apparently men’s underwear sales are down :(

[The Divorce Coach ~]

and also beer sales according to the university of Denver ?

read this article over on the E and thought i'd share here.
are we headed into a recession?

from the article “Guys only skip replacing underwear when they’re worried about money,”
.....i learned something new as i didn't know there was a financial emotional connection between men and their underwear and their money. who knew?

and ladies, i never thought our dress/skirt hemlines spoke volumes to the guys. who knew? lol
and here i was today with an ankle length dress on. i never paid any attention to the mixed hemline signal i was giving off....
but my titties were tittying (mucho cleavage) so i thought i was good since i got a couple winks

article source: huffpost 4/11

[sb1212]

Maybe more if us are going  commando....

[MeganMarie4u]

1 hour ago, sb1212 said:

Maybe more if us are going  commando....

Shit that's what im saying.... honestly what's the point of them? 😂 you cant tell me that piece of dental floss or baggy ass boxers are beneficial. 

[Bit Banger]

11 hours ago, sb1212 said:

Maybe more if us are going  commando....

“Regimental” if you please.  Or as the kilt judge at the Renaissance Faire said, “Are ye true?”  You could have a lady in the audience vouch for you, or she’d check.  I let her check. 😁

[gr8owl]

Despite the title to the thread, the article is not about underwear sales other than an indicator of whether we are heading into a recession.  I would suggest those making comments about underwear take the time and go read the article.  It is about sex workers noticing a real slow down in business in the last few months and then citing several non-standard indicators of a possible recession.  The market for sex worker services and the possibility of recession I would say are well worth a serious discussion and presumably important to most here, clients and providers alike.  That said of course underwear sales are down.  When people see their investments in the stock market and the bond market cratering and their retirement fund vaporizing with new asinine chaos everyday driving it they tend to pull back on spending - hey, make the underwear last another 6 months!  But also forget expensive vacations, new car, expensive vacations, frequent visits to favorite sex worker etc.  Yes, we are absolutely headed for a recession if the chaos driving it does not abate soon.  That and how it is effecting sex workers is the important take away.  The underwear index along with all the other non-standard indicators discussed lend a touch of light humor to the very serious and depressing subject.   

So: What are you going to cut back on or have you already?  One of the last things I will cut back on is seeing favorite ladies because that makes the rest seem a little better and makes it more bearable.  Now if I could just get the electrical and plumbing and medical needs to just take a break .......  Anyway, y'all can go back to snickering about underwear and kilts, but that wasn't really the point.  At least I don't think so.

[MeganMarie4u]

29 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

Despite the title to the thread, the article is not about underwear sales other than an indicator of whether we are heading into a recession.  I would suggest those making comments about underwear take the time and go read the article.  It is about sex workers noticing a real slow down in business in the last few months and then citing several non-standard indicators of a possible recession.  The market for sex worker services and the possibility of recession I would say are well worth a serious discussion and presumably important to most here, clients and providers alike.  That said of course underwear sales are down.  When people see their investments in the stock market and the bond market cratering and their retirement fund vaporizing with new asinine chaos everyday driving it they tend to pull back on spending - hey, make the underwear last another 6 months!  But also forget expensive vacations, new car, expensive vacations, frequent visits to favorite sex worker etc.  Yes, we are absolutely headed for a recession if the chaos driving it does not abate soon.  That and how it is effecting sex workers is the important take away.  The underwear index along with all the other non-standard indicators discussed lend a touch of light humor to the very serious and depressing subject.   

So: What are you going to cut back on or have you already?  One of the last things I will cut back on is seeing favorite ladies because that makes the rest seem a little better and makes it more bearable.  Now if I could just get the electrical and plumbing and medical needs to just take a break .......  Anyway, y'all can go back to snickering about underwear and kilts, but that wasn't really the point.  At least I don't think so.

I obviously didn't read the article.... but from personal experience I would disagree. Ive been consistently busy this year even when I dont travel. I also hit the prime age of 35 in December so maybe that's a contributing factor. Either way. Sorry if I offended you by not reading it. I saw the commando comment and didn't read into it much 😂

[Caressa Duval]

35 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

Despite the title to the thread, the article is not about underwear sales other than an indicator of whether we are heading into a recession.  I would suggest those making comments about underwear take the time and go read the article.  It is about sex workers noticing a real slow down in business in the last few months and then citing several non-standard indicators of a possible recession.  The market for sex worker services and the possibility of recession I would say are well worth a serious discussion and presumably important to most here, clients and providers alike.  That said of course underwear sales are down.  When people see their investments in the stock market and the bond market cratering and their retirement fund vaporizing with new asinine chaos everyday driving it they tend to pull back on spending - hey, make the underwear last another 6 months!  But also forget expensive vacations, new car, expensive vacations, frequent visits to favorite sex worker etc.  Yes, we are absolutely headed for a recession if the chaos driving it does not abate soon.  That and how it is effecting sex workers is the important take away.  The underwear index along with all the other non-standard indicators discussed lend a touch of light humor to the very serious and depressing subject.   

So: What are you going to cut back on or have you already?  One of the last things I will cut back on is seeing favorite ladies because that makes the rest seem a little better and makes it more bearable.  Now if I could just get the electrical and plumbing and medical needs to just take a break .......  Anyway, y'all can go back to snickering about underwear and kilts, but that wasn't really the point.  At least I don't think so.

I would agree with all of this, and appreciate @The Divorce Coach ~ for bringing it up for discussion. I feel sex workers have always been aware of smaller economic stressors on clients; holidays, tax time, youngsters going back to school college ect. The past few months has been a big stressor on men. There has been loss of government jobs, loss of IRAs and stocks, and looming threats on SS. Many of my guys are on a social security retirement fixed income. I know how hard they save to see me ❤️

I have spoken to many long-standing quality providers across the country over the past few months. They are all seeing a decline in business. As another well known provider would say here, "P***Y has always been a luxury item". Luxury expenses are the first to go when you have families to support. We are an investment and I never forget that when I meet a man.  I know how hard they work to share an hour or more with me.

What can we do to help? Make every visit a break from reality for them, let them relax, or vent if they need to, and most importantly, do not take it personally if a regular needs to cut back on visits. Understanding goes a long way in our hobby friendships. 

[Mister Lovah]

22 hours ago, gr8owl said:

Despite the title to the thread, the article is not about underwear sales other than an indicator of whether we are heading into a recession.  I would suggest those making comments about underwear take the time and go read the article.  It is about sex workers noticing a real slow down in business in the last few months and then citing several non-standard indicators of a possible recession.  The market for sex worker services and the possibility of recession I would say are well worth a serious discussion and presumably important to most here, clients and providers alike.  That said of course underwear sales are down.  When people see their investments in the stock market and the bond market cratering and their retirement fund vaporizing with new asinine chaos everyday driving it they tend to pull back on spending - hey, make the underwear last another 6 months!  But also forget expensive vacations, new car, expensive vacations, frequent visits to favorite sex worker etc.  Yes, we are absolutely headed for a recession if the chaos driving it does not abate soon.  That and how it is effecting sex workers is the important take away.  The underwear index along with all the other non-standard indicators discussed lend a touch of light humor to the very serious and depressing subject.   

So: What are you going to cut back on or have you already?  One of the last things I will cut back on is seeing favorite ladies because that makes the rest seem a little better and makes it more bearable.  Now if I could just get the electrical and plumbing and medical needs to just take a break .......  Anyway, y'all can go back to snickering about underwear and kilts, but that wasn't really the point.  At least I don't think so.

Lighten up bud. What we learned from the tariffs no tariffs game of chicken that got an 8% gain overnight for the top income-earners and a haircut for the rest of us and higher prices is sometimes you laugh to keep from crying. And far too many believe everything they see and read except for the truth.

According to Ted Kavadas at economicgreenfield.com, there is currently about a 20% probability of a recession. I'm no economist but that seems very low. So why the uncertainty. Market manipulation to benefit the mega-rich. They spend no matter what.

[gr8owl]

27 minutes ago, Mister Lovah said:

Lighten up bud. What we learned from the tariffs no tariffs game of chicken that got an 8% gain overnight for the top income-earners and a haircut for the rest of us and higher prices is sometimes you laugh to keep from crying. And far too many believe everything they see and read except for the truth.

According to Ted Kavadas at economicgreenfield.com, there is currently about a 20% probability of a recession. I'm no economist but that seems very low. So why the uncertainty. Market manipulation to benefit the mega-rich. They spend no matter what.

Lighten up? You mean quit stating facts?  Why?  And I have no idea who "economicgreenfield" is but the Wall Street Journal, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and many others rate the probability as anywhere from 40 to 60 percent.  None of which was the point - is the chaos and uncertainty of a possible recession causing a slow down in sex worker business and what else if anything is everyone cutting back on was the topic. Bud? OK, pal.

Edited April 14 by gr8owl

[gr8owl]

22 hours ago, MeganMarie4u said:

I obviously didn't read the article.... but from personal experience I would disagree. Ive been consistently busy this year even when I dont travel. I also hit the prime age of 35 in December so maybe that's a contributing factor. Either way. Sorry if I offended you by not reading it. I saw the commando comment and didn't read into it much 😂

I was not offended lol.  Simply pointing out the topic is important enough that perhaps you and others should read the story in the link and not think it is about underwear.. Just a suggestion.  Glad your business is booming.

[Kaduk]

 

[MeganMarie4u]

23 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

I was not offended lol.  Simply pointing out the topic is important enough that perhaps you and others should read the story in the link and not think it is about underwear.. Just a suggestion.  Glad your business is booming.

I don't often get involved in the really serious matters because I just like to lighten the mood and talk some shit.  You're right. I should pay closer attention to the original post.  Thanks for the insight❤️

[Mister Lovah]

2 hours ago, gr8owl said:

Lighten up? You mean quit stating facts?  Why?  And I have no idea who "economicgreenfield" is but the Wall Street Journal, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and many others rate the probability as anywhere from 40 to 60 percent.  None of which was the point - is the chaos and uncertainty of a possible recession causing a slow down in sex worker business and what else if anything is everyone cutting back on was the topic. Bud? OK, pal.

Well!

Again, economicgreenfield.com is a what, and Ted Kavadas is the who (economist) behind an accurate newsletter I've been relying on since the March 2020 master class in making stupid do what stupid does taught us it's that there's lots and lots of money to be made in fear and panic. And sex. But I digress. Creating buying opportunities most of us can't even imagine, fast forward 5 years and the "sheople" reacting to a tariff war is exactly what they imagined and then some. The "markets" did exactly what they wanted them to do and then some. So as for what the Journal, JPM, Sachs, and others have to say. And? It's not like thinking folks don't know creating a crisis to fix creates profitable conditions. Just saying.

Check out the FRED data chart showing a <1% probability of a major downturn here https://www.economicgreenfield.com/2025/04/10/chicago-fed-national-financial-conditions-index-nfci-433/ below. Having read this one, https://www.economicgreenfield.com/2025/04/13/the-april-2025-wall-street-journal-economic-forecast-survey/, I prompted ChatGPT as follows:

"based on the economic forecasts below, what is the probability of a u.s. or global recession?"

Economic Forecasts

The current average forecasts among economists polled include the following:

GDP:

full-year 2025:  .78%

full-year 2026:  1.83%

full-year 2027:  2.12%

Unemployment Rate:

December 2025: 4.69%

December 2026: 4.59%

December 2027: 4.35%

10-Year Treasury Yield:

December 2025: 4.08%

December 2026: 4.10%

December 2027: 4.12%

CPI:

December 2025:  3.58%

December 2026:  2.61%

December 2027:  2.42%

Core PCE:

full-year 2025:  3.52%

full-year 2026:  2.59%

full-year 2027:  2.36%

(note: I have highlighted this WSJ Economic Forecast survey each time it is published; it was published monthly until April 2021, after which the survey is conducted (at least) every three months; commentary on past surveys can be found under the “Economic Forecasts” category)

*****************************************

Here's what it had to say:

Based on the economic forecasts you've provided, the probability of a U.S. or global recession in the near term (especially 2025) appears elevated but not definitive. Let’s break this down:

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📉 1. GDP Growth

• 2025: 0.78%

• 2026: 1.83%

• 2027: 2.12%

Interpretation:

• A sub-1% GDP forecast for 2025 signals very sluggish growth, bordering on stall speed.

• While not negative, it's low enough that a modest shock (e.g., financial stress, policy error, geopolitical tension) could tip the economy into contraction.

This supports a moderate recession risk in 2025.

---

👷‍♂️ Unemployment Rate

• 2025: 4.69%

• 2026: 4.59%

• 2027: 4.35%

Interpretation:

• Gradual decline in unemployment suggests continued labor market strength.

• No spike indicates economists aren’t currently pricing in a significant downturn.

This leans against a severe recession.

---

💰 10-Year Treasury Yield

• Stays around 4.08%–4.12%

Interpretation:

• Steady yields imply markets don’t expect aggressive rate cuts, which would normally happen during or ahead of a sharp recession.

• Yields above 4% suggest persistent inflation concerns, not a deflationary bust.

This aligns with a soft landing or stagflation, not a deep recession.

---

📈 Inflation (CPI & Core PCE)

• CPI gradually falls from 3.58% → 2.42%

• Core PCE similarly declines from 3.52% → 2.36%

Interpretation:

• Inflation is moderating, which gives the Fed room to ease if needed.

• No signs of deflation suggest no deep demand collapse.

This scenario is consistent with disinflation, not a hard landing.

---

📊 Recession Probability Estimate

• Economists and models (like those from the NY Fed or Bloomberg) typically define a recession as at least two quarters of negative GDP or a sharp rise in unemployment. You're not seeing either clearly predicted here.

• Based on the numbers you shared, the implied risk of a technical recession in 2025 is likely around 25%–35%, not base-case, but higher than normal.

---

🧠 Summary

Factor	Signal	Recession Risk
GDP 2025 @ 0.78%	Weak	🔺 Elevated
Unemployment	Stable to improving	🔻 Low
10-Yr Yield	Steady, high	🔺 Cautionary
Inflation	Moderating	🔻 Soft landing
Overall	Sluggish growth but no crash signals	⚠️ ~25–35% chance of recession

---

If you’re a policymaker, investor, or business operator, you’d want to prepare for a low-growth, high-uncertainty 2025, but not necessarily a deep contraction.

*******************************

On the other hand. If you're an armchair economist and professional pussy licker, you might try turning off msm and getting some air while it's cleaner than it's been at anytime in the last 50 years because fuck an ozone layer.

[Mustang87]

I've been rotating through the same 6-8 pairs of boxers for longer than I care to admit. In fact, pretty sure I've purchased at least 4-5 cars since the last time I bought new underwear. Might be time I start doing my part, and hit the apartment store. 

[Mustang87]

4 hours ago, MeganMarie4u said:

I don't often get involved in the really serious matters because I just like to lighten the mood and talk some shit.  You're right. I should pay closer attention to the original post.  Thanks for the insight❤️

I actually did read the original post, although not the article. But I've been looking for a chance to share that car-boxer shorts antidote for quite a while. I saw my chance, and I took it. Given the same set of circumstances in the future, I'd do it again. 

[MeganMarie4u]

1 hour ago, Mustang87 said:

I actually did read the original post, although not the article. But I've been looking for a chance to share that car-boxer shorts antidote for quite a while. I saw my chance, and I took it. Given the same set of circumstances in the future, I'd do it again. 

Sir. Please buy yourself some new boxers.... its time. 😂😂😂😂 

No better time than the present..... 

But also I feel like this is just the life men live..... sometimes when people undress I wanna question why they can afford the hobby but not $50 for a new underwear lineup....😂 men's boxers are also definitely cheaper than the dental floss I was talking about they tell women are underwear...😂

 

Edited April 14 by MeganMarie4u

[Mustang87]

On 4/14/2025 at 4:35 PM, MeganMarie4u said:

Sir. Please buy yourself some new boxers.... its time. 😂😂😂😂 

No better time than the present..... 

But also I feel like this is just the life men live..... sometimes when people undress I wanna question why they can afford the hobby but not $50 for a new underwear lineup....😂 men's boxers are also definitely cheaper than the dental floss I was talking about they tell women are underwear...😂

 

Two of the pairs disappeared, possibly disintegrated in the wash. But I think I can get a couple more rounds out of the remaining pairs. 

[Bit Banger]

Don’t forget, you can get twice the wear out of them if you turn them inside-out when they get smeared.

😱😱😁🥴

[sb1212]

On 4/14/2025 at 6:35 PM, MeganMarie4u said:

Sir. Please buy yourself some new boxers.... its time. 😂😂😂😂 

No better time than the present..... 

But also I feel like this is just the life men live..... sometimes when people undress I wanna question why they can afford the hobby but not $50 for a new underwear lineup....😂 men's boxers are also definitely cheaper than the dental floss I was talking about they tell women are underwear...😂

 

When I am in hobby mode I almost always go commando. Easy access is the name of the game.....

[MeganMarie4u]

You guys are really just too much....😂

[FuriousWeasel]

On 4/16/2025 at 0:16 PM, Bit Banger said:

Don’t forget, you can get twice the wear out of them if you turn them inside-out when they get smeared.

😱😱😁🥴

Just like condoms then?

[Mustang87]

Ok, but here lies the rub.  I'm a 34/35 waist.  Boxers come in medium, 32/34 or Large, 36/38.  Just don't know where I fit in anymore.  Any people wonder why guys don't buy new underwear. 

[MeganMarie4u]

3 hours ago, Mustang87 said:

Ok, but here lies the rub.  I'm a 34/35 waist.  Boxers come in medium, 32/34 or Large, 36/38.  Just don't know where I fit in anymore.  Any people wonder why guys don't buy new underwear. 

I guess its up to you to decide between slightly baggy or slightly snug..... lol

[Mustang87]

46 minutes ago, MeganMarie4u said:

I guess its up to you to decide between slightly baggy or slightly snug..... lol

Unfortunately, I took a third option. 

[coolhand luke]

5 hours ago, Mustang87 said:

Ok, but here lies the rub.  I'm a 34/35 waist.  Boxers come in medium, 32/34 or Large, 36/38.  Just don't know where I fit in anymore.  Any people wonder why guys don't buy new underwear. 

same boat.  don't really like snug or baggy so commando for me most of the time unless it is really cold.  gotta keep the boys happy.

[FuriousWeasel]

22 hours ago, Mustang87 said:

Ok, but here lies the rub.  I'm a 34/35 waist.  Boxers come in medium, 32/34 or Large, 36/38.  Just don't know where I fit in anymore.  Any people wonder why guys don't buy new underwear. 

Sounds like you need to have a few large cheese steaks, maybe a coconut cream pie.  That'll get you up to the 36 easy enough!

[Mustang87]

On 4/19/2025 at 1:44 PM, FuriousWeasel said:

Sounds like you need to have a few large cheese steaks, maybe a coconut cream pie.  That'll get you up to the 36 easy enough!

Well, putting on 30 pounds is one way to go.  But I think I stumbled across a better way. I found that if I pull the underwear way up, almost to my armpits, they then seem to fit pretty well. Thinking of getting some shorts the same size to cover the underwer. Then I'll complete the look with some sandles and dress socks.  I'm working on a whole new look. Can't understand why no one else has come up with this before!

[Mustang87]

Just now, Mustang87 said:

Well, putting on 30 pounds is one way to go.  But I think I stumbled across a better way. I found that if I pull the underwear way up, almost to my armpits, they then seem to fit pretty well. Thinking of getting some shorts the same size to cover the underwer. Then I'll complete the look with some sandles and dress socks.  I'm working on a whole new look. Can't understand why no one else has come up with this before!

Or maybe I'll just go back to the old, wore out underwear.  Tough choice.