Lucy Kitten

I don't just feel that my rates are too low. I feel like everyone's rates are too low. What used to be a thriving hot spot for the hobby is no longer. Life is expensive and for being a reputable board the rates here are drastically lower compared to similar boards.

I didn't generalize men that way. You said the word dumb I didn't. I said clients don't have an idea of what a decent rate is and that's true. I wasn't complaining about just my rates either. I was pretty clear that Denver was cheaper compared to other markets and everyone should raise their rates to adjust to rising costs. So would you say Coke is literally the only one holding itself back from charging $200 a bottle? How ridiculous are you? There are about a million factors that go in to setting the right rate. I have to price myself competitively, I have to price myself for the market. Seriously what is wrong with you? What I am saying is that in a market where average rent is $1.5k homes are $500k, where advertising costs keep raising, where the cost of everything keeps raising we providers need to consider that when factoring our rates. I would imagine that you want your favorites to succeed right? Collectively raising rates is awesome for everyone. Again are you so clouded by your dislike of me that you would refuse to acknowledge that stagnated rates should go up on a luxury service?

She you mean me? What do you mean to imply about whoever sets my rates? Everything you've said here is baseless and vicious for the sake of it. I never complained that no one was wanting to pay my rates. I didn't blame all men and call them dumb. All men would include all the fine gentlemen that pay my asking price and more. All men would include all the wonderful men I've met traveling that have paid double my local rates. You either really just hate me or are defending the cheapness so which is it?

Why? And why use the word attack? You certainly felt the need to attack.

Lol you know what's funny is that so many of you think you're clever, with your not obvious at all insults. The funniest thing is IT DOESN'T MATTER. You think my potential clients come here to see what FishinDude, Ilovewomen and jj254 have to say about Lucy? They don't. Y'all put too much stock in your hateful opinions. Dish it out I can take it. The way you congratulate each other for being mean to Lucy is sick. It says everything about what kind of hateful people you are and nothing about me. I don't know why you all consistently think I am dumb. Do you really think that I wasn't expecting the regular fucking peanut gallery with their lazy insults? Seriously the usual suspects around here really suck any fun and any intelligent conversation that could actually be had. When business in Colorado really goes to shit because it's headed that way full steam you will have no one to thank but yourselves because it was more fun to shit all over the messenger than bother to contemplate the message. The glass house that is TOB will shatter cuz y'all throw stones like a mother fucker.

Gotta pay my bills. If you can't do anything but try and make this personal feel free to excuse yourself.

That's not the point. But OK. Gentleman have no concept of what an acceptable rate is.

So is all of this so what's your point? But the thing is we don't really create a monopoly. Lot's of goods and services have a market value why can't this? Poon in this economy should not cost less than $200.

LOL well more often than not I am pretty agreeable. It's a problem that I hope works itself out sooner rather than later. It's just unfortunately something providers kind of have to do collectively.

The bulk discount is how ladies who want longer sessions get them. It's not really selling yourself short either. You only have to screen and prepare for one client, In one shot you're making more money that you likely would in a couple of days. If you're able to make 1500 a day kudos to you but that's not the reality for most. I wouldn't compare the rates for longer sessions. You need to calculate on your own what you need to make for that time. What do you need to charge to make it profitable for you. Some overhead is higher than others. The ease and ability to do extended dates varies affecting the price. Just on your own do the math. How much money do you need to charge to make longer sessions both profitable and enticing. Also a lot of what you see in provider pricing structures is to help marketing. I see lots of ladies charge $400 an hour but $1000 for four. To the brain that's a great discount. If you can get the right marketing angle and appeal to the right clients you can do 4-5 four hour sessions a week and make great money. I believe that there should be a floor in which we do not dip below when it comes to hourly rates but I really believe that you decide what price point works best to get the money that you want/need.

Branding seems like a weird concept at first but many have done it already and haven't even realized it. It's the best way to attract the clients you are looking for. I have a type that I prefer to see because they are my bread and butter. There is an age group and an industry where most of my clients come from and I work on targeting them specifically.

The Denver location is gone for Beau Jo's. There is also a Chicago styled hot dog joint on west Colfax. Have you tried a Sicilian slice from Anthony's?

Not paying taxes when you have an income that you report is where they get you. As individuals it's not a super concern. The concern as a provider is the ability to live a functional life. Buy a home, car and have the ability to safely store your money. Despite the unnecessarily cruel things people say non tax-payers are not the leeches everyone thinks they are. It's funny when people harp in that. It's another one of those moments where people say things just to be insulting. Taxes are hard in this current climate, business is down and every penny is needed. I have been thinking about addressing rates in another thread. The rates that we charge here don't allow for the paying of taxes. Average rates barely get the bills paid these days. It's hard to save and next to impossible to pay taxes when you're living hand to mouth. I could care less about paying the government its dues, I would rather see a bunch of thriving sex workers that can get health insurance.

https://www.xbiz.com/news/231580/report-eros-guides-call-center-is-raided http://abc11.com/feds-raid-youngsville-business-for-possible-sex-cyber-crimes/2614696/ I don't really know what this means for Eros? Currently it's still up and running but I am hearing rumors of ads not being reposted and updated as usual and there is no one to answer customer calls in the US. This sounds similar to what they did to Rent Boy but they were raided and immediately shut down. Can the legal experts chime in? Why Homeland Security? Does a business like Eros help itself by hiring a third party like Bolma Star Services?

We all need advice from time to time Bella but it's helpful if you ask specific questions. A lot of this is trial and error and not one size fits all advice. I like to help my fellow providers but I wont tell them what to do. One I just give advice I am not to be held accountable if didn't work for you and two I (like many others) work hard for the knowledge I have and wont offer a play by play. I did my research. I researched the cities I wanted to go to. I researched neighborhoods and ad sites on my own. I went to other providers when I needed to fill in the gaps of my knowledge. I have even paid for help when I've needed it. There are a handful of ladies out there that offer consultations. Marketing, branding, website and touring help. I can send you names if you're interested. If you're limited in knowledge on a certain subject these ladies offer a great service and are really helpful.

I know we can't name names but really an upscale place at $97 a night? That's a steal. I agree with everything you've said. Location is really everything. It has to be good for you and your clients. Those convention friendly hotels are the best because they are constantly busy and who the hell knows who's there for what. Clients want to feel safe and when traveling it's nice to have amenities. Do they serve food is the most important to me. I keep weird hours when touring and meal times get wonky. Serving some sort of breakfast is a must. When I tour I stay in nice places in the hots spots in town. I don't travel to a big city to stay in the burbs or next to the airport. I don't like to be stuck with nothing to do when I have downtime.

You Miss Raine have too much wanderlust! Staying focused is the hardest part of touring especially when you're in fantastic cities like New York.

I think it's contrarian for the sake of it. BackPage is literally just a site. It has no discussion forum like TOB to persuade and set rules, they can't vet members because they're not an adult site in the same sense. These same guys say research is key but stay away from BP but all BP is a tool. What these naysayers are really doing is calling it's users trash which is in part on purpose. The purposefully refuse to understand why BP operates the way it does. Calling out fake reviews and photos is an admission of guilt. BP cannot at all help or edit ads in any way, that was a topic of debate when congress was breathing down their necks. They know that they can't really insult BP because even under pressure their CEO is laughing all the way to the bank. So it's really more about trying insult the users. It's all short-sighted, purposefully mean and just plain old wrong. It's classism, but even that again is misguided, and a bizarre way to promote other sites and it's not just here. Any place that has a local board pushes the same false idea. It is merely a vehicle, they make money it's users make money. It's a win-win for everyone involved. To try and compare it to other adult ad sites is pointless, it doesn't operate in the same way. What really baffles me is the lack of business sense in the anti-BP arguments. Why would anyone not advertise where their ad is viewed thousands of times a day? Why would a client not want to look in the most well known place? I said it before there are no ad sites that vet their users for integrity. It's people that are the problem not websites. Shitty people and shitty sessions have happened as a result of every single ad site in existence. Because people are the problem. Long post even longer I will never forget the time a "touring" provider had another lady message me because she was somewhere east and her P411 ad was getting zero traffic. I asked the monkey in the middle is she had posted on BP, turns out she hadn't because she had bought into the belief that one site fits all. Once she posted on BP magically business appeared. Many of us owe our success to BP.

LOL it's not about disagreeing. It's about giving crap advice. Maybe don't state your opinions as absolute or actually say "in my opinion". If you don't want your opinions debated don't share them on a discussion forum. There is harm when you give bad advice. If I said TOB was a flaming turd because one time years ago I had a bad experience and no one should ever use it I think everyone here would disagree with me. See why it's crap advice? It's false and disrespectful. Just because you had a bad time doesn't make it the fault of the site. It's very disappointing that you're not actually interested in discourse and try to learn something new. Did you know the owner of RS2K is going to or is already in prison? No you didn't because you were too concerned with warning about a BP experience that you had years ago. No one blames TOB when they have a bad experience maybe ask yourself why?

This is a discussion forum right? You represented your beliefs in a pretty serious way. Persuasive even. BP is not inherently evil and "reputable boards" do put up with the shadiness. It's the people that use these sites that suck not the sites themselves. It doesn't matter where you find the provider you want to see what matters is the research you do. I never said there was nothing wrong with BP, it's just the most widely used advertising site in the US and probably the world. When you tell people to stay away you ignore the thousand of legitimate providers and clients that use it daily. It's where the money is made in this business and I will never tell anyone to stay away from it unless the site is compromised. Most important and I do repeat myself but research is more important than anything. There are zero ad sites that do integrity checks on their advertisers. If you see someone simply because of where they're advertising that's misguided. It's not just a few "hidden gems" that use BP it's pretty much the majority of women in this business. Chicago is a huge city and you're going to have a lot of legitimate providers advertising there. Sometimes beliefs can be wrong. And sometimes it's OK to get called out on them. You were in another city and picked a local number because somehow they might be safer or more legit. Blaming a site for your lack of research isn't fair and bad advice. TOB peeps need to burst their bubble and learn how to operate with other tools.

https://www.slixa.com/illinois/chicago/ https://www.eros.com/illinois/chicago/sections/chicago_escorts.htm

I can suggest lots of ladies in Chicago. Chicago providers actually have a huge presence on Twitter.

But it wasn't BP that tried to kill you was it?

Why don't you share what you've learned? Makes answering you question in your other thread easier.

That's all I'm saying. It's just a little odd. I like TNA very much and am not trying to accuse them of anything, it was just bizarre. And the second/third/forty-seventh hand knowledge just adds to to the confusion. First it was routine maintenance and then the story changed. Sources want to be reliable but really aren't. Twitter has the same problem with Eros, multiple sources and all had different insider info. Conflicting advice too. It's different for advertisers too. It gets stressful as we continue to lose ad sites. We also give up a lot of info to some of these sites. TNA has a copy of my ID so when they. disappear like that I get a little suspicious. It's just hard not to. If TOB went away for a day on accident users would FREAK OUT. No ads for ladies to post no reviews for guys to read.