Mandrewthe4th

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  1. Posted

    Searching her phone number returns another ad with a single 5 star review; though the reviewer has multiple other reviews so seems more legitimate.  That being said, I am VERY skeptical of any provider who has that many photos and not a single one in anything revealing - don't have to be nude but it seems like almost everyone has a photo in either lingerie or a bikini.  Just feels too easy for the photos to be stolen

    That being said, I'm definitely interested in her if she end up being real!  Wish more ladies could/would advertise on here; TOB is the only non-p411 site I feel fairly co fident in

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  2. Posted

    On 12/15/2021 at 9:39 PM, mountainman4u72 said:

    So, I'm reopening the post on this one. Those of you lucky enough to reach her, did you email, text? I've tried her on tryst and even follower on Only Fans, which I highly suggest. Just curious. Would love to make some time to see her.

    Wishing you all a very happy holiday season.

    I got an email back when I reached out to her a year ago; ended communications after she said screening required an ID.  

    I have been paying attention to her again, signing up for the OF as well.  I did send her a message on there regarding content - took about a week for her to reply.  I also sent a separate email and haven't heard anything in the second pass but she may have just not felt it was worth her time after the previous email never led anywhere.

    I am planning on trying a third time and then I'll give up.  She also has 2 reviews on TER so I may get access to her reviews on there before moving forward.

    I would definitely be interested in a booking if we can figure out the secret sauce!

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    Wondering if anyone has had recent luck with this one.  She advertises referencing noco which is a bit of a drought so would love some local and verified talent.  Emailed her 2 weeks ago or so and haven't heard back.

    She did recently change her images on tryst fwiw.  Still look to be the same person but slightly updated

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    Rates are a red flag imo.  300/hour isn't impossible (though does seem to be on the lower end of the spectrum from what I've seen), but 800 or 900 for an overnight?  If an overnight is 8-12 hours then you're effectively getting 5-9 hours free; at least a couple of which you'll be awake for.

    Other than that its just the janky website.  Unfinished though services are listed.  Rules aren't out of the norm.

    I feel there is something fishy

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  6. Posted

    On 2/22/2021 at 7:24 AM, ronaroo11 said:

    Guys

    i am not questioning her legitimacy, her reviews are many. I am questioning her being here and taking appointments. She and I exchanged an email about her visit as of last Wednesday then ghost.

    Given she isn't actively posting ads on TOB, I'd take that as a pretty good sign she is neither here nor taking appointments in Colorado.

    Plus, the best source for a provider's schedule is her, not the TOB forums.  If you don't get a reply you can send a followup email.  

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  7. Posted

    20 hours ago, Kandi Apple said:

    Look I've been around for a damn long time and I'll tell you straight that the favoritism for ladies on the board is slim to NONE! If the Mods do not like what they read THEY deny shit and delete. Infractions are dished out and either you comply or get banned. As to refence to the reviews same scenario goes for the gentlemen.

    My comment makes it pretty clear I don't believe in the favoritism comment.  Maybe direct those comments to the person who is claiming it exists?

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  8. Posted

    58 minutes ago, BBT-8367 said:

    Some wealthy people do not go for the most expensive option

    https://www.hotcars.com/billionaires-who-drive-cheap-cars/

    And perhaps more relevant to this thread, let's not forget Hugh Grant (who was known for going with the low cost option).   While not a billionaire,  he probably  earned more than the larger amount that you cited at the time he was arrested more than 20 years ago. 

    Warren Buffet lives in the same house he bought in 1958, are you going to argue all billionaires live in homes they bought 60 years ago? Or can we recognize that some people are outliers and that the exception doesn't make the rule?

    Just because *some* wealthy people don't splurge doesn't mean they don't have more discretionary income. Arguing anything other than that is not only silly, it's completely ignorant.

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  9. Posted

    On 2/10/2021 at 8:48 AM, Strange_Ice said:

    I'm fine with different opinions what I found off topic was bringing up all the other issues of "unnatural" progress in other areas unrelated to the human body. But to keep to an actual conversation my reservations are NOT with the vaccine itself, my reservations are towards the unknown of how knew the vaccine is and how little time it actually took to developed it compared to what has been said to how long it SHOULD take to do so properly. And for the unrelated issue about conspiracy theories/theorists, someone it seems to be a habit that you seem to always find a way to try and discredit someone by throwing that out there as much as you can instead of just countering without the discrimination of conspiracies. As I have seen and appreciated other comments such as a couple of others that broke things down with valid "scientific" facts and points yours went in another direction to a degree

    Ok champ, since your complaint was that the vaccine was developed too quickly how long should it have taken? It's incredibly easy to whine; but can you support your complaints?

    Hell, I won't even ask you to link any sort of actual studies (mainly because I highly doubt you've ever looked them up).  You can just provide your personal credentials showing why your distrust of the vaccine should be taken seriously.  

    Its so easy for people to whine and parrot what they hear on Newsmax.  A lot harder to put effort in yourself.

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  10. Posted

    On 1/15/2021 at 1:51 PM, Strange_Ice said:

    That's why I made my "favoritism/double standards" comment.... and anyone who doesn't think the mods on here do just that is either blind, in denial (because they are lucky enough to be on the good end of it), or just doesn't know any better.

    But with that said, this board and what the mods do here to keep the site running IS very much still appreciated. I would not take any of that credit away. So long as this site is still running it is and will be my main source because it IS (in my experience and opinion) very reliable

    Great, would you like to give some legitimate examples?  Not where you simply claim favoritism, but where you can legitimately prove that some providers receive better treatment than others? 

    I haven't seen an actual example from you and it's a little tiring reading people complaining about supposed harms.

    Additionally, the comments of saying this is a both a biased board and reliable are mutually exclusive.  So which is it?  Are reviews reliable or is there the blatant favoritism you claim?

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  11. Posted

    8 minutes ago, pfunk said:

    I'd say you are correct.

    Clients earn everything from $32,000 to $500,0000 yearly (or more).

    For clients earning the larger amount, I'd imagine no escort is too expensive.

    Agreed!  At a certain income level you can damn near get away with any expenditure you want.

    I make nowhere near that 500k level.  I live in a condo (though I tell people it's an apartment), and manage my costs with a roommate.  This means that if I see a YL who I see charges $1000/hr then I can get away with meeting her if I feel the value would come back.  However, unless we're talking a Hollywood starlet then I'm probably not getting into that kind of rate.

    With that in mind, I also feel like some of the threads we see are because people are unhappy to see anything below that $500k comp and have people try and negotiate to the $100k level.  I personally don't see that as "bad", given I get beat up on pricing daily.  What's crazy to me is that, unlike every other business, this is one where people don't expect or understand negotiation.

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  12. Posted

    I know I'm a little late to the party, this thread made me give SB a try.

    First lady I messaged was legit; though so far is more interested in sending content than meeting in person.  Content has matched her photos, clearly custom, and because I've found her real name has also matched that.  However, we've gone a bit now and while she is up to send nightly nudes it doesn't seem to wanna progress from there.  I enjoy it, but I've also had to tell her that we are within our last bit for remote content.  If she doesn't want to meet, cool; but I can't help someone out off of just photos for the rest of my life.

    One of the things I appreciate about TOB and such is there is no fancy footwork. They are here to sell their time, not photos; so a lack of response means to move on.  With a SB I feel like you circle back instead of finding a new partner

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  13. Posted · Edited by Mandrewthe4th
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    On 2/19/2021 at 11:18 PM, frostyjack said:

    Wow, really?! I mean, you would think that if its too expensive prices would eventually adjust naturally when clients stopped calling. It had to be a pretty toxic situation to take it to the point of getting organized.

    I think part of the problem is the market doesn't seem to adjust.  How many threads are there regarding hobbyists not wanting to pay listed rates?  

     

    Edit:  tried to both replies in one comment but apparently I'm dumb

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  14. Posted

    On 2/20/2021 at 10:32 AM, Prayforrain said:

     Like any other purchase or product or service, you decide if it’s worth it, then do it or don’t. Or negotiate. Some ladies may be amenable to a lower rate, but that’s between you two. But I doubt that pissing and whining is going to cause any business woman on this board to suddenly think, “Wow, this guy is right! My prices are too high! I should ask for less and do more work!” 

    100% agree.  Goes both ways too, there's no way the "haggling" threads actually gets the lowballers to stop, well, lowballing.

    As more and more people realize this is a business they will recognize that like all businesses, price negotiation is part of what you signed up for and hopefully we'll see these threads start to die off.  

    Hell, my customers can't buy from our suppliers, and they know we get hit with a 7% increase every quarter.  Per the mentality of this board, every single one should take that increase and accept it.  But is that what happens?  Hell no - I get beat the fuck up on the pricing and then it ultimately comes down to who needs who more.  If I want their business, I'll hold the increase as low as possible for their pricing.  If they don't make it worth my while then either no discount or a TINY one.  Neither of us are bad for wanting to make sure we're being as financially responsible as possible, regardless of how annoying it is to get the question over and over and over again.

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  15. Posted

    59 minutes ago, ilovewomen said:

    Hmmmm.  Maybe what I suggested earlier is the right thing to do. Pass.

    Hmmm, maybe what we should do is let people make their own decisions based on the information available instead of just telling them to pass.

    However, if you have any actual experience with Mulani, please feel free to share it.   Not you being unable to find pages for her, not your impression from a single add - but your actual experience that would cause someone to distrust here.

     

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  17. Posted

    6 hours ago, 2Big said:

    Hmm, sucking a guy off is now a "luxury service"?

    Now?  It always has been.

    Enjoying time with someone isn't a luxury.  Paying for it is.  Having someone drive your car isn't a luxury, but valet parking is.  No hobbyist "needs" the service of a YL; companionship can be found at a bar, and other things can be taken care of yourself.  But people enjoy being customers here because they like the LUXURY of not having to put in the effort, and the LUXURY of enjoying certain activities instead of taking care of themselves.

    Like all services, luxury or not, there's two parties.  Whoever offers the service gets to set their price point, and anyone who thinks it doesn't fit the market can find someone else or do it themselves.  If provider A wants to charge $700 an hour and I don't think I'll get that value then we both can move on; they aren't bad for overcharging and I'm not bad for deciding I don't want to spend that much.

    That being said, I also see all of this as a business.  And one of the things you have to expect in business is for people to ask for a better rate.  Any new customer I work with on the retail side of our business wants the price dropped.  I don't have to give them one; but I might if we're slow and the job is still profitable enough for the company.  I'm responsible for making sure my employees can feed their families, for making sure my previous customers have someone to rely on if they have further issues - that means that sometimes I want to make $5k on a job and have to just make $2k because that's what gets me a customer, keeps my business healthy, and allows us to build more for the future.  Do I get people who ask for a rate that would make me lose money?  Sure, but I just tell them we aren't a good fit and move on.  

     

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  20. Posted · Edited by Mandrewthe4th
    Apparently [ ] triggers italics. Enjoy!

    I found her on Tryst first and was happy to see a TOB profile.  Sent her an email and haven't heard anything back; though anyone who uses email knows that doesn't mean too much.

    I'm of the impression, like pyramid, that she is a legit person.  However, I'm not 100% sold on her being a full provider versus using it as an advertising for her OF; I've seen a couple ladies (including on here) who were advertising for their content selection and not for any sort of meetup.

    I'm proceeding with talking for now, and would schedule a meet if she was available.  That being said, I also won't be surprised if I never get a reply, or if it was to push me towards subscribing to her OF.

    That being said #2: if I get something affirmative back then I'm moving forward with a booking and will update the team!

     

     

     

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  21. Posted

    5 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

    https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/queenice/32548270

    Different name, different phone, some shared pics (likely same lady) and ............... read text.  Way too much drama for my taste

    I see some consistent photos across everything I've found from her; I think it's always a double listing.

    That being said, I would turn and fuckinf RUN after that ad. I'd rather not ask Jessica's mom about her hep C 🙄

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  22. Posted · Edited by Mandrewthe4th
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    Can't say for certain, but a search of the phone number shows sporadic ads from the area for at least a few months.  Looks like she may have been traveling with another lady before too.

    Biggest red flag for me is when they have EVERY activity listed as open.  Maybe she is available for anything, but in my experience that's either someone scamming or who will say anything to get you to meet - equally worrisome

    She does have 2 reviews on EM (though I can't see them), so that leads credence to her being real.  Since she sells content you can always try and use that to vet her as well

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  23. Posted

    2 hours ago, ilovewomen said:

    Since this Denver, not sure why you would bring up a Charleston business.  Are you just curious?  I didn't see where they were coming to Denver or Colorado.

    FYI,  I'm not trying to piss in anybody's coffee this morning as I was accused of the other day.

    NURU is fun and I think they would do okay business wise if they were in Denver.

    The 411 portion of the forum isn't location specific.  In fact, the post is here because a mod moved it from the Carolina portion of the board.  Maybe let the mods worry about where threads need to be?

    FYI, you don't need to defend yourself from things you're not actually doing.  It's the same as when morons say "I'm not racist but....." and then make the most racist comment they could.

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  25. Posted

    On 2/8/2021 at 11:00 AM, REDACTED-3107 said:

    Then, I said, hey if someone wants to, that would be great, because it would be. 

    If this is what you had said after the thread got legs, that would have been one thing.  Maybe asked for information, then if no one had any, saying "Damn, guess its not the time, hope someone else gives her a whirl".

    But, if you go back and read what you said, you'll see that is not the case.  What you actually said was:

    On 2/5/2021 at 10:50 AM, REDACTED-3107 said:

    Any info would be great, or, if someone wants to TOFTT and write a review and possibly ref her into P411, that would be great too. 

    And then, again

    On 2/5/2021 at 10:50 AM, REDACTED-3107 said:

    She told me she has had little interest since arriving for her week long visit and probably will not return, so if **anyone wants to give her a review that brings her local cred and biz** she may change her mind, but Idk if I can TOFTT without a bit more assurance she is real. 

    Hell, you're damn near advertising for the girl to get a review on her. 

    On 2/6/2021 at 9:28 AM, REDACTED-3107 said:

    I was not asking anybody to take a risk. However, some people, and I could name a couple names but I will not, seem to really like to find and review new girls of this age category, so, I tossed it out. I primarily seek information if anyone can find some however. 

    It's incredibly creepy that you're paying attention to the age ranges and demographics of who posters are reviewing.  The choices of whom we choose to meet and review are someone's personal business; why are you even tracking it anyways?

    Instead of putting all that effort in, why not just offer to buy the content she is selling, and then use that to determine whether or not she is real?  

    Anyways, this thread has gone in circles, it's time for you to shit or get off the pot.  If you're really concerned about her finding Denver worthwhile enough then stopping wasting her time with questions about her marketing choices and make a booking.

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