nah.)

And, of COURSE I made a stupid error when I posted: the sentence should read: ..."I generally dislike people who use errors in and and syntax to criticize a person..." Which is another reason why I avoid criticizing other people's grammar and typos -- because it almost always means I post a dumb shit error myself. Damn.

Well, you could savor the delicious irony of someone complaining about how he or she is smarter than everyone else while expressing that thought in atrocious grammar and syntax. So, you could spend your extra time learning English grammar. Or, you could take an extra minute or so to look over what you've typed and correct obvious errors. Now, personally speaking, I am not so smart. In fact, I'm rather stupid. What I have noticed about people smarter than I am is that they are curious. About ideas, books, countries, cultures, history, science, mathematics and -- a lot of the time -- they are curious about other people. Even idiots like me. I'd suggest you put that high-powered intellect of yours into trying to understand the people you encounter. What motivates them? Why? What influences shaped their view of life? What is their view of life? It'd be actually worthwhile to understand what a moron -- like me, for example -- thinks about the nature and purpose of things, so you could avoid the same snares. The other thing I've noticed about the people that are much smarter than I, is that they're rarely bored. So you could learn a foreign language, study physics, volunteer for a literacy program to teach people who can't even read or write a few necessary skills. You could avoid humanity altogether and learn Classical Greek and Latin, look for a cure for cancer ... the possibilities are really endless. (And, just so you know, I generally dislike people who use errors in grammar and syntax of person who posted in a forum, but, in your case, I made an exception. And if English is a second language, then, bravo for learning it up to a certain point. But maybe you should learn it a tad bit better.) Good luck to you, and I hope you can bear that painful burden well as you go through the rest of your life.

You should print out jj254-1's advice and follow it to the t. It's one of the best pieces of counsel I've read on this board. Turn the page. Move on. Get your shit together. Figure out what you want to rescue from the burning house that is your marriage. She betrayed you. No amount of counseling and conversations will change that. If you can accept that, forgive her completely, and trust her from now on, then, yeah, sure. Stay with her. Let the Vatican know, too, because you will be in line for sainthood. You could try marital counseling. In my experience, that usually amounts to the female therapist and the female spouse agreeing that the male in the relationship has issues that he needs to work on. It's also expensive, takes a lot of time and work, and generally only delays the inevitable break up. Again, that's based purely on my observation of the many couples I've known who've gone through it. It could be different for you. (On the other hand, one--on-one therapy with a good mental health professional can be totally worth it.) Forget about taking revenge. It's sweet, I know. But you want to get out clean, stay in your kids' lives, and move on. Plotting or taking revenge will destroy that, burn up your headspace, and eat you alive. And that's if everything goes well. Without knowing the details, you're almost certainly dealing with a complex situation that you can't game out accurately. People are unpredictable. And perhaps I've watched one too many true crime shows, but the situation can degrade quickly. Also, watch the booze. When you're grieving and angry, throwing alcohol in the mix will only make things worse. At best, it promotes melodrama and weight gain. At worst, you'll be acting like a bozo and you could even pick up a bad habit that will alienate your children. So, put your stuff in line. Act like a responsible, mature, and solid man. Get out as neatly and quickly as you can. That way, you be more likely to preserve your relationship with your children. And move on to a better chapter in your life.