The Oxymoron

You might want to contact P411 about that, and they will be able to spark your memory.

Due to the new laws in Canada, P411 is unable to allow the advertisement of sexual services. Monitoring the Ad Board has proven impossible from a management standpoint, regardless of Justina's proof that cats can be herded (good one girl! lol). We cannot put the entire site at risk because the actions of a few. The good news is that now that I'm not needing to spend my days arguing with providers about whether "sliding my hot, wet, nude body against yours" describes a sexual activity or not, I can focus on what I love to do. Which is thinking up and implementing features to improve the site. As soon as the dust settles around here, we're going to get to work on creating an Available Now feature. So stayed tuned..... and I'm really sorry about the recent changes. They suck, but our hands are tied.

Thanks for clarifying. The Ad Board was a little used area of the site that took you to an Ad that took you to a providers' main Listing - which is still on the site, just as they always were.

It's all about mitigating your risk, being prepared for the worst, and managing paranoia.

No kidding.... thanks for the reminder. Zippin it!

Again, how the hell do you know??? You have exactly zero personal experience in this department, so what makes you the expert in these matters? How do you know who they are contacting? Or whether they give a rats ass about "favoritism". Or maybe it's because a reasonably careful provider who is working full time for five years can expect to get busted approximately once. That's about the average, and yes I have a shitload of personal experience. It really just boils down to luck and a little bit of street smarts in the end. I wouldn't ride too much on your street smarts, btw.

I can assure everyone that Nikki and her "stats" are not reliable in any shape or form. Also, I'm not sure how a provider who has never been busted (by her own reports) can state "I am watching vice getting past screening, in more ways than one." When has she ever seen vice get past screening? Or perhaps she has HEARD (aka gossip) about vice getting past screening? People, nothing has changed from 2 months ago, 2 years ago, or 20 years ago. All vice departments have a budget and a job to do, which includes doing regular low level prostitution stings. Typically BP outcalls to a hotel room (where they control the environment). Rarely they will do a more high level bust.... maybe one every couple of years or so, that takes out a large agency or hits the news in a more significant way. Yes, it's scary... but we are talking about misdemeanors here. Along the lines of driving without insurance, just way more embarrassing. Mitigate your risks as much as possible,and if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Try not to let paranoia eat you alive.... be prepared to deal with a misdemeanor IF the worst happens, but do everything you can to avoid it, of course!

It is extremely rare.... and I mean EXTREMELY.

It got "wacked"... sorry guys.

Now, I'm not sure if this is the incident that CH is talking about, but here is a thread in which Jordan Miller says the exact opposite of what CH seems to recall. http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=51686&postcount=12 Many (if not all) of her posts on TOB can be found by advanced searching "jordan miller" on the Colorado Archive board.

CH, as you might assume, I've dealt with tens of thousands of people (and their problems) in this hobby over the last almost 20 years. And I've probably sent more than a few nasty emails during those years, most of which were/are barely memorable, along with the people I sent them to. That I don't specifically remember a single, probably fairly insignificant, incident that happened many years ago is probably not cause for alarm. Quite honestly, I can barely remember what I had for breakfast! However, I would be interested in taking a look at the notes on this incident, since you claim to have insider knowledge on what happened with the client's P411 account and why, and have felt that posting your in depth knowledge publicly was called for. I'm just curious, because normally that wouldn't be information you (or anyone else) would be privy to. I'd like to take a look at the account to see if I can figure out why I brought you into my decision making process.

I'm pretty sure that "sharing the specifics" is what perpetuates gossip..... lol

I don't remember the incident being discussed, not even vaguely. I also don't see an old account for a Jordan Miller, to look at the notes. I'd be interested in taking a look at what happened if you could come up with something that would allow me to bring up the associated accounts, if for nothing other than shits and giggles. BTW, usually the giggles are because the person making the claims has no clue what really happened.

All I can say is that while I have absolutely no idea what exactly happened in this case, that is at least 50% (maybe more) of the complaints I get like this, the appointment wasn't even confirmed by the client (and therefore was never booked). The provider often THINKS the appointment is booked, and the client thinks his contact with the provider was just an inquiry..... Now as I said, I don't know the specifics of this situation. However, the client admitted he never even left his house so I'm betting it was a case of provider confusion/assumption about the appointment actually being confirmed, resulting in the desire to exact revenge.

It's up to the provider to make sure she gets paid, in full, up front. Failing to do so, and getting ripped off, is hopefully an expensive lesson learned. How about this.... instead of trying to act like a bad ass after getting screwed over, try acting like a professional from the get go. Screen your clients the best you can and get paid up front, like most providers (providers who don't get ripped off) do.

Fare well on your next journey..... thank you for being a part of this motley crew.

Yes, many providers have cancellation policies. Here is one example: https://www.preferred411.com/P28215 In my experience, providers who have cancellation policies run their business like a business. Which means they don't last minute cancel or no show... and if they absolutely must cancel, they handle it in a professional manner and take care of the client's inconvenience appropriately. Of course there are no guarantees that it can be collected. But it's a great way to weed out the looky loos and time wasters, prior to needing to collect. Legitimate, reputable clients don't want their reputations in the hobby damaged.... and if they aren't 100% sure they can make the appointment, they will not book if you have a cancellation fee. If you don't have a cancellation fee, you are effectively telling your clients that it's fine for them to cancel at the last minute, that there will be no repercussions. Yes, there are.

Through this business I learned that there was a bigger world out there. That there was more to life than a shitty prairie town and one bedroom house with way too many people living in it. Just because no one else had hope for a future greater than their own one bedroom house with too many people in it, didn't mean that I couldn't have bigger dreams I learned that I didn't have to settle for an ordinary life.... and it's been a wonderful, terrible, ride. (30 years as of this January! crikey!) I owe my entire education to my clients, to other providers, and even to the pimps, I met along the way.

Karma.

Reviews are hearsay, and it really doesn't matter what's written in them. There is no way to prove who wrote them (my friend/brother/dead uncle has used my computer!), or whether the information in them is true (shoot, I made all that junk up, I never even met her!) unless you have a statement from the reviewer say he wrote the review and the activities described did indeed take place. In which case, that statement could be used in court, not the review alone. What does matter is a person's involvement with the movements of people across state lines, for the purpose of committing a criminal act. There was nothing illegal about SoWet as a website, or about RT owning SoWet. However, if he was involved in the day to day operations of the spas and movements of the workers, they could pretty easily find something to charge him with. That doesn't mean he'll be found guilty of anything criminal though, either. Who knows, really....

My impression, from the girls I knew who made their start in the massage parlors, was that they knew perfectly well that playing the "trafficked victim" card during the inevitable raids was their ticket to gaining status in the US. I don't know anything for sure, of course. But that was my impression, and as soon as they got residency they were working as independents or co-operatives. Grown women are capable of making their own choices, bad and good. They are also capable of working the system to their advantage.

Rrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Figure out a fair cancellation policy, post it everywhere. Make sure your clients are aware of your cancellation policy at the time of booking. The clients who are flakes will find someone else to jerk around, and the number of cancellations you experience will be but a tiny fraction. Guaranteed.

Contact P411 if you need assistance.

Try a different browser... but you can also send a screen shot of what you are seeing, along with the device and browser you are using, and P411 can take a look.