FoxCar

HR vs 90min vs 2HR

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The “HH vs HR” thread seems to have gone off the rails, so I decided to start a new topic for longer sessions.

For a long time, I would only book one hour sessions, but now I hardly ever do. A few years ago, I started booking 90 minute or 2 hour dates, and I found I enjoy those much more. With only one hour, I couldn’t relax, and I’d always worry about running out of time.

Nowadays, if I’m seeing someone who will have a drink with me, I’ll book two hours. Spending some time sharing a drink and conversing at the beginning of the date, really makes a big difference in how the rest of the date goes.

If I’m seeing someone who doesn’t drink, or if I myself don’t feel like drinking, then I’ll only book 90 minutes.

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Well, goodie for you, Mr. Moneybags.

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1 hour ago, BadBoy said:

Well, goodie for you, Mr. Moneybags.

                                                                                           :rolleyes:

Oh my...snarky!    Unfortunately, I also can't afford longer dates...my loss! :(

Foxcar, I'm sincerely glad you've found your sweet spot, timewise! :)

 

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On 2/19/2020 at 6:12 PM, FoxCar said:

The “HH vs HR” thread seems to have gone off the rails, so I decided to start a new topic for longer sessions.

For a long time, I would only book one hour sessions, but now I hardly ever do. A few years ago, I started booking 90 minute or 2 hour dates, and I found I enjoy those much more. With only one hour, I couldn’t relax, and I’d always worry about running out of time.

Nowadays, if I’m seeing someone who will have a drink with me, I’ll book two hours. Spending some time sharing a drink and conversing at the beginning of the date, really makes a big difference in how the rest of the date goes.

If I’m seeing someone who doesn’t drink, or if I myself don’t feel like drinking, then I’ll only book 90 minutes.

Drinking is your reason for booking a longer or shorter session? Sorry I don’t fallow your reasoning?  Wondering if guzzling water would include “drinking” or how about downing cups of coffee? Is it about the need to urinate due to too much fluids? Fascinating! 

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On 2/19/2020 at 6:12 PM, FoxCar said:

The “HH vs HR” thread seems to have gone off the rails, so I decided to start a new topic for longer sessions.

For a long time, I would only book one hour sessions, but now I hardly ever do. A few years ago, I started booking 90 minute or 2 hour dates, and I found I enjoy those much more. With only one hour, I couldn’t relax, and I’d always worry about running out of time.

Nowadays, if I’m seeing someone who will have a drink with me, I’ll book two hours. Spending some time sharing a drink and conversing at the beginning of the date, really makes a big difference in how the rest of the date goes.

If I’m seeing someone who doesn’t drink, or if I myself don’t feel like drinking, then I’ll only book 90 minutes.

I'm right there with you FoxCar. I used to offer hhrs and they seemed like enough time to have some quick fun and move on. Then those felt rushed, and I started with one hour minimums. Now an hour feels rushed and I prefer 90 min minimums. I think the longer we play in this industry, we learn what works best. As a provider when I know every single hour is going to go over, it becomes easier to request 90mins minimums. I'm sure for you guys when you start to realize that every single appt, you wish you had booked a longer session, you change too. Nothing wrong with shorter sessions at all. Its just when you know what you like, might as well go with it. 

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10 minutes ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

I'm right there with you FoxCar. I used to offer hhrs and they seemed like enough time to have some quick fun and move on. Then those felt rushed, and I started with one hour minimums. Now an hour feels rushed and I prefer 90 min minimums. I think the longer we play in this industry, we learn what works best. As a provider when I know every single hour is going to go over, it becomes easier to request 90mins minimums. I'm sure for you guys when you start to realize that every single appt, you wish you had booked a longer session, you change too. Nothing wrong with shorter sessions at all. Its just when you know what you like, might as well go with it. 

Sorry!!

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5 minutes ago, gnarley_boy12 said:

Sorry!!

I'm confused. Sorry for what?

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10 minutes ago, Kali Sensual Reiki said:

Drinking is your reason for booking a longer or shorter session? Sorry I don’t fallow your reasoning?  Wondering if guzzling water would include “drinking” or how about downing cups of coffee? Is it about the need to urinate due to too much fluids? Fascinating! 

Damn lol what about a 12 hour session sober and focused?  Making a fabulous dinner together! Listening to all sorts of music not to forget about some pretty intense and incredible moments full of “O’s”?  Delicious, daring, as well as thought provoking sober memories! No need to be waisted on being stoned or drunk...lol I love the idea of going through life knowing what is going on! You know something? As boring as I may sound? I can count on 1hand and not even use all my fingers with telling you how many times I have been drunk. Sorry sweetheart but needing additional time because of alcohol consumption is very sad to me. 

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Just now, Kali Sensual Reiki said:

Damn lol what about a 12 hour session sober and focused?  Making a fabulous dinner together! Listening to all sorts of music not to forget about some pretty intense and incredible moments full of “O’s”?  Delicious, daring, as well as thought provoking sober memories! No need to be waisted on being stoned or drunk...lol I love the idea of going through life knowing what is going on! You know something? As boring as I may sound? I can count on 1hand and not even use all my fingers with telling you how many times I have been drunk. Sorry sweetheart but needing additional time because of alcohol consumption is very sad to me. 

Having a couple drinks on the couch before heading to the bed is not being stoned, wasted or drunk. Having additional time to relax and have cocktails together on the couch is no different that booking an extended outcall date meeting for drinks before heading to the house or hotel. You may prefer water or coffee, cooking or what have you, but there is absolutely nothing sad about the way he chooses to spend his time and money. Its common and normal for many actually. To each his own.

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Ha, this topic didn’t quite go the way I intended. I just wanted to see what reasons folks had for preferring longer dates.

Before writing this topic, I hadn’t really thought of why I sometimes book 90min, and why I sometimes book longer, and it occurred to me that having drinks was the most common difference between the two. But I don’t always have drinks during a 2 hour date. If it’s a summer afternoon, we might eat ice cream in bed between rounds one and two.

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9 minutes ago, FoxCar said:

Ha, this topic didn’t quite go the way I intended. I just wanted to see what reasons folks had for preferring longer dates.

Before writing this topic, I hadn’t really thought of why I sometimes book 90min, and why I sometimes book longer, and it occurred to me that having drinks was the most common difference between the two. But I don’t always have drinks during a 2 hour date. If it’s a summer afternoon, we might eat ice cream in bed between rounds one and two.

😂😂😂 Great go at your first topic! Lmao 

Considering you hopped right back on the thread, and didnt go cowering off in a corner, I think you'll fit right in with this crowd. 😜

For the record, I like chocolate ice cream and Dr Pepper floats.

 

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7 minutes ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

For the record, I like chocolate ice cream and Dr Pepper floats.

Noted for future reference 😁

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Longer calls with the right company are incredible. This I will agree with you on. Sorry I was so focused on your final sentence. And welcome to the group. I know you are personal friends with Hunter and that’s great! With telling you this though  I am also someone who life has been profoundly affected by alcoholics and drug users. i chose not to drink or do drugs that are not legally prescribed to me.  I would appreciate if my clients who come to see me have the same values and respect towards me as well as themselves.   Back a few months ago I had a client come to me with cocaine in his system and the fallowing day I went to the doctor and cocaine showed up in my system! I never felt anything from the cocaine or have I ever tried it or anything else of this nature.  Needless to say , I was very humiliated by the experience and I feel that I have every right to my own opinion on this particular topic and  in wishing to always stay safe by abstaining. Not drinking Kabucha much anymore either Hunter.  Alcohol is sugar and while once in  great while I might have some sugar (great while) Honestly though  I chose to live a full and safe life to the best of my ability not trying to venture down the wrong rabbit hole or condemn those who do.  
 Best of luck!  Ending here if you wish to continue this conversation? Call me or send me a private message! I have been through enough hell! Thank you! 

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I've found that one hour is perfect for me, gives me time to chat a little and not feel rushed on time.  Aside from the obvious part, I aim for what I consider a more realistic experience, something I would have with an actual person I was dating or in a relationship with.  I like it to go slowly and hopefully both parties get some fulfillment.  For me, one hour is plenty of time and then doesn't cross into the "please just finish" phase.  

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14 hours ago, FoxCar said:

Ha, this topic didn’t quite go the way I intended. I just wanted to see what reasons folks had for preferring longer dates.

Was just having fun with you earlier.  I agree, 90 minutes is the great sweet-spot, and back when 90 minutes was $400 or so, I would do 3-4 per month.  Unfortunately, my income has gone down a bit and since most gals I want to see are now $500 to $600 for 90 minutes, I am having to move things along a lot more quickly than I would prefer.

Never used to do hhr either, but nowadays it fits the time and financial budget better than it used to.

Not complaining, not trying to start a rate thread,  just pointing out that I have had to adjust my activities to reflect the new reality.

Good for you kids that can afford 90 - do it while you can, moneybags.

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9 hours ago, Kali Sensual Reiki said:

  i chose not to drink or do drugs that are not legally prescribed to me. 

   Agreed, I haven't had a drink of alcohol since the early 1970s. Not a drop of it is in my house to offer anyone. That said,I do like a bit of conversation to put each other at ease.

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I'll chime in here FoxCar. For me, I don't know if I have found an exact time sweet spot yet. I absolutely prefer an hr session. It feels less rushed that way. Both parties can relax more and feel free to converse; not keep glancing at a clock or watch. Now, having said that, I have done several hhr session for various reasons; msog was not an option for an hr, was pressed for time because I failed to manage my time correctly(traffic, other time constraints). Going back to your statement about having a drink; I usually ask the lady if she would like anything to drink(doesn't have to be alcohol). Not many ladies have taken me up on this offer, some have though. I have never had a session where I was intoxicated or tipsy- I would simply have a drink with a lady to help break the ice(no pun intended). I'm glad you found your magic time for sessions with a lady. Carry on!

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It’s all good folks. I could have posed the topic better, and I did come off a bit humble-braggy, while over-emphasizing the drinks part. And I agree that 90 min is the sweet spot for most dates. I guess a better way to have explained it would by that I prefer two hours when I want some semblance of a civvy date.

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Like this topic!! I have always preferred longer sessions. I suppose a big part of my reasoning is the old school romantic in me. Yes, I know it is a business transaction. Not fooling myself. Don't need to be lectured.  However, I thoroughly enjoy taking the extra effort, and time, to make the entire experience as enjoyable as possible for my playmate as well as for me. I think allowing time to ease into fun makes a big difference. Taking extra time to playfully discuss what she really likes and what I really like is exciting! Teasing, flirting with one another over a glass of wine or cold beer builds anticipation. At least it does for me and almost always for her as well. And, you must, simply must,  have time to cuddle afterwards!!  We each have our own needs and ways to play. 90 min, 2 hour+ just works best for me.

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31 minutes ago, oldertruckguy-9225 said:

Like this topic!! I have always preferred longer sessions. I suppose a big part of my reasoning is the old school romantic in me. Yes, I know it is a business transaction. Not fooling myself. Don't need to be lectured.  However, I thoroughly enjoy taking the extra effort, and time, to make the entire experience as enjoyable as possible for my playmate as well as for me. I think allowing time to ease into fun makes a big difference. Taking extra time to playfully discuss what she really likes and what I really like is exciting! Teasing, flirting with one another over a glass of wine or cold beer builds anticipation. At least it does for me and almost always for her as well. And, you must, simply must,  have time to cuddle afterwards!!  We each have our own needs and ways to play. 90 min, 2 hour+ just works best for me.

I love that you make time for cuddling. Cuddling is a must for me as well, although I have taken the suggestion of a friend, and after some time cuddling, ask if my partner would like a little body rub. There is amazing conversation and connection to be made in the cuddling/body rubbing at the end. 💙💙💙

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It seems obvious to me that the amount of time will correlate directly with the type of experience you are looking for. If you want the GFE /3C experience....Conversation, Connection, Cuddling....that is going to take more time. MSOG will take more time also. If you are looking for a blow and go, quick 3G, or other one shot blitz, 30 minutes should be plenty of time. When I was younger for example, I loved aggressive women who would launch insatiable 69 attacks for two intense hours of MSOG. Older now, that can be reduced to a one shot and 30 minute attack. For me, the whole GFE\3C was meaningless.......Whenever, if ever,  I wanted that, I would get a girl friend. From my vantage point the term "GFE" was always kind of stupid. I have had plenty of GF's in my lifetime, and I do not recall time limits, condoms, and hundreds of dollars in rates being a part of it....now....a sexually aggressive, impatient, insatiable, oral freakazoid  woman?...that is an entirely different situation all together!

 

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My preferred session is a dinner date.  Plenty of time for conversation;  cuddles afterwards are wonderful.

The advantage of GFE vs. GF is that she goes home afterwards (or you do).  
As the famous Ravenous Randi said, “You don’t pay us to come f**k your brains out.  You pay us to leave when we’re done.”

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Starting out, I'd schedule 30 minutes with a lady I'd not seen before. That invariably proved to be too short as between the pre-foreplay foreplay of drinks/convo preceding the traditional foreplay appetizer, and the main course time inevitably ran out and the session felt rushed. So I went to an hour minimum, which was better for a lady I hadn't seen before but still too short for one I was seeing again (or again and again) so 90 minutes became standard in that case. Happily, at the best of times, time ceased to be counted altogether.

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Noticed none of the ladies off week long sessions.bummer as the porn cruise is coming up .

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1 hour ago, JRWolfe said:

Noticed none of the ladies off week long sessions.bummer as the porn cruise is coming up .

This is where that “ugly” word creeps into our community.

                         NEGOTIATE!

 Call or PM one on our lively ladies & make what you consider a reasonable offer. (Not 24 x 7 x HR rate). Be prepared for her to make a counter offer.  If her’s is way beyond your means, say sorry and contact someone else. If not, start hammering out the details of a deal.

All of my travel companions have been wiling to discuss reasonable options.  Each has had different concerns, not all of them monetary.

 

Is it haggling if it’s not a published engagement option?  I think not, if you conduct negotiations respectfully.

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1 hour ago, JRWolfe said:

Noticed none of the ladies off week long sessions.bummer as the porn cruise is coming up .

If I had to spend an entire week with a client or any other person for that matter, I'd be throwing either them, or myself overboard before the 7 days was up. Real talk. I'm a loner. It's hard enough with close family. 

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It’s not uncommon for ladies to offer overnight or weekend dates, but week long trips together are super rare. Even if you are taking her on her dream vacation, she can’t book any other dates while she’s with you, so most providers will want to be compensated appropriately.

And I agree with Hunter. Spending that much time with someone is not easy. What if you get bored with each other after a day or two? Ugh, what a nightmare.

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I never schedule less than an hour, and often future visits are longer. As connections build the visits include social functions which sometimes end up being over nighters. Compensated of course.

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2 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

If I had to spend an entire week with a client or any other person for that matter, I'd be throwing either them, or myself overboard before the 7 days was up. Real talk. I'm a loner. It's hard enough with close family. 

I get that travel dates are not for everyone.  And as already mentioned, everyone has their own concerns.  
 

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7 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

I get that travel dates are not for everyone.  And as already mentioned, everyone has their own concerns.  
 

Dude, if you’ve have great experiences with travel dates, then that’s awesome. I’m kinda jealous, honestly. I guess I haven’t found the right person, but both times I’ve tried an overnight date have been underwhelming.

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