Travel

[coguy66]

I'd like to better understand the thoughts providers have regarding travel.

For context, I'm traveling to Central America in January, been planning it a while. I had mentioned 'travel' generally to my favorite provider a month-or-so ago and was blown away when she cited a daily price about 6x her hourly rate. We did not discuss any specifics surrounding my trip. The trip will be a Tuesday through Saturday, with much of Tuesday and Saturday being dedicated to travel. From my perspective, I was thinking if I paid the rate of a couple of sessions (which should mean fully-paid vacation based on how busy I'm told she is) she'd get a paid and all-expenses-paid trip. But for a couple thousand dollars a day, I'll simply look for local talent. Too bad, I thought she'd enjoy the time off, and I would have enjoyed providing the break. For clarity, I wouldn't expect more that 2 'sessions' a day, and most likely it would be 1 or even 0, but we did not discuss those parameters. Also, I'm reasonably attractive and very fit if that factors into the equation. I know I would do cartwheels if someone offered me an all-expenses-paid, paid vacation...

How do providers see this? 

[Western ~P]

my thoughts: i dont care for your data view...actually a couple thousand a day is a steal. plus you make it sound so à la carte and no fun

[stevie-2249]

Obviously she only sees you as a client, otherwise she would only charge you for the sessions, maybe she isn’t the one for you, just because your fit doesn’t mean she wants you

[presleytherose]

This is definitely a subject with varied viewpoints. Varied, as in - clients don’t seem to agree with providers. I am going to put this very plainly, so please do not mistake my directness for rudeness or take offense. This is just the way I see it. There’s nothing wrong with asking this question.

Providers do not really want all-expenses-paid vacations where they are also essentially being paid by you to provide you with a service for the duration of that vacation. A provider’s job is emotionally draining to the absolute abstract of a degree. Not to say that you, the client, are draining or a burden - just that it takes a lot to be a source of entertainment even for 2 hours. Many providers are very different in their personal lives than they are when in their work personas. We are absolute masters at convincing you that we would never get tired of you, ever…as long as you’re only around for 2 hours.

Emotional drainage aside, most providers charge for their time, not per service. Many of the ladies that are offering FTMY are factoring in travel time, the time it takes to pack and prepare, the time it takes to put various safeguards in place should something go wrong…it takes a lot of time. Most FTMY rates are a straight up steal when you factor in planning and risk.

I personally have several clients who, after being regulars for a very long time, get discounted travel rates. Meaning - I will accompany them on vacation for roughly half of my standard FTMY. But these are people who I have confirmed and vetted as being absolutely 100% safe at all times, who have my best interests in mind consistently, who respect my boundaries and need for alone time, have been a consistent delight in my life and are not even remotely emotionally draining. Everyone else gets the standard rate - which is more than fair considering aforementioned factors. 

[I Dream of Pussy]

1 hour ago, Carleeblissful said:

This is definitely a subject with varied viewpoints. Varied, as in - clients don’t seem to agree with providers. I am going to put this very plainly, so please do not mistake my directness for rudeness or take offense. This is just the way I see it. There’s nothing wrong with asking this question.

Providers do not really want all-expenses-paid vacations where they are also essentially being paid by you to provide you with a service for the duration of that vacation. A provider’s job is emotionally draining to the absolute abstract of a degree. Not to say that you, the client, are draining or a burden - just that it takes a lot to be a source of entertainment even for 2 hours. Many providers are very different in their personal lives than they are when in their work personas. We are absolute masters at convincing you that we would never get tired of you, ever…as long as you’re only around for 2 hours.

Emotional drainage aside, most providers charge for their time, not per service. Many of the ladies that are offering FTMY are factoring in travel time, the time it takes to pack and prepare, the time it takes to put various safeguards in place should something go wrong…it takes a lot of time. Most FTMY rates are a straight up steal when you factor in planning and risk.

I personally have several clients who, after being regulars for a very long time, get discounted travel rates. Meaning - I will accompany them on vacation for roughly half of my standard FTMY. But these are people who I have confirmed and vetted as being absolutely 100% safe at all times, who have my best interests in mind consistently, who respect my boundaries and need for alone time, have been a consistent delight in my life and are not even remotely emotionally draining. Everyone else gets the standard rate - which is more than fair considering aforementioned factors. 

Hourly rate x 24 hours x how many days...makes so much cents . Real cannot or at least should not offend. We sincerely thank you for that.

@coguy66 take your buff self to Central America, or the Dominican Republic, Thailand, the Philippines, Jamaica has a hedonist convention...just you and your American roses, and you will have more fun for < 1/100th of what we're accustomed to, plus meals and lodging. You're welcome.

Edited November 12 by I Dream of Pussy

[coguy66]

3 hours ago, Carleeblissful said:

This is definitely a subject with varied viewpoints. Varied, as in - clients don’t seem to agree with providers. I am going to put this very plainly, so please do not mistake my directness for rudeness or take offense. This is just the way I see it. There’s nothing wrong with asking this question.

Providers do not really want all-expenses-paid vacations where they are also essentially being paid by you to provide you with a service for the duration of that vacation. A provider’s job is emotionally draining to the absolute abstract of a degree. Not to say that you, the client, are draining or a burden - just that it takes a lot to be a source of entertainment even for 2 hours. Many providers are very different in their personal lives than they are when in their work personas. We are absolute masters at convincing you that we would never get tired of you, ever…as long as you’re only around for 2 hours.

Emotional drainage aside, most providers charge for their time, not per service. Many of the ladies that are offering FTMY are factoring in travel time, the time it takes to pack and prepare, the time it takes to put various safeguards in place should something go wrong…it takes a lot of time. Most FTMY rates are a straight up steal when you factor in planning and risk.

I personally have several clients who, after being regulars for a very long time, get discounted travel rates. Meaning - I will accompany them on vacation for roughly half of my standard FTMY. But these are people who I have confirmed and vetted as being absolutely 100% safe at all times, who have my best interests in mind consistently, who respect my boundaries and need for alone time, have been a consistent delight in my life and are not even remotely emotionally draining. Everyone else gets the standard rate - which is more than fair considering aforementioned factors. 

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I knew the usual suspects would spout their nonsense. I was surprised that Western thought the personal insults were necessary (c'est la vie), but I had not accounted for what the mental drain could potentially be. Exactly the opposite of what I would hope the experience to be for her. If it would be draining, I wouldn't want her to go regardless of price.

[coguy66]

2 hours ago, I Dream of Pussy said:

@coguy66 take your buff self to Central America, or the Dominican Republic, Thailand, the Philippines, Jamaica has a hedonist convention...just you and your American roses, and you will have more fun for < 1/100th of what we're accustomed to, plus meals and lodging. You're welcome.

Thanks, I know this is easily done. I was actually thinking it would be nice to take a regular for a break and downtime. But Carlee's point that it won't be a break for her, even if that is my intention, makes a ton of sense.

[Audrey Astor]

I’m not sure how to break this down without sounding like a bratty ahole. 
 

Here’s the deal, and some of this can apply to overnights… She will want to make the same amount of income as if she stayed home to work. We don’t have a paid vacation plan. If she has littles or pets, she has to arrange care and compensate for that. When we do an overnight, we lose 2 days. We don’t work the day of, so we’re ready, and upbeat for our time. Then the next day is lost as well, to regroup and catch up on rest/sleep.
 

Two days of international travel is not at that comfortable with, well, basically a stranger. So what you see as a vacation, we see as work. We feel a need to be “on” the full time, not much alone time, we’re out of our normal routine. And if I’m being 100% honest, we’d rather get our cash compensation, so we can book our own vacation to where we choose. This is probably unpopular, but if I have 5 days to be away from home and take vacation, I’d rather it be with family and friends. It’s the same with dinner, if time permits, I’d rather be with my loved ones. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but this is the truth. Anyhow, I hope you have a fantastic trip. 
 

[XXX Kat]

On 11/11/2024 at 7:01 PM, coguy66 said:

I'd like to better understand the thoughts providers have regarding travel.

For context, I'm traveling to Central America in January, been planning it a while. I had mentioned 'travel' generally to my favorite provider a month-or-so ago and was blown away when she cited a daily price about 6x her hourly rate. We did not discuss any specifics surrounding my trip. The trip will be a Tuesday through Saturday, with much of Tuesday and Saturday being dedicated to travel. From my perspective, I was thinking if I paid the rate of a couple of sessions (which should mean fully-paid vacation based on how busy I'm told she is) she'd get a paid and all-expenses-paid trip. But for a couple thousand dollars a day, I'll simply look for local talent. Too bad, I thought she'd enjoy the time off, and I would have enjoyed providing the break. For clarity, I wouldn't expect more that 2 'sessions' a day, and most likely it would be 1 or even 0, but we did not discuss those parameters. Also, I'm reasonably attractive and very fit if that factors into the equation. I know I would do cartwheels if someone offered me an all-expenses-paid, paid vacation...

How do providers see this? 

The problem is you seem to forget YOUR A CLIENT.  It's a overnight. So why do you men say paid for trip? Like dude SHE NOT YOUR GIRLFRIEND. So you except a lady to do overnights from Tues-Sat. And to get paid per season, per day? That sounds crazy. Then you say time off, she still have to sleep with you!! So it's not time off. Plus OVERNIGHT. Is she getting her own room? Why do you think you get 24hrs a day for a Service Fee of 1 session? You getting over.

Edited November 14 by XXX Kat

[Audrey Astor]

Based on my post and XXX Kat’s post, don’t not ask a lady to travel. Treat what we mentioned as food for thought, and stuff to keep in mind. Each lady may have varying views, and some may have a special connection with you and love the proposal. Xoxo

[Colorado Chef]

On 11/13/2024 at 11:59 PM, Audrey Astor said:

I’m not sure how to break this down without sounding like a bratty ahole. 
 

Here’s the deal, and some of this can apply to overnights… She will want to make the same amount of income as if she stayed home to work. We don’t have a paid vacation plan. If she has littles or pets, she has to arrange care and compensate for that. When we do an overnight, we lose 2 days. We don’t work the day of, so we’re ready, and upbeat for our time. Then the next day is lost as well, to regroup and catch up on rest/sleep.
 

Two days of international travel is not at that comfortable with, well, basically a stranger. So what you see as a vacation, we see as work. We feel a need to be “on” the full time, not much alone time, we’re out of our normal routine. And if I’m being 100% honest, we’d rather get our cash compensation, so we can book our own vacation to where we choose. This is probably unpopular, but if I have 5 days to be away from home and take vacation, I’d rather it be with family and friends. It’s the same with dinner, if time permits, I’d rather be with my loved ones. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but this is the truth. Anyhow, I hope you have a fantastic trip. 
 

Absolutely not being an A-hole.  I think the very key point you address that many people either don't know or forget is that this business doesn't come with PTO, Sick Days, Dedicated Vacation Time, or Personal Leave.  If you're not working, then you're not getting paid.  What one person may see as a "free vacation" the other person doesn't, because each has a different perspective and definition of that term, based on their own environment.  I also like your point where you address that a "vacation" should be to a locale of your choice, with those you choose to be with.  Very sage and mature response.

[coguy66]

On 11/13/2024 at 11:59 PM, Audrey Astor said:

I’m not sure how to break this down without sounding like a bratty ahole. 
 

Here’s the deal, and some of this can apply to overnights… She will want to make the same amount of income as if she stayed home to work. We don’t have a paid vacation plan. If she has littles or pets, she has to arrange care and compensate for that. When we do an overnight, we lose 2 days. We don’t work the day of, so we’re ready, and upbeat for our time. Then the next day is lost as well, to regroup and catch up on rest/sleep.
 

Two days of international travel is not at that comfortable with, well, basically a stranger. So what you see as a vacation, we see as work. We feel a need to be “on” the full time, not much alone time, we’re out of our normal routine. And if I’m being 100% honest, we’d rather get our cash compensation, so we can book our own vacation to where we choose. This is probably unpopular, but if I have 5 days to be away from home and take vacation, I’d rather it be with family and friends. It’s the same with dinner, if time permits, I’d rather be with my loved ones. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but this is the truth. Anyhow, I hope you have a fantastic trip. 
 

Thanks for the response. I don't take your comments poorly at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with me 'wanting' to show a valued companion a really nice time on a trip and make sure she's earning her full usual draw. There's also nothing wrong with her saying 'that doesn't sound great to me'. Carlee's point that my thinking it is a break is fine, but if she sees the whole thing as work, then not fine--we don't see it the same way. If she sees it as all work, I don't want her to go! My desire was to offer a relaxing break to a valued companion. My intent was to do something nice, but understanding it isn't welcomed, local talent will be the way to go.

I'm more surprised that Western and Kat seem to think it is okay to trash people for asking a question. Safe to say there's two providers I will skip!

[Mustang87]

On 11/15/2024 at 11:30 PM, Audrey Astor said:

Based on my post and XXX Kat’s post, don’t not ask a lady to travel. Treat what we mentioned as food for thought, and stuff to keep in mind. Each lady may have varying views, and some may have a special connection with you and love the proposal. Xoxo

This would be my takeaway as well.

[Lucy Kitten]

4 hours ago, coguy66 said:

Thanks for the response. I don't take your comments poorly at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with me 'wanting' to show a valued companion a really nice time on a trip and make sure she's earning her full usual draw. There's also nothing wrong with her saying 'that doesn't sound great to me'. Carlee's point that my thinking it is a break is fine, but if she sees the whole thing as work, then not fine--we don't see it the same way. If she sees it as all work, I don't want her to go! My desire was to offer a relaxing break to a valued companion. My intent was to do something nice, but understanding it isn't welcomed, local talent will be the way to go.

I'm more surprised that Western and Kat seem to think it is okay to trash people for asking a question. Safe to say there's two providers I will skip!

Your OP was a little backhanded bro and no one really trashed you. Your intent was not really to do something nice because you still wanted her to perform while on "vacation".Gifts should not come with strings attached, and you're struggling to see the difference. You really wanted her to be so grateful for a "break" that she would blow you as a thank you. If you are bringing a pro on vacation and expecting intimacy it will always be work, it sounds like what you need is a girlfriend to take on vacation. 

[MeganMarie4u]

29 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Your OP was a little backhanded bro and no one really trashed you. Your intent was not really to do something nice because you still wanted her to perform while on "vacation".Gifts should not come with strings attached, and you're struggling to see the difference. You really wanted her to be so grateful for a "break" that she would blow you as a thank you. If you are bringing a pro on vacation and expecting intimacy it will always be work, it sounds like what you need is a girlfriend to take on vacation. 

I love it when you come here spitting the big facts. ❤️🫶

[TheRightStuff]

On 11/12/2024 at 10:20 AM, Carleeblissful said:

This is definitely a subject with varied viewpoints. Varied, as in - clients don’t seem to agree with providers. I am going to put this very plainly, so please do not mistake my directness for rudeness or take offense. This is just the way I see it. There’s nothing wrong with asking this question.

Providers do not really want all-expenses-paid vacations where they are also essentially being paid by you to provide you with a service for the duration of that vacation. A provider’s job is emotionally draining to the absolute abstract of a degree. Not to say that you, the client, are draining or a burden - just that it takes a lot to be a source of entertainment even for 2 hours. Many providers are very different in their personal lives than they are when in their work personas. We are absolute masters at convincing you that we would never get tired of you, ever…as long as you’re only around for 2 hours.

Emotional drainage aside, most providers charge for their time, not per service. Many of the ladies that are offering FTMY are factoring in travel time, the time it takes to pack and prepare, the time it takes to put various safeguards in place should something go wrong…it takes a lot of time. Most FTMY rates are a straight up steal when you factor in planning and risk.

I personally have several clients who, after being regulars for a very long time, get discounted travel rates. Meaning - I will accompany them on vacation for roughly half of my standard FTMY. But these are people who I have confirmed and vetted as being absolutely 100% safe at all times, who have my best interests in mind consistently, who respect my boundaries and need for alone time, have been a consistent delight in my life and are not even remotely emotionally draining. Everyone else gets the standard rate - which is more than fair considering aforementioned factors. 

 

This is an excellent, on-point and truth-telling post!

(It is better that we know the truth!)

From Ur Lips 2 God's Ears!

(I wish I could say I was surprised!)

You've brought up a most insightful point ... when you say: "We are absolute masters at convincing you that we would never get tired of you, ever ... as long as you're only around for 2 hours." **

There Ya Go!

(How's THAT for a reality check?)

How's THAT for a Wake-Up Call ... Kick in the Ass?

 

 

**

In terms of quality time spent between provider and client:

A little Q & A:

Q: What's the difference between poison and cure?

A: Dosage!

 

 

ps

To my brother mongers (a little heads-up): don't be loitering in her room after the deed is done; talkin' s##t; being an annoyance; asking personal questions; and, overstaying your welcome!

(You may think you're slick and God's Gift ... but maybe, just maybe, she can't wait till the door hits you in the ass ... and, laughs behind your back!)

I'm ... just sayin'.

 

 

[Caressa Duval]

19 hours ago, coguy66 said:

Thanks for the response. I don't take your comments poorly at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with me 'wanting' to show a valued companion a really nice time on a trip and make sure she's earning her full usual draw. There's also nothing wrong with her saying 'that doesn't sound great to me'. Carlee's point that my thinking it is a break is fine, but if she sees the whole thing as work, then not fine--we don't see it the same way. If she sees it as all work, I don't want her to go! My desire was to offer a relaxing break to a valued companion. My intent was to do something nice, but understanding it isn't welcomed, local talent will be the way to go.

I'm more surprised that Western and Kat seem to think it is okay to trash people for asking a question. Safe to say there's two providers I will skip!

I do not see that @Western ~P or @XXX Kat were trashing you at all. Your ego might be dinged a bit to here the truth. Maybe you don't know this, the amount of times men want to offer us things in exchange for our pay is a lot. It can range from giving us a massage to "free trips". None of these things pay our bills.

Most of our medical insurances do not work out of country. What if a lady gets sick or injured on a trip? Did you plan on paying for her to get medical attention, or nurse her back to health if she even got a simple cold? There is only one client out of them all that I know would take care of me if something went wrong. He most certainly understood that I needed my own room in a completely different hotel, and my own time on the trip I took to see him. This was in just another state. Going to a completely different country would be a no go for me.

I am not sure you even contemplated she might have her monthly visitor on the trip. All of these things: getting sick, injured, monthly visitor and I am sure I missing a few things. It would make her feel guilty for ruining your trip. I think it is safe to say, there are quite a few providers that will skip you now!

[Kali Sensual Reiki]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:32 AM, coguy66 said:

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I knew the usual suspects would spout their nonsense. I was surprised that Western thought the personal insults were necessary (c'est la vie), but I had not accounted for what the mental drain could potentially be. Exactly the opposite of what I would hope the experience to be for her. If it would be draining, I wouldn't want her to go regardless of price.

@Western ~P is very “matter a fact“, no sugar’s coating exception being when she is getting down in the sheets. 
 Sorry, about your ATF. It is ONLY about business and many of us ladies have serious obligations in life. Baby sitter, pets, S. O., aging parents and grand parents, other issues in life. And yes we don’t always trust or can afford for such a luxury of an all expense trip out of the country. That could be why you see us all posting ads daily,  maybe?  
 Denver, CO is the most expensive inter-coastal city in the United States. And this comment is nothing personal from me to you either. 
 Enjoy your trip and bring your ATF a nice vacation gift! 
 

Sorry if I am repeating others.
Us ladies have some powerful boundaries. Please respect us and you will be rewarded in spades. 
♠️♠️♠️
 

[presleytherose]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:59 AM, coguy66 said:

Thanks for the response. I don't take your comments poorly at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with me 'wanting' to show a valued companion a really nice time on a trip and make sure she's earning her full usual draw. There's also nothing wrong with her saying 'that doesn't sound great to me'. Carlee's point that my thinking it is a break is fine, but if she sees the whole thing as work, then not fine--we don't see it the same way. If she sees it as all work, I don't want her to go! My desire was to offer a relaxing break to a valued companion. My intent was to do something nice, but understanding it isn't welcomed, local talent will be the way to go.

I'm more surprised that Western and Kat seem to think it is okay to trash people for asking a question. Safe to say there's two providers I will skip!

Certainly not work in the way you make it out to be. This is my chosen profession because I thoroughly enjoy the opportunity to create genuine connections with lovely people. We don’t see it the same way, indeed. 

[Western ~P]

On 11/11/2024 at 6:01 PM, coguy66 said:

"I'd like to better understand the thoughts providers have regarding travel."

"How do providers see this?"

" I'm more surprised that Western and Kat seem to think it is okay to trash people for asking a question. Safe to say there's two providers I will skip! "

you invited us to your trauma dump thread by asking for providers thoughts and how do we see this:

i commented my way with my thoughts (comment 2). i didn't trash you but bc i didn't express my comment your way, your trigger sensitive personality kicked in.
direct but respectful communication is always my goal on here and there would be no mistake if i was trashing your broke ass.

oh, please skip me. you're not my type. i don't see guys who take pleasure in being mean to others. plus your definition of travel is equivalent to a car date and i don't do car dates!

[TheRightStuff]

On 11/20/2024 at 0:59 PM, coguy66 said:

Thanks for the response. I don't take your comments poorly at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with me 'wanting' to show a valued companion a really nice time on a trip and make sure she's earning her full usual draw. There's also nothing wrong with her saying 'that doesn't sound great to me'. Carlee's point that my thinking it is a break is fine, but if she sees the whole thing as work, then not fine--we don't see it the same way. If she sees it as all work, I don't want her to go! My desire was to offer a relaxing break to a valued companion. My intent was to do something nice, but understanding it isn't welcomed, local talent will be the way to go.

I'm more surprised that Western and Kat seem to think it is okay to trash people for asking a question. Safe to say there's two providers I will skip!

 

I feel 4 ya!

You had the right idea (on paper)!

(A little, South America adventure with an ATF sounds good (on paper!))

You wanted to embrace her as a traveling companion (again, good on paper)!

You meant well!

You were gunna be in the big-spender mode!

And, she was gunna be the intended beneficiary!

You thought it would be enthusiastically welcomed and appreciated!

You had good and noble intentions!

(Every provider ... should be so lucky!)

All you wanted to do was show her a good time on your dime!

But: "Sometimes the good that you do ... don't do you no good."

[Kali Sensual Reiki]

On 11/11/2024 at 11:18 PM, Western ~P said:

my thoughts: i dont care for your data view...actually a couple thousand a day is a steal. plus you make it sound so à la carte and no fun

Another thought send her the money you were willing to shell out to take her on this luxury  trip. You could even itemize every expense, tally it up and give her the running total and give that money to her as a gift.. she would love you forever! Trust me on that! Not trying to hurt your feelings, but you need to understand a few more things,. I am sure she cares about you and has an emotional connection with you yet this is what we do for our living.. 

[coguy66]

Still surprised at the amount of vitriol for this post. To Recap:

I asked an honest question and was seeking to do something 'nice'. I learned quickly that what I thought was 'nice' wasn't received that way, it was seen as me wanting a discount for services. Not my intent. Appreciate the added insight. I won't bring this up with a provider ever again.

I have been accused of being 'cheap'. Maybe so. The impetus of the invite was largely that it would not cost me much in travel to bring someone along. I hold a companion pass on Southwest and already have accommodations for up-to-two at the Andaz Papagayo (which to make me even cheaper I redeemed points for). So from that standpoint I'm definitely cheap. The converse perspective is that the flight would cost over $1,200 if someone could purchase it (directs are sold-out), and the Andaz is $1,200 night (includes full-service [waiters, not fucking] 5-star meals, and one 90-minute massage during the stay). Call me cheap. I can take it.

The suggestion was posed: Why don't I just give the provider a bunch of money and not ask for anything in return? Um, no. I was absolutley expecting to pay SOME money for time (my gratification needs have a low bar), and be able to enjoy a nice trip. Believe me, got the message! You ladies really despise your customers. Got it. Fair enough. Sorry I asked!

Here's the relevant update: Got back from my annual pre-thanksgiving trip to Nayarit, MX last night. Let my sons bring their serious GFs this year for the first time, which afforded me the time opportunity to dabble in the local talent. Frankly, it wasn't just time that stopped me before, but a caution against incursions with LE while with my kids in a foreign country, but they are adults now, and this posting definitely left me NOT looking to bring someone along on any trips, so seemed like the time to try. OMG! What a bonanza. Truly, gents, get yourselves down to Mexico. A cornucopia of young, fit, attractive girls and the rates are about 1/4 to 1/3rd of Denver.

[Caressa Duval]

2 hours ago, coguy66 said:

Still surprised at the amount of vitriol for this post. To Recap:

I asked an honest question and was seeking to do something 'nice'. I learned quickly that what I thought was 'nice' wasn't received that way, it was seen as me wanting a discount for services. Not my intent. Appreciate the added insight. I won't bring this up with a provider ever again.

I have been accused of being 'cheap'. Maybe so. The impetus of the invite was largely that it would not cost me much in travel to bring someone along. I hold a companion pass on Southwest and already have accommodations for up-to-two at the Andaz Papagayo (which to make me even cheaper I redeemed points for). So from that standpoint I'm definitely cheap. The converse perspective is that the flight would cost over $1,200 if someone could purchase it (directs are sold-out), and the Andaz is $1,200 night (includes full-service [waiters, not fucking] 5-star meals, and one 90-minute massage during the stay). Call me cheap. I can take it.

The suggestion was posed: Why don't I just give the provider a bunch of money and not ask for anything in return? Um, no. I was absolutley expecting to pay SOME money for time (my gratification needs have a low bar), and be able to enjoy a nice trip. Believe me, got the message! You ladies really despise your customers. Got it. Fair enough. Sorry I asked!

Here's the relevant update: Got back from my annual pre-thanksgiving trip to Nayarit, MX last night. Let my sons bring their serious GFs this year for the first time, which afforded me the time opportunity to dabble in the local talent. Frankly, it wasn't just time that stopped me before, but a caution against incursions with LE while with my kids in a foreign country, but they are adults now, and this posting definitely left me NOT looking to bring someone along on any trips, so seemed like the time to try. OMG! What a bonanza. Truly, gents, get yourselves down to Mexico. A cornucopia of young, fit, attractive girls and the rates are about 1/4 to 1/3rd of Denver.

You got a lot of nerve dude! Here is what you wanted. You wanted a bunch of providers to reply how awesome you are to offer such a great gift. Gee, what woman wouldn't want a free vacation with a " reasonably attractive and very fit" man. When you did not get what you wanted for responses, you were the one that got " vitriol" with us.  Most ladies don't want to hang with a narcissist (like you) for one hour much less days.

We don't despise our customers, we adore them! Speaking of Thanksgiving... I am sure the ladies would agree, we are extremely thankful for our wonderful clients!

[coguy66]

1 hour ago, Caressa Duval said:

You got a lot of nerve dude! Here is what you wanted. You wanted a bunch of providers to reply how awesome you are to offer such a great gift. Gee, what woman wouldn't want a free vacation with a " reasonably attractive and very fit" man. When you did not get what you wanted for responses, you were the one that got " vitriol" with us.  Most ladies don't want to hang with a narcissist (like you) for one hour much less days.

We don't despise our customers, we adore them! Speaking of Thanksgiving... I am sure the ladies would agree, we are extremely thankful for our wonderful clients!

Right. Wonderful. Just be gone in two hours. 

And no, you're wrong. I did want an honest answer, which I got and understood. " it may seem to me like it would be a break for the provider, but for her it would seem like work. Makes sense. I accept that answer. What I didn't need is: "You're cheap". "You want something for nothing". "Just give us money for the trip and leave us alone". "We pretend we like you, just be gone in an hour". I didn't write that crap. You all did. Now own it. I've always been kind to providers. Helped them move. Fixed their cars. Paid for car repairs. But I go the message clear: you prefer to be thought of as tool rental--not people with reciprocal behavior. Okay., I can do that.

[I Dream of Pussy]

6 hours ago, coguy66 said:

Still surprised at the amount of vitriol for this post. To Recap:

I asked an honest question and was seeking to do something 'nice'. I learned quickly that what I thought was 'nice' wasn't received that way, it was seen as me wanting a discount for services. Not my intent. Appreciate the added insight. I won't bring this up with a provider ever again.

I have been accused of being 'cheap'. Maybe so. The impetus of the invite was largely that it would not cost me much in travel to bring someone along. I hold a companion pass on Southwest and already have accommodations for up-to-two at the Andaz Papagayo (which to make me even cheaper I redeemed points for). So from that standpoint I'm definitely cheap. The converse perspective is that the flight would cost over $1,200 if someone could purchase it (directs are sold-out), and the Andaz is $1,200 night (includes full-service [waiters, not fucking] 5-star meals, and one 90-minute massage during the stay). Call me cheap. I can take it.

The suggestion was posed: Why don't I just give the provider a bunch of money and not ask for anything in return? Um, no. I was absolutley expecting to pay SOME money for time (my gratification needs have a low bar), and be able to enjoy a nice trip. Believe me, got the message! You ladies really despise your customers. Got it. Fair enough. Sorry I asked!

Here's the relevant update: Got back from my annual pre-thanksgiving trip to Nayarit, MX last night. Let my sons bring their serious GFs this year for the first time, which afforded me the time opportunity to dabble in the local talent. Frankly, it wasn't just time that stopped me before, but a caution against incursions with LE while with my kids in a foreign country, but they are adults now, and this posting definitely left me NOT looking to bring someone along on any trips, so seemed like the time to try. OMG! What a bonanza. Truly, gents, get yourselves down to Mexico. A cornucopia of young, fit, attractive girls and the rates are about 1/4 to 1/3rd of Denver.

It's great you were able to maximize the difference in economic models without compromising if not improving quality. Quite the win-win. Certainly here to throw shade on the ladies that didn't get your value proposition, all the 5-star Andaz, call me cheap posturing certainly explains and even deserves the vitriol. Welcome back to reality. Now get over yourself.

 

Edited November 28 by I Dream of Pussy

[I Dream of Pussy]

4 hours ago, Caressa Duval said:

You got a lot of nerve dude! Here is what you wanted. You wanted a bunch of providers to reply how awesome you are to offer such a great gift. Gee, what woman wouldn't want a free vacation with a " reasonably attractive and very fit" man. When you did not get what you wanted for responses, you were the one that got " vitriol" with us.  Most ladies don't want to hang with a narcissist (like you) for one hour much less days.

We don't despise our customers, we adore them! Speaking of Thanksgiving... I am sure the ladies would agree, we are extremely thankful for our wonderful clients!

Let's not get carried away.

[Western ~P]

cogirl66, please! your slip is showing.....
you've proven you can only function in 3rd gear and can't drive on here by throwing weak slugs towards other providers who simply offered understanding to you.

furthermore, if you wanted to know how the rate structure works for a fmty, but were to ashamed to ask under your other handle, just say that. 
all providers may not get along and most don't gatekeep but we are helpful with advice with our colleagues.....at least i am.

do better. the mirror works wonders.