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Alternative screening ideas. I want to know.

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 Id love to hear alternative screening ideas out side of reference,Deposits,RL info. Also new hobby friendly ideas!! 

 

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This is something that should not be spoken out on a public forum... *sort of the "show the mouse the mousetrap"* .. BTW...deposits are Not screening...anyone, LE included will do deposits (as they have in the past in some markets) 

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14 minutes ago, Calik8 said:

 Id love to hear alternative screening ideas out side of reference,Deposits,RL info. Also new hobby friendly ideas!!

One time I was screened by meeting up for coffee first and having a short conversation at a coffee shop. This first meeting was free. I don't think it was an efficient method in terms of cost/benefit, but I liked having a small chat with the lady beforehand.

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28 minutes ago, MelindaMadison said:

This is something that should not be spoken out on a public forum... *sort of the "show the mouse the mousetrap"* .. BTW...deposits are Not screening...anyone, LE included will do deposits (as they have in the past in some markets) 

I am curious to see Male perspective. I don’t see a problem with speaking Here to gather knowledge.

 I’ve heard a lot of complaints from the male end On screening. so I want to hear their voice and opinions. 

Now with that if any one on the thread has ideas and doesn’t want to say them here then please pm me.

 

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48 minutes ago, MelindaMadison said:

This is something that should not be spoken out on a public forum... *sort of the "show the mouse the mousetrap"* .. BTW...deposits are Not screening...anyone, LE included will do deposits (as they have in the past in some markets) 

I totally agree.  But a private message to Calik8 would work. 

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2 hours ago, MelindaMadison said:

.. BTW...deposits are Not screening...anyone, LE included will do deposits (as they have in the past in some markets) 

Yep# Nola and The Bayou City are known for that with Touring Ladies to get them there :( I have seen it happen a few times. 

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4 hours ago, Calik8 said:

 Id love to hear alternative screening ideas out side of reference,Deposits,RL info. Also new hobby friendly ideas!! 

 

How is it possible to screen without references or real world info??? How would the guys contribute to that? Basically, the alternative is... The guy says I have seen no one who can say I treated them well in a session, respected their boundaries, didn't rip them off, or harm them in in any way, and on top of that i will give you no info about myself that you could use against me if i treat you badly, or to prove I won't put you in some zip ties with your hands behind tour back. This is not a safe thread IMO. If you choose to take those chances, that's your decision, but this is not safe under any circumstances. 

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Personally I do not think it matters from what side the perspective is from when it comes to issues like this and it is not something that needs to be discussed in a public forum....It seems to me that there are too many people here who are trying to set standards for something that is something that is personal and this is starting to remind me of government regulations...There are some areas in our lives that there is not a place for government and their regulations and this is one of those areas, so lets not try to bring that here or you might find that many people who feel the same stop coming around here, unless that is what you are trying to do with your inquiries....

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Not sure if this advances the conversation, but my scenario is simple. I have TOB references and P411 "OKs". If that works for a provider, great. If not, I'll look elsewhere. I am sympathetic to the fact that providers wanting to expanding their business may need to consider clients outside of the population of those similar to me in terms of credentials, but I am unwilling to provide more RW info than what is already out there. Too much risk, and plenty of providers who accept what I can already reference. 

 

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My question here was ideas out side of the normal not that I would personally take on but to see where and what people’s thoughts are on alternatives. I’m sorry if this is upsetting to anyone. That wasn’t my intention. I was speaking with a reg and this had come up in conversation so I thought why not bring up the conversation in a place where I felt I would be able to ask with out being “hung out to dry”.  It was more to get a male point a view.

I’m stuck in my ways and screen the way I do as I know it’s safe after being around as long as I have(not on tob but in the hobby) 

but doesn’t mean I am not interested in hearing others thoughts!!!

 

fuck I can’t fucking win some crowds

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9 minutes ago, Calik8 said:

fuck I can’t fucking win some crowds

Don't worry! You could start a thread saying "I love bunnies!", and someone would disagree, and tell us all about it. We actually have two resident trolls, 2Big and Mr Pink, who TRY to offend, and stir up shit.

You're cute, and sweet, and I suspect most of us like you. 

I say, just keep doing what you do! :P

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32 minutes ago, pfunk said:

Don't worry! You could start a thread saying "I love bunnies!", and someone would disagree, and tell us all about it. We actually have two resident trolls, 2Big and Mr Pink, who TRY to offend, and stir up shit.

You're cute, and sweet, and I suspect most of us like you. 

I say, just keep doing what you do! :P

Thank you love :wub: 

Haha that’s so true.

i ignore almost 99.99% of what comes out of 2big’s mouth/keyboard.

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57 minutes ago, Calik8 said:

My question here was ideas out side of the normal not that I would personally take on but to see where and what people’s thoughts are on alternatives. I’m sorry if this is upsetting to anyone. That wasn’t my intention. I was speaking with a reg and this had come up in conversation so I thought why not bring up the conversation in a place where I felt I would be able to ask with out being “hung out to dry”.  It was more to get a male point a view.

I’m stuck in my ways and screen the way I do as I know it’s safe after being around as long as I have(not on tob but in the hobby) 

but doesn’t mean I am not interested in hearing others thoughts!!!

 

fuck I can’t fucking win some crowds

You know me @Calik8, I don't like to tell any lady how she has to run her business. We make our own choices about how we conduct our business, and what works for us as individuals. We get the benefits and rewards, and we suffer the negative consequences of our choices sometimes too. No one else has to. I've known quite of few ladies who don't screen with refs or RW info. Although, I dont agree with that, and find it very scary, there are plenty of ladies who let me know they think its dangerous or scary the way I screen through references only. We agree on alot, but we're not going to agree on everything. 

I noticed you're interested in more of the hobbyist perspectives sometimes. Maybe it would help to add in the title of your posts "For the gents only" on those posts. Just suggestion. 

By the way, I think you're lovely, and was not upset with you at all. I just had a strong opinion on this subject.  💋

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3 minutes ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

You know me @Calik8, I don't like to tell any lady how she has to run her business. We make our own choices about how we conduct our business, and what works for us as individuals. We get the benefits and rewards, and we suffer the negative consequences of our choices sometimes too. No one else has to. I've known quite of few ladies who don't screen with refs or RW info. Although, I dont agree with that, and find it very scary, there are plenty of ladies who let me know they think its dangerous or scary the way I screen through references only. We agree on alot, but we're not going to agree on everything. 

I noticed you're interested in more of the hobbyist perspectives sometimes. Maybe it would help to add in the title of your posts "For the gents only" on those posts. Just suggestion. 

By the way, I think you're lovely, and was not upset with you at all. I just had a strong opinion on this subject.  💋

Ok Thank you love for clearing that and good idea about adding for the gents on the titles ❤️❤️

Im blessed that I have you and other beautiful ladies to confidently ask opinions.

 

as for not screening at all I know how scary that is and I’m with with it would make me uncomfortable as well.

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Imo, do what makes you feel comfortable.

In the big scheme of things, "screening" is never going to be 100%. Never really know lady giving references and what's going on with her at that point. Online databases might be inaccurate (example: lady looked up my cell, said "oh, you live in this town", but did not live there as her database was bad at determining where cell providers numbers were allocated to). Not too difficult to concoct an online persona. LE has all sorts of ways to get fake IDs. Online personas don't mean anything once behind closed doors.

Meet ups, if LE wants to make life difficult, can run in on blown up charges, make one jump through hoops with DA and lawyers to drop charges.

As mentioned, deposits probably won't mean a thing.

Physical "LE checks" mean  nothing as plenty of stories where LE has plenty of leeway to lie.

I guess best option is to develop a wide net of ladies to back channel with. If things get odd (ie. PD wants to run a sting), lay low a day or two, as LE, imo, will be going after low lying fruit, and then will move on to other things. Unless one has other enforcement issues going on (think agencies, tax evasion, wire fraud).  

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13 hours ago, Bora Bora said:

One time I was screened by meeting up for coffee first and having a short conversation at a coffee shop. This first meeting was free. I don't think it was an efficient method in terms of cost/benefit, but I liked having a small chat with the lady beforehand.

I would LOVE that also BB...  I mentioned this idea once before and last week mentioned the idea of having a night out and socializing (no work so no pay) like adults do at a bar.  Just talking, getting to know one another outside of a "session setting" and hopefully the provider presents themselves in such an attractive way that hobbyists would be eager to schedule.  It isn't the most effective way to market, smaller crowd reached but would love to see it occasionally. 

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9 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

 

How is it possible to screen without references or real world info??? How would the guys contribute to that? Basically, the alternative is... The guy says I have seen no one who can say I treated them well in a session, respected their boundaries, didn't rip them off, or harm them in in any way, and on top of that i will give you no info about myself that you could use against me if i treat you badly, or to prove I won't put you in some zip ties with your hands behind tour back. This is not a safe thread IMO. If you choose to take those chances, that's your decision, but this is not safe under any circumstances. 

I won’t see someone who doesn’t want to screen with the traditional methods. 

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9 hours ago, pfunk said:

Don't worry! You could start a thread saying "I love bunnies!", and someone would disagree, and tell us all about it ...

I hate F’ng little bunnies!  Running all over the place, obscene behaviors, chewing on everything in the garden!  Diseased critters aren’t even good for hasenpfeffer. 😡

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9 hours ago, pfunk said:

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You're cute, and sweet, and I suspect most of us like you. 

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Yep, and we haven’t even met.

Regarding the comments on using a coffee for screening, I would imagine that there are too many “looky lous” for this to be cost effective.  Though you might offer a 1/2hr first date coffee in the $10-20 range.  Even as low as that seems, it will weed out freeloaders.  If they pass screening, arrange a future date for a full session.  You could apply their coffee fee towards that future session.

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Using a coffee date to screen can lead to you wearing metal bracelets.

A few short years ago, a few well known ladies of TOB & P411 (they will remain nameless) did coffee dates and based on the coffee dates, they gave okays to the guy(s) they met even though there was no appointment behind closed doors.

As a result of those coffee dates and subsequent okay's, LE managed to infiltrate our community and setup appointments and busted several ladies.

Once you have screened a gentleman and he has passed your screening methods, there is nothing wrong with a preliminary meeting in public to further meet, get to know each other a little bit and let the both of you determine if you want to move forward with an adventure involving the both of you.

 

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41 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

I hate F’ng little bunnies!  Running all over the place, obscene behaviors, chewing on everything in the garden!  Diseased critters aren’t even good for hasenpfeffer. 😡

— 🤪🤪😜😛😜🤪🤪 —

Yep, and we haven’t even met.

Regarding the comments on using a coffee for screening, I would imagine that there are too many “looky lous” for this to be cost effective.  Though you might offer a 1/2hr first date coffee in the $10-20 range.  Even as low as that seems, it will weed out freeloaders.  If they pass screening, arrange a future date for a full session.  You could apply their coffee fee towards that future session.

Unfortunately as I was informed by another post Law used this a few years ago on p411 to get escorts. I wouldn’t do it regardless but still glad to know as much as you can to avoid LE.

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good post - 411 on how to date safer is always good for the HW.

'my' truth be told the best screening i know of is a referral system within the board community.  Johns need to ask their ATF's who they know are safe dates, have met or correspond with, and trust would be a safe date - after all who knows more about what you like than your ATF.  And the ladies should do the same.  After all who would know more about what a date is like than those ladies who have been on several dates with the guy. 

and the PM network is a good thing because it keeps it BCD.

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The best advertising is word of mouth. Here,  the traditional reference is best. It's only flaw is the lady not getting back or not wanting to share  her client.  As for meeting out in public, things can go South just as bad. You just have to word your conversation correctly. They can only arrest you for specific wording. Not what they think you were talking about.  A coffee date can be just that. Never mention certain acts in exchange for anything of value

The only other option would be private events, where providers invite only clients they have visited. A 3 to 1 ratio would keep it small enough. No activities or mention of them allowed. Girls get in free and guys pay a charge for the catering/drinks. You can mingle and talk. If the guy seems nice, you would remember your conversation.  He was there because the other girl thought he was safe. Just keep the event between yourselves, offline and have a code word to enter. Yes, someone has to step-up and be in charge. Also girls might get a booking and not show up. It is only a suggestion. 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, ilovewomen said:

Using a coffee date to screen can lead to you wearing metal bracelets.

A few short years ago, a few well known ladies of TOB & P411 (they will remain nameless) did coffee dates and based on the coffee dates, they gave okays to the guy(s) they met even though there was no appointment behind closed doors.

As a result of those coffee dates and subsequent okay's, LE managed to infiltrate our community and setup appointments and busted several ladies.

Once you have screened a gentleman and he has passed your screening methods, there is nothing wrong with a preliminary meeting in public to further meet, get to know each other a little bit and let the both of you determine if you want to move forward with an adventure involving the both of you.

 

The real issue ^here^ is not LE, but a YL not using P411 properly.  Why on earth was she giving OKays for just a coffee date w/o BCD time?  (I suspect there was some arm twisting involved.)  P411 has also always said that even with OKays, ladies need to maintain due diligence.  One suggestion is to contact the YL providing a client’s OKays.

As Alex said, on that initial coffee date both parties have to be careful about what they say.  Explicit offers, or acceptance of the same, could lead to new jewelry.  But even with that, they can get a feel for each other.  As an old friend (Crazy Horse) said, he needed to hear a woman’s voice in order to complete his screening process.

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6 hours ago, Audrey Astor said:

Feel free to PM me @Calik8. I'm always glad to help.

Thank you i definitely will

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Out of all the research I've done, the best thing I have going for me is my own instincts.  You'll hear ladies say they screen, and some don't.  Some use references, others don't.  I don't think there is one or two sure fire ways, but I do know the ladies who say they use their instincts have proven to be pretty successful!

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On 3/28/2019 at 9:13 AM, Calik8 said:

 Id love to hear alternative screening ideas out side of reference,Deposits,RL info. Also new hobby friendly ideas!! 

 

I feel screening is a standard set by providers and either gentlemen agree or not. Screening should not be up for debate. Ever.

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Not to hijack the thread, but for someone like myself who is seriously considering getting back in the game, how old is too old for the references to be valid? I know some of you wonderful ladies have said 1 year, and that sounds fair. So should I assume that's a good standard to go with? 

Thx. 

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I can't speak for out there. In KC the girls here stick to not older than 6 months. That is what they say in public. I am sure some will go a little longer. 

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17 hours ago, scars&staples said:

Not to hijack the thread, but for someone like myself who is seriously considering getting back in the game, how old is too old for the references to be valid? I know some of you wonderful ladies have said 1 year, and that sounds fair. So should I assume that's a good standard to go with? 

Thx. 

There is no standard.  Some ladies require another visit every 3 months to keep a reference in good standing, and some ladies leave their tob references up for years. It's up to each provider. 

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