synoches

I ran into the situation NoCoGeezer mentioned and fell for it. First time for everything, I guess, at least where I didn’t know up front what I was getting. I have had FBSM providers upsell at the start like that but describing what I would get. I’m okay with that.

Oh and here is today’s ad: http://denver.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/best-massage-in-town/49579832 Number is 720-465-0306. Hopefully that can save someone from the same kind of gullibility I showed yesterday until they pull their current ad and burn that phone number, which also seems to be part of their rotation. Also, my experience is almost identical to the others mentioned and the review linked here. It’s obviously well rehearsed and scripted. Don’t do it unless you like a blue-balled drive home.

I saw them and wrote a review but, unfortunately, I didn’t see this first. I doubt my review will help anyone either since I named it after the one rotation provider I saw. The business/agency has no name to reference and, as mentioned, the girls rotate by the day. The girls are real and beautiful. There is a lot of upselling and no ending at all. It was strongly implied the more I tipped, the more I got. I tipped a lot, at the maximum end of the hinting. Enough to fully pay for a session with a legit provider. That got the bra to come off. End of story and no other ending to speak of. Ultimately, it was the most expensive basic massage I ever had and I really wish I had just gone to my usual non-sexual therapeutic massage chain.

It only shows up if you narrow the search area to specific town like "Castle Rock".

She has a personal life which she openly shared I see no reason to be concerned about a pimp or anything like that from my experiences so far.

That's essentially why I want to know if this BF was a point of contact like that response made it sound. It's a large departure from my experience with her and I found her to be quite pleasant. I didn't dig into her "other life", though. She contacted me today as well and I too was unavailable. I'm not blocked, however. For the record (just so it's clear that she's not sending unsolicited messages), I did specifically tell her to feel free to let me know when she's available again.

Did you have to interact with this boyfriend or is this all stuff she relayed to you? Dealing with a boyfriend is a little too weird for me and I was just about to move forward on a repeat visit.

Showing your ID is nuts, as far as I'm concerned. I would never do it. I don't have anything against a provider who requires it but I'm with boink36 on this. You show your ID because you're already there and feel pressured on the spot. You write a less-than-perfect review. Provider goes ape-shit on you, blowing up your text messages and threatening to put you on these mysterious online black-lists. Provider googles your name, adding "Denver" or "Colorado" to the Google search box if your name is a more common one. There you are on Facebook with a link titled "Married to..." and/or "Works at..." next to your profile. Be as creative as you want with what happens next, because I mean...really, there's nothing to lose here, right?

You're absolutely correct. I made a "practical" assumption here and I also made an assumption that all of us at these forums operate the same way and that is we already know there is no absolute safety. With that in mind, I didn't bother to add in to my statements that there was an acceptable level of risk I was willing to take based on my conclusion. I just assume we all understand that already and operate that way. The only surefire safety net is to keep our pants zipped up. In this case, I made the assumption that it is not "yet" worthwhile to run a hotel sting operation with KIK as the sole channel of communication. I could be wrong and/or that may change in the near future. I'm pretty sure a phone number isn't a better guarantee, though.

It was to me too but I started wondering.... "would LE use KIK?" Probably one day, but I doubt it's mainstream enough yet. Maybe that's the point. As far as the MILF thing, yeah, I noticed that too but I don't find that shocking, really. I found no physical sign of that (not trying to mean that there usually is) so it's possible she just threw that in there. I didn't ask.

I checked it out. A little strange in the setup and communications over KIK but all legit and good. Review coming.

A lot of people have a taste for revenge. Hell, I probably could've just chalked up the no-show as a typical time-waster and not bothered with the review but I was a bit peeved at the time. I guess I just wanted to further indulge myself in wasting time and read the juicy details of what I supposedly did. I've never been a "bad boy" before so I want to know how I did.

Where are these "bad boy reports"? I recently wrote a No-Show review and received a message from the provider that I'd now be receiving a review of my own. I wonder what it could contain since our experience was limited to some texts that left me waiting in my car in a hotel parking lot until I finally gave up and left.

They are all largely the same plus or minus a few accessories or features you may or may not use. I bought the 7100 model which is on the high end but it has various attachments I'll never use.

Women seem to vary down there as much as we do. I've been with some girls who've really struggled with insertion all the way in (either at all or for very long). Some seem to really enjoy it but after it's over will comment something along the lines of "I'm going to be feeling that one for a while." Others yet don't seem to really give the impression that anything is out of the ordinary at all. Different strokes for different folks...literally.

Search for "Norelco BodyGroom Series" on Amazon. Makes it really easy.

Just to point out one of those statements I made that keeps getting dissected and surrounded with emotional baggage: Synoches said: "I look to BP for that "quick and dirty" session". Kittens hear: "All of them, 100% of them, who post at BP are "quick and dirty" people. Not what I said. This is when I'm looking for the quick and dirty (and yeah, ideally light on my wallet). It's my goal. I don't mind when I find what I'm looking for and if anyone's quick and dirty, it's me. When I want that, it's harder to find at TOB. TOB is not so much my friend late at night, last minute and on the way home from the airport. BP is and offers much better support for my "quick and dirty" moments. That's from my experience pulling out my phone and doing such searches late at night more often than I should admit to. I also know there are a lot of nasty assholes that call girls or sometimes make it to their rooms. The general consensus here is likely that I'm probably one of them but truth is, I'm actually an extremely nice person when I meet someone, from anywhere. Knowing, though, that many guys aren't as friendly as I am, especially in one-too-many dirtbag "quick and dirty" mode, I don't suggest attracting more of them, especially for review purposes. So from that experience, here's a girl who's having a tough time with reviews from people who show up late for 30 min appointments. BP is a great place to find last-minute short-term appointments. Proposed idea: Offer a special on 30 minute appointments. I suggest not doing this.

I'd say it makes me look like an idiot for not realizing it, so fair enough. But as far as my statement, both have been dissecting my words in order to surround said words with emotional baggage to maximize offensive reaction. I recently decided to use TOB more as a place to verbalize myself a bit rather than strictly reviews but it's looking like a judgment error.

Yep, I did make a mistake. Got the two kittens mixed up but, c'mon look at the situation. I was getting quoted and kicked back by one and another one jumps in and starts up the exact same. Besides, bottom line is, I'm stating the fucking obvious and generalizations are fair to apply to things where large percentages are true. Does anyone refrain from saying "Toyota makes dependable cars" until they've verified that there has never been a Toyota lemon sold? You'll never be able to decide if you want to cross the street or not if it's going to come down to that. Is everyone who goes to BP "crap" (not my words) or "lower class" (yep, those were mine)? No, of course not. Would I have an easier time finding "crap" or "lower class" at BP over TOB. Absolutely and I stand by that. It takes more work to find the gems at BP (once again, from the words of one of my my detractors). Agreed. Is it simply because of quantity of people at BP? Probably, but that doesn't change the net effect. If it's late at night and I'm in half-drunk or mostly-drunk dirtbag mode, my best bet is BP. I've been there and done that. No offense to half-drunk dirtbags reading this since it seems like offense comes easy around here. Go through my reviews if you must. Plenty of them come from BP. Some good, some not so good. Do rates equate to value? No. Does it take more work to find a great time at a lower rate? Absolutely. Apply that across any industry in the world and you'll find the same. It also doesn't mean a high rate will equate to a higher value. But...when I pay a high rate and get what I feel is a lower value, my review will reflect it. If I pay a lower rate and get a great value, once again, the review will reflect that too. If I get commensurately lower service at a lower rate. I'll give a fair to good review based on the simple principle of getting what I paid for. Once again, apply that across any industry. As one of my detractors has already pointed out, it's about the money and the service and cold as it may be, that does diminish the personal human value factor. Sorry. What bugs me more than anything, though, is hypocrisy. How can someone (detractor #1) go off on me for suggesting offering 30 min FBSM specials on BP is a bad idea and then a few posts later say that BP is full of crap. Yeah, exactly. Sabrina wants better reviews. Increasing the influx of guys from said "crap" probably won't arrive there. Then detractor #2 chimes in that reviews are lower for 30 min sessions these days. Okay, so now my earlier statement that offering 30 min FBSM specials on BP for the purpose of improving reviews is a bad idea is obviously proven wrong. Seriously, WTF do you want from me??? Then there's this whole "I don't know what providers go through" stuff so I apparently have no right to an opinion whatsoever. I'm not trying to offer an opinion as a provider. I'm offering an opinion as a client who's been doing this for a while. What do clients know? Well, we do walk through a lot of doors of a lot of providers advertising on BP. So yeah, you advertise on BP and your'e not "low class" (not that I EVER said everyone was...my exact words were "more often than not" : i.e. "mostly") and so you're all offended. So how many ads do you go through on BP, call one from and then go visit to build your sample size from? And about the gangster rap thing. No, I didn't say cheap ladies listen to gangster rap. But this brought something to my attention. The scenario I painted about listening to crappy music (any kind) playing from an iPhone: That's from experience. Happens more often than you'd think. But since there's this viewpoint running around that clients don't have advice worth listening to, wouldn't a provider already know this? Haven't you been calling various girls from BP and visiting them in their hotel rooms over the years to build up your sample size so that you can get properly offended when someone makes the wrong generalizations about that population sample? No, not likely. You two are probably gems who advertise in the aforementioned crap, in which case, my earlier references about "more often than not" would include you in the "not" category. Also, as pointed out enough times, I do business through BP. I'm part of this "crap" as well.

Um, you also said that BP has a lot of crap. I'm starting to get the picture that it's not what's said that bothers you but rather who's saying it. I don't treat anyone I see like crap, regardless of where I find them. Nonetheless, I find that it's a lot easier to become dissatisfied by looking to BP for a higher class of service. It can happen but if you really want that, chances are you'll need to prebook with someone here. On the other hand, if I want a 15 minute session for 80 dollars at a last minute's notice, I have a much better chance of that from BP. I'll probably have to listen to crappy modern gangster rap playing from an iPhone during the session too. But you'll probably disagree with me on that in great offense just to say effectively the same thing two pages into this later but spun in an emotional way full of assumptions about me to make me look like an asshole. Now you point out that reviews in general are lower for 30 minute sessions...this is frustratingly going in circles. I already said that the idea of putting on specials for 30 minute sessions was a bad idea for increasing good reviews. Once again, part of my original statement that set you off in the first place apparently because it came from me and not from you.

No, you didn't literally type out the words "shut up". I realize that. But anyone who's told that their advice is unwelcome and reminded that their part is to show up on time with money in-hand would come to the same conclusion. I'm not trying to suggest that a new provider seek advice from clients over other providers. Certainly not on topics of screening or safety. As important as those are, they are tangents that you threw into this. This topic was about getting better reviews. Clients do know about reviews and how we arrive at them. This little debate got started because you took some offense with my "categorization" of BP providers as more often than not, lower class. Yet, in your own words here, there is a lot of crap at BP which takes extra work to find the gems. Those two statements are so different how? Lastly, I still don't think you're actually reading all of the things you're commenting against. I was never late to an appointment with Sabrina nor was I arguing with her here or anywhere. I'm the author of the positive review.

This discussion along with her ads and reviews motivated me to see her as well. She's fantastic.

Suggesting that I I'm "yet another example" of someone who should've been screened out categorizes me. Suggesting that a provider can only get good advice from other providers is also categorizing. Saying that we clients should just shut up and show up with money in hand is yet another. Do you even realize that the topic of this post is around getting better reviews? Who writes those reviews? Do you truly believe that any business, in any industry, should run on the premise that customer feedback is unwelcome and a business should only get feedback from other businesses?

Sounds dismissive, actually. Also kind of insightful in that this sounds a lot like the "quick and dirty" BP exchange I was referring to. Look, you're right in that I don't receive clients and I don't know what sorts of guys walk through the door. I only hear about it from providers. Sabrina happens to be one such provider that I've heard it from. So let's put 2 and 2 together... 3 reviews. 2 bad ones from 30 min clients. 1 good one from a 1 hour client. She posts on both TOB and BP. She's complained about guys showing up late for 30 minute appointments. The bad 30 minute reviews suggest things went too quickly and they were asked to flip over and rushed through the ending. Don't these complaints from both sides start to illustrate a pattern here? So looking at this, are you honestly saying then that a good possible remedy is to offer a 30 minute special on BP to increase good reviews???

Do you realize how much categorizing you've done in your response that belittles me for "categorizing"?