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Bit Banger

A new twist on Deposits

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Next up government issued ID's and phone records .

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1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

The word "deposit" does not even appear in the story.  But I guess you are also saying don't use a phone to make appointments?

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It always goes back to research research research.  It doesn't appear as deposits.  It appears that's what they were paying for the service.... but do you think they applied those 50 and 80 amounts to their bond? 

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16 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

The word "deposit" does not even appear in the story.  But I guess you are also saying don't use a phone to make appointments?

Granted, the word “deposit” does not appear in the article.  But “ paid $80 and also failed to meet the undercover, the affidavit shows.” sure smells like a deposit to me.

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15 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Granted, the word “deposit” does not appear in the article.  But “ paid $80 and also failed to meet the undercover, the affidavit shows.” sure smells like a deposit to me.

Granted it probably was a deposit - or cheap rates on a QV.  But my point is the problem is being dumb enough to respond to a sting ad.  It would be interesting to know where the ads were placed.  Once contact was made and texts, emails, smoke signals, whatever mode of communication made mention of $$ and an appointment was agreed upon they were toast - with or without a deposit.  The best protection against getting busted is as Meagan noted, research, research. No posting history, no reviews, sounds too good to be true ..... do NOT even contact by any means, move on.  I know many will want to make it about deposits but the problem is way bigger than deposits.  Deposits are a MUCH bigger issue with scammers than LE.  Again, if you (general, not literally you) are going to play the game educate yourself as to scammers, LE, etc. and what reputable, legit providers look like in history, ads, reviews, the whole picture. Just refusing to do deposits will not save you.  (Just to be clear, for the record I have never paid a deposit in decades of game)

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4 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

Granted it probably was a deposit - or cheap rates on a QV.  But my point is the problem is being dumb enough to respond to a sting ad.  It would be interesting to know where the ads were placed.  Once contact was made and texts, emails, smoke signals, whatever mode of communication made mention of $$ and an appointment was agreed upon they were toast - with or without a deposit.  The best protection against getting busted is as Meagan noted, research, research. No posting history, no reviews, sounds too good to be true ..... do NOT even contact by any means, move on.  I know many will want to make it about deposits but the problem is way bigger than deposits.  Deposits are a MUCH bigger issue with scammers than LE.  Again, if you (general, not literally you) are going to play the game educate yourself as to scammers, LE, etc. and what reputable, legit providers look like in history, ads, reviews, the whole picture. Just refusing to do deposits will not save you.  (Just to be clear, for the record I have never paid a deposit in decades of game)

There are plenty of guys who won't pay a deposit..... but my biggest issue is running into guys who think im giving up my whole reputation and running off into the sunset with $50... 20k followers on Twitter. P411 verified and reviews spanning the entire internet....and I'm still called a scammer.

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Research, research, research!

Agreed! But down here we don’t really have the resources (TOB, etc) for research. Probably the best bet is to cross the border and visit a strip club/brothel. 🥴

The scary part of the article was getting charged for reaching out on the phone and agreeing to a session, but not following through by showing up.

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1 hour ago, MeganMarie4u said:

There are plenty of guys who won't pay a deposit..... but my biggest issue is running into guys who think im giving up my whole reputation and running off into the sunset with $50... 20k followers on Twitter. P411 verified and reviews spanning the entire internet....and I'm still called a scammer.

1 hour ago, MeganMarie4u said:

There are plenty of guys who won't pay a deposit..... but my biggest issue is running into guys who think im giving up my whole reputation and running off into the sunset with $50... 20k followers on Twitter. P411 verified and reviews spanning the entire internet....and I'm still called a scammer.

I'm convinced most guys are in this nose wide open and eyes wide shut.

Understanding the importance of them to reasonably rule out LE, I personally couldn't care less about how many followers, P411 verification and, least of all lying ass, politicking reviews a provider has. To illustrate my point. I don't use Twitter to hobby so I can't speak to it, but the offender of a now deleted thread has two of three you just mentioned with more reviews than you do, which is not to slight you but simply to make a point, and is still out here pulling scandalous shit. This is why deposits are ALWAYS great, for the provider. But for the hobbyist? Not only will a fool and his money soon part, they're yet another great way to get on the 9 o'clock news.

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17 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Research, research, research!

Agreed! But down here we don’t really have the resources (TOB, etc) for research. Probably the best bet is to cross the border and visit a strip club/brothel. 🥴

The scary part of the article was getting charged for reaching out on the phone and agreeing to a session, but not following through by showing up.

Yup. The only thing I can see they may have done differently is used a texting app which, still traceable by law enforcement via subpoena, that most departments won't bother with this for such a low-level offense is an added layer of defense. Of course, too many providers want ALL the RW world info they can get their paws on because safety, which can only lead to one miserable end for the hobbyist. The 9 o'clock news!

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Scary indeed. One can never research enough.

Getting busted for reaching out and sending a deposit and then being an no show…damn.

Always be careful what you say and admit to.

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13 minutes ago, I Dream of Pussy said:

Yup. The only thing I can see they may have done differently is used a texting app which, still traceable by law enforcement via subpoena, that most departments won't bother with this for such a low-level offense is an added layer of defense. Of course, too many providers want ALL the RW world info they can get their paws on because safety, which can only lead to one miserable end for the hobbyist. The 9 o'clock news!

I did not mean for this to turn into FUD, especially for the CO market.  If you are hobbyist w/in the TOB community, I have found few disappointments and life to be fairly safe.

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17 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

I did not mean for this to turn into FUD, especially for the CO market.  If you are hobbyist w/in the TOB community, I have found few disappointments and life to be fairly safe.

I hope no one, least of all the mods, deem it such. News like this is what hobbyists, and providers need to keep hope alive.

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17 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

I did not mean for this to turn into FUD, especially for the CO market.  If you are hobbyist w/in the TOB community, I have found few disappointments and life to be fairly safe.

Sorry if I contributed to that.  It wasn't my intention.  Texas is definitely a different place!

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1 hour ago, I Dream of Pussy said:

I'm convinced most guys are in this nose wide open and eyes wide shut.

Understanding the importance of them to reasonably rule out LE, I personally couldn't care less about how many followers, P411 verification and, least of all lying ass, politicking reviews a provider has. To illustrate my point. I don't use Twitter to hobby so I can't speak to it, but the offender of a now deleted thread has two of three you just mentioned with more reviews than you do, which is not to slight you but simply to make a point, and is still out here pulling scandalous shit. This is why deposits are ALWAYS great, for the provider. But for the hobbyist? Not only will a fool and his money soon part, they're yet another great way to get on the 9 o'clock news.

And may I add, unless the hobbyist was THE exception, that the offender mentioned has 100% "Yes" reviews speaks volumes about what they actually mean. Squat.

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A prepaid credit card and a burner phone would have stumped LE , just sayin'  

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2 hours ago, ilovewomen said:

Scary indeed. One can never research enough.

Getting busted for reaching out and sending a deposit and then being an no show…damn.

Always be careful what you say and admit to.

I wonder if paying the deposit(money changing hands) was what LE was able to “hang their hat on” re charging even though the guys no showed…

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8 minutes ago, MrReindeer-9515 said:

I wonder if paying the deposit(money changing hands) was what LE was able to “hang their hat on” re charging even though the guys no showed…

^ that ^ was my original thought when I posted this thread. 

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30 minutes ago, MrReindeer-9515 said:

I wonder if paying the deposit(money changing hands) was what LE was able to “hang their hat on” re charging even though the guys no showed…

Depends on what the documented communication shows.  If the evidence shows that the deposit was partial payment in exchange for defined, expected sex acts, then those guys are hosed. If stupidity were a criminal act, they could be charged with that as well.....

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There had to to be mention of paying for sex for them to be arrested, otherwise they can’t do anything to you!! 
meanwhile peoples cars are getting stolen and their worrying about this shit! And thieves walk away like nothing happened

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I've read it four times and think it was just an error. I believe Solis, like Herrera, agreed to pay but then never showed up. I could be wrong but there is no other indication that money traded hands beforehand. What should be even more concerning is that you don't even have to show up to get arrested. 

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2 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

I've read it four times and think it was just an error. I believe Solis, like Herrera, agreed to pay but then never showed up. I could be wrong but there is no other indication that money traded hands beforehand. What should be even more concerning is that you don't even have to show up to get arrested. 

Yes if they were smart they would try and fight it! Or they may just drop it before it goes to court

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1 hour ago, Lucy Kitten said:

I've read it four times and think it was just an error. I believe Solis, like Herrera, agreed to pay but then never showed up. I could be wrong but there is no other indication that money traded hands beforehand. …

Herrera reportedly sent a photo of himself to the undercover escort and agreed to pay $50 for sex but failed to show to the meet up location.

Solis paid $80 and also failed to meet the undercover, the affidavit shows.” [my emphasis]

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@Lucy: It was near the beginning of the article.

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1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

Herrera reportedly sent a photo of himself to the undercover escort and agreed to pay $50 for sex but failed to show to the meet up location.

Solis paid $80 and also failed to meet the undercover, the affidavit shows.” [my emphasis]

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@Lucy: It was near the beginning of the article.

I can read, and like I said I think it was an error in reporting. There was no other mention of collecting money aside from that one weird sentence. Agreeing to pay $80 and then not show up because they figured out it was a sting is far more likely. Cops aren't smart to set up a sting requiring deposits and collecting one has never been necessary to bust someone. Do you take all reporting about sex work at face value like this or is just not so subtle fear mongering over deposits? 

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16 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

I can read, and like I said I think it was an error in reporting. …

I never thought you were too ignorant to read. Just trying to point out the detail of the article.

As for inaccurate reporting, I have found this local news source to be fairly reliable.  They also seem to be fairly balanced.  WRT deposits, it seems you can get charged with/without them.

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On 1/8/2025 at 1:53 PM, MrReindeer-9515 said:

I wonder if paying the deposit(money changing hands) was what LE was able to “hang their hat on” re charging even though the guys no showed…

That’s what I’m thinking.

After reading the article several times, I’m not sure if Herrera actually paid a deposit or just agreed to pay a deposit.

The article does specifically state that Solis paid a deposit.

Also in the article it says but guys agreed to the deposits for sex. I think this where the cops have them dead to rights. Without a statement that they were paying for sex, I would think the case is not airtight.

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Research, research, research! No deposits, pay cash in person. These apps also have dedicated departments that fish out suspicious payment activity and forward info to LEO. Also, if its too good to be true, its too f'n good to be true! 

 

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24 minutes ago, Allure_man said:

Research, research, research! No deposits, pay cash in person. These apps also have dedicated departments that fish out suspicious payment activity and forward info to LEO. Also, if its too good to be true, its too f'n good to be true! 

 

Source for this claim?

There are several sites from a simple search that say the opposite.  Venmo has a whole topic for LEO telling them how to APPLY for information.  Several sites verify that no, these apps do NOT volunteer info on "suspicious" transactions to LEO.  Unless the transaction meets the federal trigger for the banking and patriot acts to kick in.  But if you are sending a 10k deposit or to a foreign country something is horribly wrong lol.

Agree wholeheartedly with the first three words.

https://www.justanswer.com/criminal-law/phjqi-cash-app-venmo-reported-illegal-activity.html

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2 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

Source for this claim?

There are several sites from a simple search that say the opposite.  Venmo has a whole topic for LEO telling them how to APPLY for information.  Several sites verify that no, these apps do NOT volunteer info on "suspicious" transactions to LEO.  Unless the transaction meets the federal trigger for the banking and patriot acts to kick in.  But if you are sending a 10k deposit or to a foreign country something is horribly wrong lol.

Agree wholeheartedly with the first three words.

I went out on a few dates with a girl that runs a financial crimes division for one of the apps. She spoke at length about some of the pattern detection and practices. Its a free world out there, do as you wish. 

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1 minute ago, Allure_man said:

I went out on a few dates with a girl that runs a financial crimes division for one of the apps. She spoke at length about some of the pattern detection and practices. Its a free world out there, do as you wish. 

Ah the old friend of a girlfriend source.  I always do as I wish.  I did NOT question that the apps look into any payments that look like criminal activity.  They certainly do.  To protect themselves.  And they will terminate accounts that appear shady.  But what they will NOT do is voluntarily report to LEO.  Facts are fun and more useful than false information.

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