The Oxymoron

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  1. A client need not give P411 any significant real life information if he has two solid provider references, and P411 offers completely anonymous payment options including money order and cash.

    If a client needs to be verified via employment information, those details can be given over the phone and verified, then shredded once the process is complete.

    For those who have given employment information online, that information is deleted and destroyed once the account is approved. There is no reason to hold onto that information past the initial screening process.

    Also, there are NO automatically recurring renewals on P411, which means credit card information in not saved if you choose to pay with credit card. You have to enter it manually, each time you wish to make a credit card payment.

    Unfortunately, there is no way to completely eliminate the risk of a hack. However, it is possible to limit the amount of damage that could be done with a hack. A bunch of client ids and hobby emails won't be particularly interesting if it comes down to it, anything over and above that is 100% in the client's control and there would be no reason to include real life, identifying information.

    As a side note, who's to say that P411 doesn't enter random, well-established and well known public figures and business people into the database just for shits and giggles. You never know who might be in there.... ;)


  2. I vote for 2Big posting before and after photos of himself, for our amusement!

    First, a professionally taken photo from 1990 when he was in peak 25 year old condition.

    Second, a candid shot taken at the worst possible angle today.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that he might also look pretty "busted" too. lol

    Or maybe not... I'm curious!


  3. "Whore"was also one of my favorites, and in my opinion one of the most realistic portrayals of street prostitution in the late 80s and early 90s (my heyday).

    Loved Leaving Las Vegas too.

    Oh, I liked this one way back in the day too.... but I haven't seen it in 30+ years, so it might actually be terrible. lol

    Little Ladies of the Night


  4. System test engineers strive to exercise software prior to release, but with the millions of permutations to test there simply aren't enough resources. The best test environment is thousands of customers tweaking the system in ways unimagined by the developers. Each addition to any system introduces more complexity and new bugs. Without customer input bugs remain undetected in the system.

    As customers we must do our part to improve what can never be a perfect system.


    We really appreciate those who offer their input and assistance so that we can try to make the site work the best it possibly can.

    Keeping in mind that I am but one uneducamated schmuck working with one computer genius who can somehow turn my jibberjabber into a site that we are all incredibly proud of. Warts and all.

    We are happy to fix that which we know needs fixing, as time allows. Unfortunately, there are never enough hours in the day and we can never know all of the problems that need to be fixed, without you!

    And, Bit... if I haven't told you that I love you in a strictly computer nerdy way, let me tell you now. I love you!! mwah!


  5. If I were an Admin, I guarantee you I'd have noticed this years ago.

    I guarantee you, that as Admin, I NEVER do searches for providers as though I were a client member and I have no clue if there is a problem in that area unless someone brings it to my attention.

    It's a massive, extremely busy, site and we do the best we can. I'll be the first to admit it's not perfect in many areas and could use some work.

    They imply that there is an age verification

    Where did P411 ever imply anything like that? The only place we say anything about age verification is on the provider application, and it's clear that it's to verify they are the age of majority.

    I'll agree that many people make many assumptions about the types of verification P411 does on both providers and clients, but I can assure you that we do not try to mislead anyone and are available to answer any questions anyone might have.


  6. Thanks, Bit. :)

    As he said, we verify that the provider appears to be legitimate, and we require providers to submit documentation that proves that they are of legal age. We do not ever police the accuracy of their advertisements, that is left for reviews.

    I'll agree the Advanced Search option could use some work, and we plan on working through that area of the site sometime this year. First order of business is to get the Available Now board working though. ;)


  7. I wonder how much verification they do on the women?

    A new provider on P411 needs to have a good review posted by an established review (5 or more previous, unrelated reviews) or have a P411 BasicPlus5+ client member to vouch her in.

    They are also required to submit age verification (identification) images.

    It's not a perfect system, but it weeds out a huge amount of riff-raff.


  8. Are providers on P411 all legit?

    This is the standard answer:

    We do not keep anyone on the site unless we believe them to be a legitimate and reputable member of the community. Regardless, we also encourage everyone to do as much additional research as they feel is necessary to keep themselves safe.

    P411 is only intended to be used as one tool in the verification process.


  9. On an is a Super smart and Brilliant business move! Businesses have to make $. and on top of the new law headaches......the visiting ads for providers have gone from 5 points to 10 points to 20 points ($) AND the loss of any real time advertising there..TOTALLY supports the expansion (notice the new cities) on EscortBoards...where providers will have to pay$ to advertise where they lost exposure on P411. Providers can't use the ad boards..they now have to pay $ for increased exposure ads..(which are NOT cheap) AND Escort Boards.

    This all was supported by the months and months of "don't give providers your info" "protect your info" marketing on the boards here to make providers and clients reliant on P411 alluding that you cannot hobby safely without the board.

    Overall, was necessary due to the new law...but under it is a brilliant move for the business to make more $. P411 is not a's a business and what happens happens. Providers will have to be more creative on how to get the word out..or spend Much more money to... Clients won't have access to real time or P411 arbitrary discounts by providers, but perhaps have to establish better provider relationships to receive that in the future.

    Not sure how you think pushing business to is a brilliant business move for Also, I'd like to point out that it's been TEN YEARS of "marketing on the boards", not "months and months".

    Anyway, I suppose you also missed where it was said that we are working on an Available Now feature that won't need to be moderated and will be totally free for everyone involved. The only catch is that the bitchers and complainers won't get to use it..... too bad for you!

    I'm just kidding about that last sentence, btw. Have a good one. :)


  10. When I had a P411 account, I received OK's from unknown providers. When I contacted the owner, I was told that I forgot and did not remember seeing the provider. One OK was from out an of state provider. I had never been in that state.

    Providers travel to Colorado, but the Okay is given using their permanent (Home) listing from whatever city. Providers also change their names and photos.

    Please remember that the P411 staff can see in your account if you contacted the providers who gave you the Okay in question, if you set up an appointment with the provider, and if you requested an Okay from the provider, etc.

    Also, since 2013 it has not been possible for a provider to give a client an Okay unless the client first requests it. If anyone needs additional info to spark the memory, just say the word to P411 and that info can be shared.


  11. I will but never heard of them and they both from New York, New York

    Providers change names, and they travel.

    Chances are really good that you saw them in Denver, perhaps working under a different name. Either that or you are requesting Okays from providers you've never seen... ;)

    Probably best to contact P411, a public board isn't a great place to discuss your account.