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I"ve never understood why a provider would be interested in working with a pimp.  I am open-minded and would like to understand what value, if any, they provide.  All I see is someone taking your hard earned money away from you.  Help please??

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Pimps pray on the naïve provider.  They have no value from a business point of view.  Their smooth talking lies captivate the inexperienced and they take everything they can get before they're found out.  I have the utmost respect for those providers who are independent business owners.  Have you ever noticed how pimps talk? 

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To the OP, I know your question is rhetorical, however:

A.  I don't think you'd get any pimped ladies to come into this thread and explain why they 'enjoy' or are 'forced' into this lifestyle, and 

B. Any pimps to explain the benefits to the services they provide

As for influencing ladies, @COclimber for the record, not ALL pimps are males! :cool:

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1 hour ago, BigBaldBlk said:

To the OP, I know your question is rhetorical, however:

A.  I don't think you'd get any pimped ladies to come into this thread and explain why they 'enjoy' or are 'forced' into this lifestyle, and 

B. Any pimps to explain the benefits to the services they provide

As for influencing ladies, @COclimber for the record, not ALL pimps are males! :cool:

🙌🙌🙌🙌 

As a lady with friends who partake in such business.... its not really any of yours or my business to question the way they run their business. 

But i highly agree with BBB. Theyll never tell... and so many mistake pimps to be males...

Its not all "hustle and flo" pimps and hos in 2019.... some of the providers really think theyre in a relationship with their pimp....🙄

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As I recall a research paper published by the FreakEnomics folks(*), a study of prostitution on Chicago’s South Side found that hookers with pimps actually had a greater take-home income than independents.

 

(*) I looked for a citation, but couldn’t find one with my limited traveling resources.

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17 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

As I recall a research paper published by the FreakEnomics folks(*), a study of prostitution on Chicago’s South Side found that hookers with pimps actually had a greater take-home income than independents.

 

(*) I looked for a citation, but couldn’t find one with my limited traveling resources.

Look up Sudhir Venkatesh. He did the research but trying to find the info is just buried. 

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I have talked with a few girls over the years. Some had dumped the guy while I found a few were still pimped. I always try to avoid them myself. You never really know until they actually tell you. 

One girl had due to poor choices,  agreed to be managed. She had become homeless and living in her car. Decided to try the streets. He found her and offered her a real home to live in. Own bedroom, bathroom, hot shower and a home cooked meals. Her name wasn't on the register, he made the ads, provided the transportation, scheduled appointments and extra muscle if they didn't pay. Only saw her once.

Another actually had her boyfriend doing all that. He supposedly  lost his job, so she was doing this to get them by. Said he would drive and after she would give him all the cash. He took the pictures for the ads, placed them and was close by if something came up. Bailed her out once.

Another actually loved the guy. Thought they would marry. He would sweet talk her into believing she was working to buy this big house. In the end she found out she wasn't the only girl giving him the proceeds. She lost 2 1/2 yrs of her life. Was penniless. Then went independent once she left.

So being at the end of your rope or last cent can make you do just about anything. The offer to make it all disappear overnight can be a very tempting offer. A drowning person will grab onto anything to keep from drowning. So these girls will do the same,  to get from the frying pan into the fryer. 

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4 hours ago, BigBaldBlk said:

To the OP, I know your question is rhetorical, however:

A.  I don't think you'd get any pimped ladies to come into this thread and explain why they 'enjoy' or are 'forced' into this lifestyle, and 

B. Any pimps to explain the benefits to the services they provide

As for influencing ladies, @COclimber for the record, not ALL pimps are males! :cool:

True. I'll add not all persons being pimped are inexperienced either. 

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2 hours ago, MeganMarie4u said:

🙌🙌🙌🙌 

As a lady with friends who partake in such business.... its not really any of yours or my business to question the way they run their business. 

I'd hardly call it running "their" business if they give all their money to a pimp. More like running their pimps business.

But i highly agree with BBB. Theyll They'll never tell... and so many mistake pimps to be males...

Its not all "hustle and flo" pimps and hos in 2019.... some of the providers really think theyre in a relationship with their pimp....🙄

Sadly 

 

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2 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

As I recall a research paper published by the FreakEnomics folks(*), a study of prostitution on Chicago’s South Side found that hookers with pimps actually had a greater take-home income than independents.

 

(*) I looked for a citation, but couldn’t find one with my limited traveling resources.

Maybe because they HAVE to get out and work to give that hard earned money away to their pimp? That's horrible. I'd rather be independent, make less, and keep my all money. Thanks.

 

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3 hours ago, MeganMarie4u said:

 

its not really any of yours or my business to question the way they run their business. 

 

   this

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35 minutes ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

Maybe because they HAVE to get out and work to give that hard earned money away to their pimp? That's horrible. I'd rather be independent, make less, and keep my all money. Thanks.

 

That could be part of it.  But it also had to do with protection,  having established working territory with reduced competition, and possibly regulars.  

At what point do we make the distinction between booking agent, madam, manager, and pimp?

I’ve known a few folks who managed girls.  The gals decided when they wanted to work (like an independent), but the manager provided facilities and arranged bookings for a flat fee.  I’ve also known gals who provided an answering service for working gals, keeping their appointment book.  Then there’s the pimps like Jello.

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The pimped ladies I've met, and I've met a few over my lifetime do ALL the work, have zero protection and give their money away to their pimps. I have met ladies that were pimped in brothels, and they sent the money they made back home to their pimp. If the lady is crying because she doesn't have any money to give her pimp that's not a good thing. You can draw your line wherever you want Bit. 

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21 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

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At what point do we make the distinction between booking agent, madam, manager, and pimp?

There is none !

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37 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

At what point do we make the distinction between booking agent, madam, manager, and pimp?

 

16 minutes ago, Kaduk said:

There is none !

On that I would strongly disagree.

I agree that unscrupulous individuals like Jello(*) should be treated with contempt.  But there is also a level where managers facilitate a working gal’s career, with varying degrees of control and greed.  As Megan says it’s not really our business what YL’s comfortable level is, provided she IS comfortable.

 

(*) For those who don’t remember, Jello was as local pimp with a Castle Rick estate and BAD reputation.

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1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

 

On that I would strongly disagree.

I agree that unscrupulous individuals like Jello(*) should be treated with contempt.  But there is also a level where managers facilitate a working gal’s career, with varying degrees of control and greed.  As Megan says it’s not really our business what YL’s comfortable level is, provided she IS comfortable.

 

(*) For those who don’t remember, Jello was as local pimp with a Castle Rick estate and BAD reputation.

I agree with you.

2 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

At what point do we make the distinction between booking agent, madam, manager, and pimp?

 

 

2 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

The pimped ladies I've met, and I've met a few over my lifetime do ALL the work, have zero protection and give their money away to their pimps.

And therein lies the distinction. If they are screening, managing appointments, setting up flights, hotels etc. That is the work of an agent. Ladies working for such agencies are paying for the convenience of not having to deal with this. A pimp is a parasite. They do little more than siphon money from their victims. They are more prone to eliminate the 'choice' factor from the women they're dealing with and use force rather than management. At least that's my take on it. I have dealt with several agencies in the past. I like working with them. At the end of the day, if it's not me the lady is with it's going to be someone else. I think they'd prefer me to someone wanting to beat them.

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3 hours ago, Vassago said:

 

And therein lies the distinction. If they are screening, managing appointments, setting up flights, hotels etc. That is the work of an agent. Ladies working for such agencies are paying for the convenience of not having to deal with this.

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This thread is making me giggle. The distinction Btwn pimp and agency is killing me. 

A pimp can screen, manage appointments, take a cut and not beat his/her heauxs. They DO exist. They are not all gorilla pimps. Over the years I have met MANY managed ladies, happily managed at that!  Some men commenting on this thread have even left glowing reviews for them! Ha. 

Like a few have said it’s non ya bidness. And you’d never ReALLY know unless she was honest with you. In all my time in the business I have met at least 10 women open to me about being managed. I think they just wanted me on the team though! 🤣 of course I have asked what the  benefits are and here are a few things i can recall one chick telling me 

protection

secretary/screens for them

 Camaraderie/ feeling of family 

There were others but I think those are the ones worthy of listing  

Now with all that said, i work too hard to be carrying a man with me on my way to the top. Thats actually My idea of a nightmare, a personal pussy dehydrator - a man without his own hustle/job/income living off my goods?  🤮 Couldnt be me  🤷🏽‍♀️ 

 

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4 hours ago, Just Jos said:

This thread is making me giggle. The distinction Btwn pimp and agency is killing me. 

 

 

   A real agency is licensed. In the adult entertainment industry, girls go with licensed agencies for being booked as feature dancers, magazine models and videos.  Escorts are a different story altogether.

Nice that you are working hard on your way to the top. But the top of which part of the industry ?

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22 minutes ago, JRWolfe said:

   A real agency is licensed. In the adult entertainment industry, girls go with licensed agencies for being booked as feature dancers, magazine models and videos.  Escorts are a different story altogether.

Nice that you are working hard on your way to the top. But the top of which part of the industry ?

I’m confused by your question. The only part of the industry I’m in is fssw. 

And if we go by your definition of agency then all the agencies that come through here are not actual agencies? Is that your point?  I’m just trying to take what you want me to understand :-) 

 

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Perhaps I am naive, but to me the distinction is pretty strait forward.  Who is working for who?  I have known a lady or two who hired one or more of the following: driver/emergency help, phone answering/screening/booking, accounting, marketing.  They chose to retain these services to allow them to not spend a shit load of time on the tedious parts of the biz that they hate, and also in case of driver/help to feel more safe.  I have also known a couple that worked for someone else who did all that and more and also dictated how many hours and days and dates they were expected to bring in.  Those ladies worked for someone else.  So to me the lady that either handles everything herself OR hires a person or persons to do many of the pain in the ass but necessary details is a strong independent woman who works for herself and hires others to help in the biz, who are of course paid.  The lady that works for someone else  who collects all the money, pays her a fraction of the take (less clothes, rent meals, etc. bs) has some level of control (for some sadly almost total) over her hours, clients, days, location etc. she is being pimped out, and the person or company or agent or madam, manager or whatever benign term one wants to use - is a pimp, plain and simple.  They vary from slick opportunists that make money off the hard work of someone else all the way to abusive, controlling scum of the earth.  But what is the difference between a pimp and not a pimp - as I said, to me it is simply who works for who.  Which business model a lady chooses is her business, with my only issue being the ones that are pretty much forced into the abusive, controlling scum model by dire circumstances and false promises.  For my part and to the extent possible I only see those who at least appear to be truly independent.  Each to their own.

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I almost like this except then I think we’d classify agencies as pimps Bc the escort is def working for the agency in my opinion. 

How does one “appear” to be independent? Not agency wise but pimp wise? I just want to make sure I’m doing whatever that is! 🤣 Should I take a pic with a sign that says “Sucka Free” ? 

I’m bored today, clearly. 🤪

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I see a lot of the confusion here just stemming from black and white definitions versus shades of gray.  Personally, I see a lot of different shades.  The traditional definition of “pimp” has largely been someone who pretty much owns the provider at almost a master/slave level.  An agent would be someone who entirely is employed by the provider.

I don’t think those are the only scenarios, though.  An agency (whether it’s a single person or a group organized as a company) that a provider may even technically be employed by might provide the website, ads and marketing, appointments, whatever.  If the provider is happy with the arrangement overall and can leave any time she wants, I think it’s a far cry from calling that a “pimp” scenario.  It’s no different than any consultant working for a firm like Cap Gemini or Accenture.

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I understand your point about definitions and such but to think that pimps only move the way you’ve described is naive. They are constantly changing games and tactics and Ive found that the ones with the most success at keeping their women (around and happy) are the ones who as someone mentioned above act like the girls boyfriend. While their is certainly a high level of manipulation in these relationships there is no strong arming the woman into working or even staying. The definition isn’t as black and white as you’re trying to make it 

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I think the only way to define pimp is the way the Supreme Court decided to define  obscene  - I’ll know it when I see it kinda thing. LOL 

This was fun. And that is that for me on pimps :-) 

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1 hour ago, Just Jos said:

I almost like this except then I think we’d classify agencies as pimps Bc the escort is def working for the agency in my opinion. 

How does one “appear” to be independent? Not agency wise but pimp wise? I just want to make sure I’m doing whatever that is! 🤣 Should I take a pic with a sign that says “Sucka Free” ? 

I’m bored today, clearly. 🤪

red - they ARE.  Rather benign softies compared to the violent and abusive variety, but pimps nonetheless.  I do not care for euphemisms or candy coating for prime time and pop music.  The definition:

pimp
/pimp/
noun
 
  1. a man who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them, taking part of their earnings in return.
     
    Similar:
    procurer
     
     
    procuress
     
     
    go-between
     
     
    brothel-keeper
     
     
    madam
     
     
    souteneur
     
     
    ponce
     
     
    hoon
     
    pander
     
     
    panderess
     
    mack
     
     
    bawd
     
     
    fancy man
     
     
I highlighted the word control, because again - who works for who?
 
Many indications of having a pimp in the closet, not all of which I care to share but including amongst others:
 

Regular visiting providers, where when you see an ad for one, you know it is a matter of a hour to a day max you will see two or three more ladies whose travel schedule is always the same.  In one case, they all are same height, weight, build and same rules and so much alike the "manager" has gotten the pics mixed up on occasion lol!!

 

 

Traveling lady that is late teens or early twenties that stays a week before moving on and continues on a circuit.  She would have you believe she manages everything herself - travel, rooms, appointments, screening, everything - yet she can't string together an intelligent sentence of more than five or six words.

 

Language of ads - most ladies that write their own advertising and website do not come off sounding like they are describing the latest and best cut of meat.  Pimps generally do.

 

 
 
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There always seems to be an obsession with pimps. Yep, the biggest screamers against pimps always seem to be hobbyists who are overwhelmingly older white men. I think it tears many of them apart that these gals, many of whom are young, white and pretty, are giving it all to their daddies, many of whom are black.  Not just their money and bodies, but often their love and devotion. Yep, many of these gals love their pimps, have kids with them, even share him with other ladies in the stable.

Who cares  what these gals are doing in their private lives? As long as she isn't ripping people off, has a good reputation and delivers the goods, so what if she gives her money away?  As long as she's of legal age, that's her decision.

Hobby guys puff out their chest and declare with righteous indignation that they hate pimps and will never see a pimped lady. Hell, I think the hobby guys are just as bad. Many have wives at home and they're screwing around with hookers. Then, they have sex with their wives and possibly expose them to any number of STD's. The wives have no idea that having sex with their husbands may endanger not only their health but possibly their lives.

I see these arguments all the time..."pimps are scum but agencies are ok"......"a manager is ok but not a pimp"...."amp's are ok but pimps are the lowest scum on the face of the earth".  I guess all those places are ok as long as they're not being run by a "Tyrone".

 

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I'm glad some of you are throwing out some of the grooming lingo pimped ladies use to recruit independent ladies. Obviously, they don't refer to them as their pimp, it is their "friend". 

And this "friend" is such a nice person, and they do so much for everyone else.

This provider with a friend might want you to help them do something special to show their appreciation for this person, and that something special might be a 2 girl. Okay that sounds cool right?

What, when, where, how long, how much??? 

Oh wait no, this is something special they want to "give" to them.

Oh girl I don't fuck clients for free. Lol.

This isn't a client. This is someone special in their personal life. 

Oh girl I dont have anyone in my personal life I'm fucking for free either. Lol. 

Thinking to myself...Damn did this girl really think she could turn me out like that. Me? 

I'm not down with the it's none of anyone's business thinking. I used to believe that too until they started trying to recruit myself and my friends. I want to support all sex workers, but I do draw a line somewhere. That's just me. It's not cool. 

 

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I'm with the OP on this one, and I'm surprised we don't all know what a pimp is. Personally, I think the pimp game is whack on all levels. That's just my opinion. I know all providers make their own decisions in this regard, but I encourage all ladies to be independent. 

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