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9 hours ago, johnnybgood said:

YES, VIP offer for Clients would be a great step, better content, filters, including BLOCK filters, more pics for the VIP member, maybe more erotic pics.

I'd be down for that!

 

This is a can of worms being opened, in my opinion. I have questions about his. The providers have control over what content they want released. Would TOB pay us for the VIP content we provide? Would the men have to pay to have VIP access? If the men do have to pay, does it all go to TOB? If it does then what would be the incentive for us to freely give more erotic content?? We all can get an OnlyFans. Would TOB pay us a higher percentage than OF would? We can all make a paywall for VIP access on our personal websites and get to keep the profits.

Then comes the legality of more erotic content. The age verification and 100% consent that the person releasing the content is legally allowing it. Let's say a woman wants to put up VIP content of her and another woman. Then both parties have to consent to having the content shared. https://onlyfans.com/transparency-center/consent This is the OF rules, but I would imagine TOB would have to have similar rules.

It is a very nice sounding concept for sure!  🤞  🤞  Fingers crossed TOB can make it happen :) 

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13 hours ago, Developer said:

Yes. But I think one of the admins who vets them has been out a bit longer than usual and is behind.

I would venture to say it's a whole lot behind 😁😁

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14 hours ago, Developer said:

Yes. But I think one of the admins who vets them haBehind!!Qs been out a bit longer than usual and is behind.

BEHIND!!! Ya might want to send out a search party soon. That person is defiantly on the lamb for something. ;) 

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7 hours ago, Caressa Duval said:

 

This is a can of worms being opened, in my opinion. I have questions about his. The providers have control over what content they want released. Would TOB pay us for the VIP content we provide? Would the men have to pay to have VIP access? If the men do have to pay, does it all go to TOB? If it does then what would be the incentive for us to freely give more erotic content?? We all can get an OnlyFans. Would TOB pay us a higher percentage than OF would? We can all make a paywall for VIP access on our personal websites and get to keep the profits.

Then comes the legality of more erotic content. The age verification and 100% consent that the person releasing the content is legally allowing it. Let's say a woman wants to put up VIP content of her and another woman. Then both parties have to consent to having the content shared. https://onlyfans.com/transparency-center/consent This is the OF rules, but I would imagine TOB would have to have similar rules.

It is a very nice sounding concept for sure!  🤞  🤞  Fingers crossed TOB can make it happen :) 

I think the general idea from a long time ago was for the providers to be “VIP” where they had more tools at their disposal. For example, the erotic photos could be a general idea. Right now, certain photos (I believe, it’s not my area of expertise) aren’t allowed, but a VIP provider could post those more erotic photos, and then much like references, share them to the client  in some fashion, like via a link that expires after viewing, Iike Snapchat or WhatsApp. Or store them in kind of like a “private” gallery where they choose who has access to it. Just an idea.

2 hours ago, Juanmotai said:

I would venture to say it's a whole lot behind 😁😁

70ish the last I seen :(.

 

1 hour ago, tide32 said:

BEHIND!!! Ya might want to send out a search party soon. That person is defiantly on the lamb for something. ;) 

I poked them. Hopefully they get caught up.

 

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I am still waiting on a review to post. Is it still gonna take eight days for those to go through?

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5 hours ago, Developer said:

I think the general idea from a long time ago was for the providers to be “VIP” where they had more tools at their disposal. For example, the erotic photos could be a general idea. Right now, certain photos (I believe, it’s not my area of expertise) aren’t allowed, but a VIP provider could post those more erotic photos, and then much like references, share them to the client  in some fashion, like via a link that expires after viewing, Iike Snapchat or WhatsApp. Or store them in kind of like a “private” gallery where they choose who has access it. Just an idea.

I understand wanting to bring more business to TOB. Again, my opinion only. Simplicity is the key. I can create an erotic gallery and videos in my Google drive, and share that link with a person that has passed my screening for free from both sides. (Please don't ask I won't). My website is right click protected and copyrighted. This is to prevent bot sites from taking my photos and creating ads on site I do not want to be on. I screen and verify age and TOB does not do this for men.

If the idea is to make the VIP a storage vault that sounds complicated to me both website wise and legally. This is going to sound like an old timer thing to say, but why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? In my experience, when men have access to the really naughty content they will watch that content, but not pay for an in person visit.

This is the age of content producers on social media. They speak in snippets and produce in brief videos.

If a man wants to see live action explicit content they can book a provider in person :) It would be nice to see TOB go national! It just can't be complicated. Again fingers crossed TOB can do it :)

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1 hour ago, Caressa Duval said:

 In my experience, when men have access to the really naughty content they will watch that content, but not pay for an in person visit

 

That's not my experience. I have had a few OF subscriptions. Most  have been with  with  companions with whom I subsubsequently booked sessions.  I used the content access as a preview/screening tool. With a couple exceptions I dropped the subscription after the first visit, but continued to see the companion. 

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1 hour ago, Caressa Duval said:

I understand wanting to bring more business to TOB. Again, my opinion only. Simplicity is the key. I can create an erotic gallery and videos in my Google drive, and share that link with a person that has passed my screening for free from both sides. (Please don't ask I won't). My website is right click protected and copyrighted. This is to prevent bot sites from taking my photos and creating ads on site I do not want to be on. I screen and verify age and TOB does not do this for men.

If the idea is to make the VIP a storage vault that sounds complicated to me both website wise and legally. This is going to sound like an old timer thing to say, but why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? In my experience, when men have access to the really naughty content they will watch that content, but not pay for an in person visit.

This is the age of content producers on social media. They speak in snippets and produce in brief videos.

If a man wants to see live action explicit content they can book a provider in person :) It would be nice to see TOB go national! It just can't be complicated. Again fingers crossed TOB can do it :)

This is the exact reason I dont sell content. Why put it in a video when the irl version is the best? To record a session with me requires a diabolical number. And an NDA because youre not about to post that anywhere without my knowledge. Have people agreed to it?.....sure. special mfs for sure 😂  tob going national would be a game changer. But would also come with lots of extra shit. New providers and clients who don't understand how to act at the coolest place on the internet. Lol

15 minutes ago, sb1212 said:

That's not my experience. I have had a few OF subscriptions. Most  have been with  with  companions with whom I subsubsequently booked sessions.  I used the content access as a preview/screening tool. With a couple exceptions I dropped the subscription after the first visit, but continued to see the companion. 

I get what youre saying too. But imo if guys will jack off while they text you.... they'll definitely watch your videos for $5 $10 $20....instead of paying hundreds to see you in person. Lol all that to say that I dont think this applies to everybody. Especially the guys here who have great connections with the ladies here. But tob is also not the norm.... lol 

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6 hours ago, Kali Sensual Reiki said:

I am still waiting on a review to post. Is it still gonna take eight days for those to go through?

Thank you for posting the review! In all honesty I think I have had reviews wait up to a month to be posted at times in the past

. @BriGuy may be new to TOB. However, he has been seeing me since 2016 I think? ❤️

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8 hours ago, sb1212 said:

That's not my experience. I have had a few OF subscriptions. Most  have been with  with  companions with whom I subsubsequently booked sessions.  I used the content access as a preview/screening tool. With a couple exceptions I dropped the subscription after the first visit, but continued to see the companion. 

You paid for the OnlyFans subscription that is the huge difference. The woman has already done the verification with OF and wants to sell content. So many men do not want a paper trail for anything here. I doubt any of the men here would want to pay for VIP access with bitcoin either, and this is how TOB takes payments.

What it sounds like TOB is wanting to do is provide this free to men, if we want to share a link with them. The providers would likely have to pay TOB for the upgrade to have a VIP gallery in hopes it would bring in more clients. Maybe they want to offer us the VIP gallery for free? 

It doesn't sound feasible for free, because someone on the TOB staff would have to monitor the content being shared in the galleries, and I don't think the staff here wants to work for free? I could be wrong...

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If I just wanted JO material there is plenty of that for free on the internet. I utilize TOB to fill a specific need for high quality, beautiful, talented companionship. Would I like more intimate online TOB content? Sure. Am I willing to pay for it?  Selectively, yes. Would access to that contest keep me from the real thing? No. It would encourage me to schedule time. 

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Thread cleaned up. Please stay on topic... it's important. There are many ideas/feedback, and both parties are equally important. Without one, there would not be the other....board ha. ha.

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8 hours ago, TheWhisperer said:

Thread cleaned up. Please stay on topic... it's important. There are many ideas/feedback, and both parties are equally important. Without one, there would not be the other....board ha. ha.

Thank you.

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On 5/2/2025 at 1:24 PM, ilovewomen said:

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I say the same about you.

If you’ve had me muted for years, how do you know I even posted and commented in your post?

 

Do I need to screenshot the my transactios?

The ad is $85

You have to buy bitcoin 

Then you have to pay to transfer bitcoin to TOB.

So yes it comes to $100 it's not a big jump. I can show you proof.  And I post on 6-10 Board's.  Advertisement is not cheap. Do you have p411? Or are you just on the Free Board's?

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On 5/3/2025 at 2:00 AM, Developer said:

What kind of verification? We can follow what other competitors do and make it so that it's based on providing selfie, etc. Also, just a quick note since it has been mentioned. We do not store or keep any of this information. Everything was verified during activation and then deleted/destroyed. Going forward, we'd like to use AI to do that, so verification can be quick. There are KYC apps/modules that verify someone who they are for vetting and so it doesn't have to be done manually. I personaly prefer manually myself... but that's not my decision, but what do you think?

Moderating ads is already on the radar. We know it has not been done because of past issues, and we're working on that.

For reviews. The idea is to take a slew of well written reviews and create 'keys' out of it. Like a review must contain xyz type of content and related and as the review is being written, you can have a progress bar show up with the details. If a reviewer say something like "Meg is aweome" and try to submit it. It could instantly fail and say "Your review is too short, you did not provide enough content about your experience." and then to keep it lawful, as they type and write into the review, certain words that are not allowed can be flagged and tell the client it must not contain xyz for whatever reason. This would take a lot of trial and error, but it's possible. It wouldn't happen overnight and would be a feature down the road.

We obviously want to keep reviews self written, it's not fun if AI does it. We just want to ensure that there is enough meat and potatoes in the review, while also not containing certain things. Feedback from clients in the past was to allow them to write reviews how raunchy they want, but only subscribers would see the raunchy version. Then the raunchy version could also be indexed to find providers who do certain acts and services. To be blunt, there are providers who state what services they do and don't offer, but then turn around and change this in private messages and during companionship. It can be mis leading to clients, too. We are all in this together.

I know we already have a rebuttal system, but an idea could be to have all reviews put into a provider's queue that are "yes" and they can be the ones to approve it and then TOB gets it for another approval, so they don't have to read through each one to eliminate time. We know it's already been vetted by the provider and they like it, so then we can post it. All reviews that are no, so-so etc can be manually verified. This still saves time.

As for requiring a reference before a review is submitted. I'm not sure on that one, again there was no edits to the review system. I suspect it's a learning opportunity for the new support staff and not knowing what should and should not be approved. This is why the idea mentioned earlier of flagging wrongful reviews and wrongful profiles can help this. Before, there was no one really dedicated to doing this full time, and now there is.
 

TYVM for welcoming EVERYONE'S input on this.

Whatever you do, do NOT lose sight of the fact, most clients will not submit RWID to hobby. It's just not that serious for the overwhelmingly married majority. And unless TOB owns the engine, AI cannot ever be trusted with confidential information. #PatriotAct

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3 hours ago, Mister Lovah said:

TYVM for welcoming EVERYONE'S input on this.

Whatever you do, do NOT lose sight of the fact, most clients will not submit RWID to hobby. It's just not that serious for the overwhelmingly married majority. And unless TOB owns the engine, AI cannot ever be trusted with confidential information. #PatriotAct

I have to provide RWID to advertise, but I fully understand the reasons. It is up to us providers to screen how we wish when it comes downs to it. I know men have no problems sending me real world information to see me and many other providers. I am not sure how would feel if I were a man providing ID to a known escort website. I remember the entire Ashley Madison outings.

As for AI doing the screening I already do not like that! The IRS and many other government agencies are using ID.me to verify your identity, and I just had a doctor's office using the same technology to access my medical records. Nothing about using my phone to take the ID photo, and then hold it for a face picture feels safe at all. The verification is instant so AI is definitely being used.

I know TOB has stated in the past after our ID is sent in and we are verified, they delete that information. Is this still true? If so, is the information manually deleted by a person or does AI do it?

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6 hours ago, Mister Lovah said:

TYVM for welcoming EVERYONE'S input on this.

Whatever you do, do NOT lose sight of the fact, most clients will not submit RWID to hobby. It's just not that serious for the overwhelmingly married majority. And unless TOB owns the engine, AI cannot ever be trusted with confidential information. #PatriotAct

There would not be anything confidential sent to AI. It would more or less look at what is written in a review to see if it's compliant or not. For example, there's been talks if reviews should or should not contain acts of service in the review. AI could theoretically read it and go "okay, this contains service A, service B, service C. and then can do multiple things.

Let the reviewer know it's there, and they must edit it
Hide it where you must click on it to unhide it.
Remove it entirely
Modify it automatically with the removal of those services.

As for how AI works, it's actually safe from a developer's footprint. We use API's and can create our own LLM's that are interally to our servers, the logic of 'how' it's done is using another AI, but it never actually talks to that AI's servers, it's just the underlying logic. We aren't here to do super complicated things like have AI in healthcare trained on milllions of model sets to find out if you have cancer or anything. It's simply looking at a review, or an ad listing to see if it's compliant so that way it protects you, protects the provider, and protects TOB.
 

3 hours ago, Caressa Duval said:

I have to provide RWID to advertise, but I fully understand the reasons. It is up to us providers to screen how we wish when it comes downs to it. I know men have no problems sending me real world information to see me and many other providers. I am not sure how would feel if I were a man providing ID to a known escort website. I remember the entire Ashley Madison outings.

As for AI doing the screening I already do not like that! The IRS and many other government agencies are using ID.me to verify your identity, and I just had a doctor's office using the same technology to access my medical records. Nothing about using my phone to take the ID photo, and then hold it for a face picture feels safe at all. The verification is instant so AI is definitely being used.

I know TOB has stated in the past after our ID is sent in and we are verified, they delete that information. Is this still true? If so, is the information manually deleted by a person or does AI do it?

I know all about ID.me - it's similar, but if we did something like this, it wouldn't be that indepth, it would more or less look at the photo and check it for accuracy to see if they're legitimate based on your application.

This is 'theory' but here's the concept behind it. You have to do KYC (Know Your Customer) and there are many levels of this, ours is not much. It's just to verify mostly that you're of legal age. AI could just simply make sure your selfie, ID match in accuracy. It could go more extreme and, in your application, it could theoretically crawl your social media presence that you posted links to, like tryst etc to also see if accuracy matches... and then that's it. The good thing about this is, it can do it encrypted, and no one has access to it other than "Yes" you are valid or "NO" you are not or "Maybe" because you covered your face in your hobby, and it needs manual verification. Even this reduces hands on, and less people know of you and puts you in a safer step because it's not stored vs's everything requiring hands on verification and then stored somewhere that someone could eventually get a hold of.

I know a lot of people are afraid of it, and I'm not biased, but I know the ins and outs of what limitations it has and what we can do to help keep everyone safe in this hobby. But I don't think it's that useful yet for our needs and volume, maybe if we went national and had 1000's of applications a day... sure.

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18 hours ago, Caressa Duval said:

I have to provide RWID to advertise, but I fully understand the reasons. It is up to us providers to screen how we wish when it comes downs to it. I know some men have no problems sending me real world information to see me and many other providers. I am not sure how would feel if I were a man providing ID to a known escort website. I remember the entire Ashley Madison outings.

As for AI doing the screening I already do not like that! The IRS and many other government agencies are using ID.me to verify your identity, and I just had a doctor's office using the same technology to access my medical records. Nothing about using my phone to take the ID photo, and then hold it for a face picture feels safe at all. The verification is instant so AI is definitely being used.

I know TOB has stated in the past after our ID is sent in and we are verified, they delete that information. Is this still true? If so, is the information manually deleted by a person or does AI do it?

THANK YOU!

Knowing most men won't and some have had real problems with RWID's finding a way to bite ya in the dick, I #fixeditforya.

Speaking of ID.me, etc. I was today years old learning, where the Men In Black can force you to, oh, open your biometrically locked phone, think, face recognition/thumbprint, they can NOT force you to cough up that PIN. Just sayin.

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15 hours ago, Developer said:

There would not be anything confidential sent to AI. It would more or less look at what is written in a review to see if it's compliant or not. For example, there's been talks if reviews should or should not contain acts of service in the review. AI could theoretically read it and go "okay, this contains service A, service B, service C. and then can do multiple things.

Let the reviewer know it's there, and they must edit it
Hide it where you must click on it to unhide it.
Remove it entirely
Modify it automatically with the removal of those services.

As for how AI works, it's actually safe from a developer's footprint. We use API's and can create our own LLM's that are interally to our servers, the logic of 'how' it's done is using another AI, but it never actually talks to that AI's servers, it's just the underlying logic. We aren't here to do super complicated things like have AI in healthcare trained on milllions of model sets to find out if you have cancer or anything. It's simply looking at a review, or an ad listing to see if it's compliant so that way it protects you, protects the provider, and protects TOB.
 

I know all about ID.me - it's similar, but if we did something like this, it wouldn't be that indepth, it would more or less look at the photo and check it for accuracy to see if they're legitimate based on your application.

This is 'theory' but here's the concept behind it. You have to do KYC (Know Your Customer) and there are many levels of this, ours is not much. It's just to verify mostly that you're of legal age. AI could just simply make sure your selfie, ID match in accuracy. It could go more extreme and, in your application, it could theoretically crawl your social media presence that you posted links to, like tryst etc to also see if accuracy matches... and then that's it. The good thing about this is, it can do it encrypted, and no one has access to it other than "Yes" you are valid or "NO" you are not or "Maybe" because you covered your face in your hobby, and it needs manual verification. Even this reduces hands on, and less people know of you and puts you in a safer step because it's not stored vs's everything requiring hands on verification and then stored somewhere that someone could eventually get a hold of.

I know a lot of people are afraid of it, and I'm not biased, but I know the ins and outs of what limitations it has and what we can do to help keep everyone safe in this hobby. But I don't think it's that useful yet for our needs and volume, maybe if we went national and had 1000's of applications a day... sure.

Good stuff. Thanks again.

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Just FYI, whatever change is causing this code to run often results in losing a post being drafted. Noticing it happens after a long interval, I'm training myself to draft in a separate document to then cut and paste when ready.

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31 minutes ago, Mister Lovah said:

Just FYI, whatever change is causing this code to run often results in losing a post being drafted. Noticing it happens after a long interval, I'm training myself to draft in a separate document to then cut and paste when ready.

Screenshot 2025-05-17 083750.png

What is this from?" I don't recognize this on TOB...

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On 5/17/2025 at 4:01 PM, Developer said:

What is this from?" I don't recognize this on TOB...

Perhaps browser specific, it only happens when logged in to TOB.

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 I am just gonna say it bothers me, and I don’t know if this happens to other ladies on here, but if I pay my ad early, the time starts ticking right then and there. I don’t get credited for paying early, like on other advertising platforms, which have credited me in the past.. Also, where did the trash bin go to delete? I know one thing. Using the backspace button is difficult and tedious for me… so is cut and paste. I sure would like that little trashcan again. 

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22 hours ago, Kali Sensual Reiki said:

 I am just gonna say it bothers me, and I don’t know if this happens to other ladies on here, but if I pay my ad early, the time starts ticking right then and there. I don’t get credited for paying early, like on other advertising platforms, which have credited me in the past.. Also, where did the trash bin go to delete? I know one thing. Using the backspace button is difficult and tedious for me… so is cut and paste. I sure would like that little trashcan again. 

This has been addressed on the update for quality-of-life improvement that I hope to release over the next few months. It's one of many things that when it was originally built was not part of the thought process and we live and learn how to do better going forward.


 

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3 hours ago, Developer said:




 

Did it take you a whole day to address this issue here? Also, again, what about the trash bin? I am not asking, and really, I think this would be an easy fix for someone like you, @Developer.. I paid last night about an hour before I owed again, and I was so tired that I could not make it to midnight to pay.. When I first started, my original due date was the 31st. I find it. Intresting how my due date keeps creeping. I have not checked today to see my next due date, but it would not surprise me if it now claims I owe on June 20th because that’s how you roll with me. I am just one companion who tries my best not to rock the boat as well as being consistent with supporting TOB. It feels like I am often being punished by continuing to support you. Are a few other little things that disturb me with how your platform is handled would be nice if some changes were made, on the Companion side of issue's SOON PLEASE.,

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7 hours ago, Kali Sensual Reiki said:

Did it take you a whole day to address this issue here? Also, again, what about the trash bin? I am not asking, and really, I think this would be an easy fix for someone like you, @Developer.. I paid last night about an hour before I owed again, and I was so tired that I could not make it to midnight to pay.. When I first started, my original due date was the 31st. I find it. Interesting how my due date keeps creeping. I have not checked today to see my next due date, but it would not surprise me if it now claims I owe on June 20th because that’s how you roll with me. I am just one companion who tries my best not to rock the boat as well as being consistent with supporting TOB. It feels like I am often being punished by continuing to support you. Are a few other little things that disturb me with how your platform is handled would be nice if some changes were made, on the Companion side of issue's SOON PLEASE.,

I'm not sure what you quoted, it does not show for me. Which issue to address what?

The advertisements I believe are on a 30-day time period, there are more 31 days in a month than 30, yes your time will creep. If there is 31 days in a month, and you paid, it would be a day earlier based on the month cycle. Kali, this is not "rolled with you" or anyone. It's not like there is logic built into the site to have targeted events at specific people.  Simply, advertisements that are purchased are Date/Time + 30 days. What also throws a small wrench into this is Bitcoin. It is not like a credit card and instantaneous (we all wish that). Sometimes it can be several hours before BTC transfers and thus your time can be impacted by that. We have taken the risk on our end and confirm a payment once we see the transaction, but this can still take seconds to minutes to hours for the transaction to appear and there's nothing any of us can do about it.

I am not sure about the trash can icon... you are saying it was there and now it is not? Is this on mobile, or on desktop? I do not control the forums and just post here.

I don't know how you can feel like you are being punished, you can kindly share the few other little things so that we are all aware of it.



 

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So @Developer when I make my monthly payment. If i decide to pay a day or two in advance, my 30 days gets adjusted to a new date and time. My billing time is for the 21st of the month will then become 20th and I lose a day of advertising. Because I paid on the 20th instead of the 2st. So no I don’t get a full 30 days of advertising. 

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2 hours ago, Kali Sensual Reiki said:

So @Developer when I make my monthly payment. If i decide to pay a day or two in advance, my 30 days gets adjusted to a new date and time. My billing time is for the 21st of the month will then become 20th and I lose a day of advertising. Because I paid on the 20th instead of the 2st. So no I don’t get a full 30 days of advertising. 

I just reviewed all the code for this and I want to clear up how ad expiration works.

When you pay for a 30-day plan, you do get the full 30 days — but the timing depends on when you pay and what time zone the server uses (which is UTC, not Denver time).

For example:
If you pay on May 21 at 5:57 AM UTC, your ad will expire on June 20 at 7:30 AM UTC — that's 30 days and then some. So technically, nothing’s getting cut short.

But here’s where it gets confusing:
If you paid at 11:57 PM Denver time on the 20th, the server thinks it’s already the 21st. So it starts your new 30 days from there. Over time, if you keep paying later at night, that start time slowly shifts — and it looks like your due date is creeping earlier, even though you’re still getting the full 30 days.

What I can do is change this 10 year old code so that it always looks at your local time, this was an oversight by any other developers that TOB employed when I was not around where the servers were all moved overseas.

I also just checked your payment history and can confirm that you've received all your time accordingly, I am happy to send you all the history if you'd like, let me know and I'll send it over in a PM or have support send it to you.

 

 



 

 

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As for the trash bin it used to be far right next to the. hour glass and paper. 

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2 hours ago, Kali Sensual Reiki said:

So @Developer when I make my monthly payment. If i decide to pay a day or two in advance, my 30 days gets adjusted to a new date and time. My billing time is for the 21st of the month will then become 20th and I lose a day of advertising. Because I paid on the 20th instead of the 2st. So no I don’t get a full 30 days of advertising. 

I end up losing advertising days if  I pay on the 20th and my ad is due on the 21st so I end up losing a day of advertising. So in reality it’s not 30 days of advertising. 

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