Posted June 28 So, to be transparent about my bias, I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1980. That said, I don't care if you are Republocan, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent or anything else - tonight was a sobering, frighteningy inept display by the leader of the free world. I have never been more concerned about the ability - and viability - of the oval office occupant. Our enemies are no doubt emboldened. For what it's worth, Trump didn't look so good either - but for different reasons. He made some good points, but was too often unhinged, off-topic, petty and unpresidential, and failed to take the high road and deliver something resembling a plan and a vision when that was so often an option. Paging Ross Perot...... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 28 52 minutes ago, sb1212 said: So, to be transparent about my bias, I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1980. That said, I don't care if you are Republocan, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent or anything else - tonight was a sobering, frighteningy inept display by the leader of the free world. I have never been more concerned about the ability - and viability - of the oval office occupant. Our enemies are no doubt emboldened. For what it's worth, Trump didn't look so good either - but for different reasons. He made some good points, but was too often unhinged, off-topic, petty and unpresidential, and failed to take the high road and deliver something resembling a plan and a vision when that was so often an option. Paging Ross Perot...... I have voted every year since Obama came in office and I have voted every year since he has been out of office LOL. I am going to continue my tradition this year by voting and writing his name on the ballot again............................... I wish he could run again................ I miss him just like a number of beautiful providers that have vanished from TOB. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 28 6 hours ago, Savoir Faire said: I have voted every year since Obama came in office and I have voted every year since he has been out of office LOL. I am going to continue my tradition this year by voting and writing his name on the ballot again............................... I wish he could run again................ I miss him just like a number of beautiful providers that have vanished from TOB. Rumors are Michelle Obama is gonna run a that should make you cream your pants 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 28 15 hours ago, sb1212 said: tonight was a sobering, frighteningy inept display by the leader of the free world. I have never been more concerned about the ability - and viability - of the oval office occupant. I agree with you. Both candidates clearly demonstrated they are totally unfit to hold the office. It's terrifying that, at this moment these two men look like they will be on the ballot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 28 10 hours ago, stevie-2249 said: Rumors are Michelle Obama is gonna run a that should make you cream your pants Steve E I love Michelle Obama LOL, she was an awesome FIRST LADY and thats what she will get my vote for, FIRST LADY. So with that said, there will be no CREAMING going on over here unless there is a RETURN of BARACK OBAMA (The G.O.A.T.).......... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 29 I turned in the debate last night for 5 minutes and saw exactly what I expected to see…a total shit show. My first election I could vote in was 1972. Voted Democrat that year and again in 1976. In 1980 I voted Republican and voted a straight Republican ticket until 2020 when I could no longer in good conscious vote for Trump. This year I just cannot see me voting for Biden, Trump or Kennedy. The first 2 are old, senile, Trump could not answer a question truthfully or even answer a question. He could only rail against Biden and the supposed fact he wants us to believe the election was rigged in 2020. Kennedy, well he is wackadoodle. This election cycle is sure to be totally fucked up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 29 3 hours ago, ilovewomen said: I turned in the debate last night for 5 minutes and saw exactly what I expected to see…a total shit show. My first election I could vote in was 1972. Voted Democrat that year and again in 1976. In 1980 I voted Republican and voted a straight Republican ticket until 2020 when I could no longer in good conscious vote for Trump. This year I just cannot see me voting for Biden, Trump or Kennedy. The first 2 are old, senile, Trump could not answer a question truthfully or even answer a question. He could only rail against Biden and the supposed fact he wants us to believe the election was rigged in 2020. Kennedy, well he is wackadoodle. This election cycle is sure to be totally fucked up. Agree with you 200% I'm a central Democrat. I think the government has a responsibility to take care of the poor and make the rich pay into the till a bit more. Trump is a pathological liar, he's been well documented as such. He met in Mara Largo with Victor Urban twice we know of. If you don't know him, he's the person responsible for transforming Hungary from a Democracy to a Autocracy government. Do you think they had tea on the veranda? Our whole way of life is at stake in this next election. 40 of 44 of Trump's cabinet member's WILL NOT ENDORSE HIM. What does that tell you? Me, I'm voting for the guy that doesn't have 34 felony convictions against him. I can't believe this. Our whole American experience is on the line with this election. Do we want to protect people that need to be protected, or shall we turn our backs on them and protecting our environment and our clean water and air? If you think Biden was weak (I do too) in the debate, google his response the next day, he sounded confident and secure, and unlike his nemesis, he told the truth. All of have to realize one fact moving forward. A vote for Trump means moving towards an Autocracy form of government a vote for Biden we stay the same, A vote for Kennedy we are in fact voting for Trump. There is no third party person. Autocracy or our current form of government is on the line tis election cycle. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 29 American democracy might just be circling the drain.... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 29 (edited) 8 hours ago, sparkey600 said: If you think Biden was weak (I do too) in the debate, google his response the next day, he sounded confident and secure, and unlike his nemesis, he told the truth. Biden does well when delivering a one sided speech using a teleprompter with prepared remarks and no questions (yesterday's rally, State of the Union). He fails miserably when he has to think on his feet. Witness the debate and most of his rare press conferences. Extemporaneous speech is not the most important skill for a president, but what we saw Thursday speaks to a more serious viability issue. I doubt he will have a teleprompter when engaging with Putin and other world leaders, or when he is leading policy discussions internally. I don't like any of the choices. I am not sure what I will do in November. Maybe a write in, which will be a wasted vote. These are scary times..... Edited June 29 by sb1212 Duplicate word 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 1 On 6/29/2024 at 9:07 AM, sb1212 said: Biden does well when delivering a one sided speech using a teleprompter with prepared remarks and no questions (yesterday's rally, State of the Union). He fails miserably when he has to think on his feet. Witness the debate and most of his rare press conferences. Extemporaneous speech is not the most important skill for a president, but what we saw Thursday speaks to a more serious viability issue. I doubt he will have a teleprompter when engaging with Putin and other world leaders, or when he is leading policy discussions internally. I don't like any of the choices. I am not sure what I will do in November. Maybe a write in, which will be a wasted vote. These are scary times..... Scary times indeed.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 4 I think the debate clealy showed that this man is not running the countryI But who is? It is a very scary time for our country! From a national security aspect we are in a precarious situation. People pouring into our southern border with hardly any vetting. Its just a recipe for disastor. It could be changed with the stroke of a pen but it was erased because Trump stopped it and Biden opened it up wide open. I think its time to set personalitys aside and look at results in November. I didnt mention all the other fuckups this administration has infllicted, inflation, energy prices, and just plain being stupid. But 3 years later its all Trumps fault. I have to close with there ludricous attempt to campaign on threat to democracy when they are using the DOJ and goverment agencies to against to go against political opponents. I know im going to catch hell in telling the truth but sometimes the truth hurts 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 4 ......Personalities Do Matter......Hopeful a Worthy candidate steps up! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 4 8 hours ago, Newoldbull said: I think the debate clealy showed that this man is not running the countryI But who is? It is a very scary time for our country! From a national security aspect we are in a precarious situation. People pouring into our southern border with hardly any vetting. Its just a recipe for disastor. It could be changed with the stroke of a pen but it was erased because Trump stopped it and Biden opened it up wide open. I think its time to set personalitys aside and look at results in November. I didnt mention all the other fuckups this administration has infllicted, inflation, energy prices, and just plain being stupid. But 3 years later its all Trumps fault. I have to close with there ludricous attempt to campaign on threat to democracy when they are using the DOJ and goverment agencies to against to go against political opponents. I know im going to catch hell in telling the truth but sometimes the truth hurts Same old bullshit claims as a year ago, two years ago, etc. Still belongs in the politics section. Is there a mod in the house? The reality is that NEITHER party's candidate is worth two cents. Only one should be in prison. BOTH parties should replace their presumptive candidates, with any luck at least one will. The biggest threat to democracy is Project 2025 and the Putin wing of GOP. Unless you have read the 900 page manifesto, really do not want to hear about threats to democracy or fake claims thereof. Knowing you, you would like it. https://www.project2025.org/ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, gr8owl said: Same old bullshit claims as a year ago, two years ago, etc. Still belongs in the politics section. Is there a mod in the house? The reality is that NEITHER party's candidate is worth two cents. Only one should be in prison. BOTH parties should replace their presumptive candidates, with any luck at least one will. The biggest threat to democracy is Project 2025 and the Putin wing of GOP. Unless you have read the 900 page manifesto, really do not want to hear about threats to democracy or fake claims thereof. Knowing you, you would like it. https://www.project2025.org/ An 81yr old actually being old for some is a bigger concern than the 78yr that’s openly talked about killing or imprisoning political opponents, pardoning themselves from actual committed crimes, extreme religious views in schools and courts, just flat out open bribes from foreign dignitaries, and the insanity that’s project2025. At least he’s not going on and on about Hunter Biden’s laptop. Edited July 4 by JoDoe27 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 5 13 hours ago, mtnman said: ......Personalities Do Matter......Hopeful a Worthy candidate steps up! Several did, but the parties declined their offers One is running as an independent, others are hiding in the wings. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6 On 7/4/2024 at 10:20 AM, gr8owl said: Same old bullshit claims as a year ago, two years ago, etc. Still belongs in the politics section. Is there a mod in the house? The reality is that NEITHER party's candidate is worth two cents. Only one should be in prison. BOTH parties should replace their presumptive candidates, with any luck at least one will. The biggest threat to democracy is Project 2025 and the Putin wing of GOP. Unless you have read the 900 page manifesto, really do not want to hear about threats to democracy or fake claims thereof. Knowing you, you would like it. https://www.project2025.org/ On 7/4/2024 at 11:48 AM, JoDoe27 said: An 81yr old actually being old for some is a bigger concern than the 78yr that’s openly talked about killing or imprisoning political opponents, pardoning themselves from actual committed crimes, extreme religious views in schools and courts, just flat out open bribes from foreign dignitaries, and the insanity that’s project2025. At least he’s not going on and on about Hunter Biden’s laptop. I see the circus is back in town! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6 52 minutes ago, Newoldbull said: I see the circus is back in town! This is about the level of response I was expecting. I’m sad you didn’t mention the laptop! It was such a go to for you that I wondered how you’d work it in. Buuuuuuuut you did go back to the border. A tried and true, oldy but goody. Corporate greed of raising prices absurdly higher during inflated times, a 1.9 trillion stimulus package from Biden, a $3 trillion stimulus package from Trump, Fed Reserve that aren’t under the presidents control (I don’t know how many times this has to be said) increasing interests rates, wars, COVID lockdown under Trump, supply shortages and just horrible timing of events for both presidents got us here. That’s not blame. That’s just circumstances I don’t think anyone in either of their positions would’ve gotten right. Do me a solid and don’t respond to me. I’m annoyed at myself for even getting involved in this thread to begin with because I’ve seen how you dance around direct questions or points leading to absolutely no real discussion of facts. Sooooo ✌🏾 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6 15 hours ago, JoDoe27 said: …, COVID lockdown under Trump, … COVID lockdown by Democrat governors and mayors during Pres. Trump’s term. I think he realized that without declaring martial law he didn’t have that authority. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6 52 minutes ago, Bit Banger said: COVID lockdown by Democrat governors and mayors during Pres. Trump’s term. I think he realized that without declaring martial law he didn’t have that authority. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Bit Banger said: COVID lockdown by Democrat governors and mayors during Pres. Trump’s term. I think he realized that without declaring martial law he didn’t have that authority. Oh. One more. https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1249712404260421633?s=46&t=y3Jl2ovFrjYlIX5XkXi39Q 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7 On 7/6/2024 at 1:03 AM, JoDoe27 said: This is about the level of response I was expecting. I’m sad you didn’t mention the laptop! It was such a go to for you that I wondered how you’d work it in. Buuuuuuuut you did go back to the border. A tried and true, oldy but goody. Corporate greed of raising prices absurdly higher during inflated times, a 1.9 trillion stimulus package from Biden, a $3 trillion stimulus package from Trump, Fed Reserve that aren’t under the presidents control (I don’t know how many times this has to be said) increasing interests rates, wars, COVID lockdown under Trump, supply shortages and just horrible timing of events for both presidents got us here. That’s not blame. That’s just circumstances I don’t think anyone in either of their positions would’ve gotten right. Do me a solid and don’t respond to me. I’m annoyed at myself for even getting involved in this thread to begin with because I’ve seen how you dance around direct questions or points leading to absolutely no real discussion of facts. Sooooo ✌🏾 Im sorry you are so easily annoyed. Anybody with a reasonable amount of common sense would realize that the situation on our southern border is a very serious national security risk. Heres a fact for you. The FBI director has testified in front of congress that we are in the highest terror alert since 911. Im going to say this slowly so you can understand. If you let millions of people into your country with little or no vetting theres a real liklihood that alot of bad guys are showing up. Is that too hard to comprehend. And the guy responsible for this debacle is the guy who was out to lunch during the debate. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 7 11 hours ago, Newoldbull said: Im sorry you are so easily annoyed. Anybody with a reasonable amount of common sense would realize that the situation on our southern border is a very serious national security risk. Heres a fact for you. The FBI director has testified in front of congress that we are in the highest terror alert since 911. Im going to say this slowly so you can understand. If you let millions of people into your country with little or no vetting theres a real liklihood that alot of bad guys are showing up. Is that too hard to comprehend. And the guy responsible for this debacle is the guy who was out to lunch during the debate. Then why did GOP kowtow to trump and refuse to even vote on a border security bill that would have improved things greatly just to preserve an election issue for the Orange Nightmare to run on? And why if the FBI director was correct about largest threat of foreign terrorists yet (of course he was) did GOP vote to CUT FUNDING for the FBI? Not going to engage in pointless conversation with you as I am sure what I just said will go in one ear and out the other without disturbing anything in between. Just riddle me why anyone supports a serial adulterer, assaulter of women, constant liar, thief, fraud, traitor and convicted felon to be president. Finish reading Project 2025 yet? Rhetorical question, of course not!. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 8 On 7/4/2024 at 0:30 AM, Newoldbull said: I think the debate clealy showed that this man is not running the countryI But who is? It is a very scary time for our country! From a national security aspect we are in a precarious situation. People pouring into our southern border with hardly any vetting. Its just a recipe for disastor. It could be changed with the stroke of a pen but it was erased because Trump stopped it and Biden opened it up wide open. I think its time to set personalitys aside and look at results in November. I didnt mention all the other fuckups this administration has infllicted, inflation, energy prices, and just plain being stupid. But 3 years later its all Trumps fault. I have to close with there ludricous attempt to campaign on threat to democracy when they are using the DOJ and goverment agencies to against to go against political opponents. I know im going to catch hell in telling the truth but sometimes the truth hurts Sometimes the truth hurts because it might be lies. OK it's lies. Worried about national security concerns? How about having a President that can no longer be briefed on National security concerns because he is a convicted felon? A President that can't be let into 22 countries because he is a convicted felon? You want him running this country? Worried about the Southern border? How about a deal both sides Republican and the HATED Democrats made but The Orange idiot seemed to poo poo because it was an election year and that didn't suit his fancy? Border deal DENIED. Best piece of Bipartisan legislation in the past 25 years DENIDED. I'm with you somewhat, I find it very had to believe in a country with 350 million people that this is the best we can do is these two geriatric idiots. When it comes down to it really i would vote for a wet mop before I would vote for a convicted felon with many charges pending. What is WRONG with us? Years ago this wouldn't even been a talking point! An ex President is a convicted felon? And you are going to vote for him? Project 2025? Have you read this? Voting Democrat across the board, our future as a Republic depends on it. Keep religion and politics away from government. Unless you want an Iran here in the US. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 8 Why defeat the bipartisan border bill(s)? - Because it contained more pork for Israel & Ukraine than funds for border enforcement. - Because they allowed 5-10,000/day (depending on the version) across the border before it took effect. There are numerous reasons to close our borders: national security, the drain on social resources, and a respect for our laws, are just a few of them. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 8 2 hours ago, Bit Banger said: Why defeat the bipartisan border bill(s)? - Because it contained more pork for Israel & Ukraine than funds for border enforcement. - Because they allowed 5-10,000/day (depending on the version) across the border before it took effect. There are numerous reasons to close our borders: national security, the drain on social resources, and a respect for our laws, are just a few of them. Nonsense. It was the GOP that insisted the border be part of the Ukraine funding bill. Until they had delayed for months to aid Putin. How many thousands per day did trump's policies allow to enter? Why did Obama deprot far more than trump? The real problem is asylum without caps and once in the country and applying for asylum they are entitled to a hearing before an administrative law judge. That is the LAW. And there is such a backlog it takes five years or more for their application to get heard. The other problem being not nearly enough border agents or places to temporarily house asylum seekers. The proposed bill would have addressed ALL of that and would have greatly improved the situation. Was it perfect? No. Bipartisan deals never are. But it was far better than anything in the last 20 years and your Orange Nightmare idol killed it because getting elected is far more important to him than helping improve ANYTHING. And yes, the border should be closed except to legal entrants. Why won't the GOP do anything to assure that? And as I already asked, if there is a huge threat of terrorists entering why defund the agency protecting us from same - the FBI? Tired of listening to the nonsense. Supporting the GOP these days is insane and despicable and will remain so until they dump trump. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 8 2 hours ago, gr8owl said: Nonsense. It was the GOP that insisted the border be part of the Ukraine funding bill. Until they had delayed for months to aid Putin. How many thousands per day did trump's policies allow to enter? Why did Obama deprot far more than trump? The real problem is asylum without caps and once in the country and applying for asylum they are entitled to a hearing before an administrative law judge. That is the LAW. And there is such a backlog it takes five years or more for their application to get heard. The other problem being not nearly enough border agents or places to temporarily house asylum seekers. The proposed bill would have addressed ALL of that and would have greatly improved the situation. Was it perfect? No. Bipartisan deals never are. But it was far better than anything in the last 20 years and your Orange Nightmare idol killed it because getting elected is far more important to him than helping improve ANYTHING. And yes, the border should be closed except to legal entrants. Why won't the GOP do anything to assure that? And as I already asked, if there is a huge threat of terrorists entering why defund the agency protecting us from same - the FBI? Tired of listening to the nonsense. Supporting the GOP these days is insane and despicable and will remain so until they dump trump. To take this a step further a plan was also presented to separate the republican proposed bills for aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan from Biden’s border in hopes of passing something for border relief. So not only did the party screaming about borders get what they wanted which included initial support for those 3 countries they also got those bills removed when they said they had issue with it. And then still rejected the border relief they insisted upon. Like you can’t make this up. It’s literally all out there for everyone to read but my god some in here and even more in the country seemingly despise reading (explains the book bans and burnings) anything of truth. Good luck to you in having any sort of dialog here. Present facts; ask basic yet straight forward questions; watch as they tap dance around or just straight up not answer while moving the goalpost. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9 Well this thread has derailed. (As most political threads do) To get back to the topic of this thread the debate. Boy that sure was a train wreck. I use to do debate in high school, and for those not familar there are different formats. The one on one policy debate format is called Lincoln-Douglas debate. I doubt they are going to change the name to Trump-Biden debate anytime soon. The funniest part of the debate to me (besides for when Trump ripped ass) was when they started to argue about their golf handicaps. I was thinking, this is a presidential debate? It sounds like a debate on TOB. Watching the debate I was also thinking, if he just had a little more support in the polls, Robert Kennedy Jr could have been there too. That would have been crazy debate with those three. I saw RKJ had a debate alone in real time answering the questions as they were asked in the debate. I still have not watched it yet, but I can imagine. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 11 On 7/8/2024 at 1:02 PM, gr8owl said: Nonsense. It was the GOP that insisted the border be part of the Ukraine funding bill. Until they had delayed for months to aid Putin. How many thousands per day did trump's policies allow to enter? Why did Obama deprot far more than trump? The real problem is asylum without caps and once in the country and applying for asylum they are entitled to a hearing before an administrative law judge. That is the LAW. And there is such a backlog it takes five years or more for their application to get heard. The other problem being not nearly enough border agents or places to temporarily house asylum seekers. The proposed bill would have addressed ALL of that and would have greatly improved the situation. Was it perfect? No. Bipartisan deals never are. But it was far better than anything in the last 20 years and your Orange Nightmare idol killed it because getting elected is far more important to him than helping improve ANYTHING. And yes, the border should be closed except to legal entrants. Why won't the GOP do anything to assure that? And as I already asked, if there is a huge threat of terrorists entering why defund the agency protecting us from same - the FBI? Tired of listening to the nonsense. Supporting the GOP these days is insane and despicable and will remain so until they dump trump. You seem to forget that we wouldnt be having this debate if your president hadnt signed all of the executive orders that dismantled all of Trumps border polices on day one. The Stay in Mexico policy that required asylum seekers to stay in Mexico until there claims had been adjucated. Now we have the catch and release system where its "See you in 5 years" You seem to also forget Trump threatening Mexico tarriffs on there goods to intice Mexico to help patrol the border with there troops. Now our border patrol is totally swamped and the cartels control our border. Bit Banger hit the nail on the head on why the republicans voted down that phony bill. It was just a election year political ploy because they knew the border and economy are going to be big issues in November. They wanted make it look like they were ACUTUALLY going to do something when really they were not going to do anything. Bottom line: I dont think they want to stop it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 8 I don't pay attention to debates, polls, or other circus trappings. I'd rather spend my time in meaningful pursuits, like where in the world I'm going to expat to and (hopefully) live the rest of my life in a civilized society. And yes, one of my metrics for a civilized society is one that has decriminalized or outright legalized "the hobby". I have had the benefit of visiting such countries, and the "hobby" is just so much more... civilized. Question for the group: While there is no shortage of data on which State has the most people moving into it / moving out of it, why isn't there easily accessible data on how many people are leaving the US and what countries they are going to? It would make it so much easier... Just my (inflation adjusted) $0.02, worth everything you paid for it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
