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I think you must've skimmed my post and not actually read it. I didn't say that 30 minutes is low class. I said that one tends to find such level of class at BP. You're confusing 30 minutes and BP as one thing. As for categorizing, we humans do that to make decisions in less than an hour. I don't expect to find a fine meal at Walgreens but the last time I was in San Francisco, I found myself surprised at the level of Walgreens offerings there. I categorized and I was wrong. But still, overall, across the country, you won't find a fine meal at Walgreens. Just as I have found some great experiences on BP. Nonetheless, that land of stupid overly copied graphics and fake pics is easy to categorize. Also, keep in mind that Sabrina's core offering is FBSM. I stand by my argument that 30 minutes is way too short for that.

I just quickly skimmed through the discussion so far so I'll just add my 2 cents to the original topic. From the customer's perspective, it's easier for us than it is for the providers. If you are expected to start talking about what you want to do before actually engaging in sexual behavior of some kind, it's not a good sign and I'd look at leaving, ideally with money back in hand. My expectation going into a session is to set money down and start getting mutually naked and fondling things. See, you paid for her time and company and all this other stuff just "happened" because of mutual chemistry or whatever you want to call it. It's extremely unlikely for a female officer to actually get body to body naked with you before trying to incriminate you. At that point, you're pretty safe to start blabbing about what you'd like her to do for you. For the ladies, stories abound that this is much harder. Male officers, naturally always there to take one for the team, have been known to go full-session and then reveal themselves. It's been documented and debated in news stories enough times. The drawback to this for us guys is that we don't always know if we're going to get what we want. Personally, I tend to want UTF and MSOG (on hour sessions) but if going to someone not heavily reviewed, then I have to find out after paying if I'm going to get what I really want. Still, better than the possible alternative. As for checking reviews, check to see how many reviews the authors have written and over how much time. One provider with 11 reviews by first or second time reviewers sounds a lot fishier to me than another with 5 reviews but 2 of them were written by guys who have been doing this for the past 4 years.

I wouldn't do the 30 minute special. Here's the thing from the John's perspective (at least my perspective so I'm making assumptions about everyone else)... You advertise on both BP and TOB. Even as a TOB member, I look to BP for that "quick and dirty" session and I think others who go to both places probably do the same. I don't expect to find fantastic experiences there. Just "tension relief" and the providers I find there, more often than not, aren't often all that "high class", especially when their ads say they are. Sometimes we guys just want and have time for that. When I'm looking for something a bit better and more involved, I check TOB ads. Just as I expect less service from BP, you might expect less in kind from the customers who find you there. Once again, they may be members who are here too but they found you there and so that's their mindset going in. I think posting a 30 minute special, especially on BP, is going to give you more of the kind of experiences it sounds like you're hoping to avoid. If anything, do more to get guys here at TOB to take you up on your 1 hour "VIP" specials. Aren't those the encounters you want reviews based on?

I like to think that I'm a "nice guy" but something to note is I'm the only one who opted for the hour. I was also on time for it. To be honest, I think 1/2 hour is way too short for a FBSM session. Also, I tend to get a little excited about receiving more service than anticipated. Maybe I just smelled good that day...

I only ask for general area like cross-streets ahead of time. Same reason as everyone else. I need to have some idea of how long it'll take me to get there. Still, I don't entirely understand the benefits of a two-call system en-route and I've come across a few times where the provider didn't bother with it when I was actually leaving for the visit. As an example, if I'm going to see someone 4 hours from now, sure, I get the need to not give an exact address. You wouldn't want me showing up 3 hours early. But if we exchanges texts 30 min before the appointment about me being on my way, some just give an exact address but most want another call when the intersection is reached. I don't see how the latter benefits anyone except I suppose those few frustrating times that the provider just never answers a call or text again after I've driven to the intersection (the joys of BP). I mean that close to the appointment, both parties are committed to the event or should say otherwise by that point. Is it just to provide a back-out option? I mean if it's just to make sure I *really* am going to be there, a second call is no guarantee of that.

Just by the fact that it's an RV wouldn't necessarily bother me. I guess it depends on how nice and what the area is like. But why stop there? You could go a step further and make it an outcall-incall!

For the most part, I found that many providers will relax reference requirements if you've written some reviews over a reasonable course of time. The easiest thing to do is go see some BP girls that another reviewer or two have written something on. If so and so with 100 reviews over 6 years says this 3G QV BP girl is the real girl, and if she looks like someone you want to get your rocks off with, you can go do that and write your own review. Remember that an existing review doesn't have to be great to go see her. Sometimes, the old guys get jaded and write a mediocre review because they didn't get GFE for a $80 15 minute visit. At least you can be somewhat assured that the provider is real. These girls are still taught old myths that if they ask your if you're LE, you have to tell them if you are. So that's their usual screening. Whatever, good for newbies (and LE, I suppose). Do this over 6 months, and you build a little credibility. I eventually got a P411 account for the more stringent providers but I honestly don't rely on it much.

I'm the latter reviewer. I never saw Ms. Creme (that I'm aware of now, anyway) so I can't draw a comparison on pics and only did some occasional lurking around the forums when she was embroiled in some heated discussions with some folks. If she's changed her name, it means nothing to me since I had a very nice time with Sabrina. Sometimes I don't have a nice time with someone several other people did. It happens. YMMV, as always.

I'm curious about this one too. Ever find anything out?

Some girls do post a QV or QQ rate (15 mins). I've taken up some on this when time was short but it has usually meant full service done very quickly. Still, I've seen prices being reasonable enough for these time slots that going any less for a BnG visit would probably be too low for any provider to seriously consider.

I don't think NCNS is excusable in this day and age with everyone having a mobile phone. However, some may consider a cancellation too close to the appointment time as the same thing. Where weather throws a wrench into things is where traffic is concerned. There are times where you might expect a 30 minute drive to take an hour in bad weather and find that 2 hours, due to accidents (attributable to the weather) is more like the reality. I have had this happen only once and, luckily, when I called the provider as I sat in traffic, we were able to move the appointment later and keep the meeting. There will be those times where one or both parties won't be able to fit things in later in the day and someone might end up offended over it.

My experience has been more like Crazy Horse's. I'll admit that I've found better overall service matches up relatively with dollars spent but, by that, I don't mean how hot the girl is. I've spent a flat 100 on hotter and it's happened often enough that it's closer to an expectation than a nice surprise. This is not a recent trend either.

I've been curious as well.

I've found it to be possible. Only one time did a provider with "boundaries" decide to cross them with me in the heat of the moment, though, so I can't imagine it happens all too often (but I don't really do FBSM very often). In this case, it was a massage provider I had seen a couple of times before and who offered a "switch" (so I could rub her). I managed to work a very sensual rub into going all the way. Keep in mind that there's hardly a guarantee that being able to give the rub means you'll get this. I fully expected to have my wandering hand corrected or the session ended as I got the lower regions more involved. Luckily, in this case, there was never any resistance. No extra charges either. In one other case, over the course of conversation with a provider, she got really interested in the topic of my having seen various full-service providers. Lots of questions about it. About a week or so later, I saw her advertising increasingly sexier options as part of her menu until she finally made the full switch. I never did see her for that service though but I wondered if I missed an "upsell" that I could have suggested.

I used to enjoy this activity in some of the all-nudes in San Francisco. It was actually kind of easy. That city was, at least at the time (90's), very relaxed about sex work in general so that attitude may have made it easier there. It's been a long time since so I have no idea if that's still the case.

Btw, not sure if my review is up yet. Posting process seems to have been slow lately.

I reviewed her as well and gave her a similar rating with a much less harsh description. Nutshell: 3G's, girl as advertised. Personally, that's fine with me. Sometimes you want fine dining and sometimes you just want a quick bite.

Best scenario for me, personally, is the provider that offers both 1/2 and full hour options. I don't like committing to an hour with someone I haven't met and I've been disappointed enough times that I've been glad for the short visit. Maybe I'm picky. I also sometimes only have time to fit in a half hour appointment into my schedule. All that said, the provider that I find that I liked in the half that also allows for MSOG (which I take up on about half the time) during the hour fits me best.

I had to cancel on short notice (it was about 3 or 4 hours in advance) only once so far. There's that risk that work could just take over with some fire drill or something along those lines.

Yeah, it was more frequent earlier on. I admit, though, 2-4 times per year might be exaggerating a bit. Every time it does happen, it's because I put the effort into making it happen. If I didn't, I think my wife could just never have sex again and not even realize it. That's fairly accurate.

My wife likes to go at 2-4 times per year and I have a much stronger libido than that. She actually added to her rejections a few times that I'm welcome to find someone else to do that with if that's just what I need (semi-jokingly). I took her up on it but I still keep it a secret.

Her name is apparently Mindy now.

Mtndew, I'd suggest seeing a urologist if you can. General practitioners are more likely to see hormone replacement as some sort of "dark art". Urologists have a lot more experience in dealing with the matter. This is the first I've heard about legal matters and testosterone though. The levels that body-builders use is at least 4x that of treatment dosages.

Here's what I did (not saying it's the best way to go, but it worked out for me): I started out seeing mostly girls from BP. Body rubs require almost nothing in the way of references and that's where I began. I always wrote a review. Eventually, I saw some escorts from BP but only after at least one other person reviewed them on the review boards (and only if that reviewer has a decent history of reviews). Generally, that means checking BP fairly regularly and cross-referencing phone numbers or names with the review board. Continue to write reviews yourself. Then, when and if you decide you want to move on from BP, look for a girl on EB that doesn't require a P411. She may be satisfied if you give her your review handle and if she can message you in some way using the associated email (you did create a hobby-only email, right?) or if your main TOB handle is the same (as it is in my case). Some people are averse to giving out their handle but I found no reason to care. Once you've seen a couple of EB girls at least a couple times each, they'll likely be willing to vouch for you with other EB girls that require references.

Thanks, LargeHam, I'm going to give ZMA a try.