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[Bit Banger]

Sorry Nina, but what you describe is still an UpSell (asking for more than the advertised price). It just happens before the appointment is confirmed.

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

22 hours ago, Mr.Pink said:

Too bad you can't write a review, because according to our mods this experience never took place. 

Believe it or not, I have much better things to do with my time than make shit up.

[ilovewomen]

12 hours ago, Nina Rox said:

No. What Bit is talking about is just upselling. That is not what I was referring to. It was all collected upfront before the session began. Upselling is something else. The price + tips was also stated at time of booking because it was for ladies that advertised in the newspaper. 

 

I’m a Denver native and have been seeing ladies for over 30 years. 

I’ve heard of the base price plus tips.

The tips part is an UPSELL.  The better you tipped, the more the lady would do.

If you only paid the base rate, nothing happened. If you tipped an extra $50, you’d get a HJ.  If you tipped an extra $100-$150 you’d get a BJ. If you tipped $150-$200, you’d get FS.  Most extras were performed without any enthusiasm. 

Put whatever verbal spin on it you want, it is UPSELLING. Period. If you didn’t “tip” extra, you got nothing.

[Guest]

I would be very interested to know what a normal and reasonable tip should be. Anyone?

[Laci French]

20 minutes ago, LightningP said:

I would be very interested to know what a normal and reasonable tip should be. Anyone?

Usually a full months salary. #tipaho

[Laci French]

Just now, Hobby Hobbit said:

Anything for you

I feel the love we share. Thank you!

[Hunter VanDyke]

33 minutes ago, LightningP said:

I would be very interested to know what a normal and reasonable tip should be. Anyone?

There isn't a normal tip amount.  It's a gratuity. A way to give an extra special thank you if the lady goes above and beyond the care you expected to receive. For my gentlemen tips are appreciated, and the love is truly felt when you give them. However, my donation is a fair amount, and I feel the love just the same if there is no tip left. For some, it takes a minute to save up enough for the donation, and I appreciate that by itself.  Anything extra is all gravy. 😁😁😁

 

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

55 minutes ago, LightningP said:

I would be very interested to know what a normal and reasonable tip should be. Anyone?

I'm one who brings exact change so, a tip at first encounter is unlikely. Now, she may get a return visit depending on her performance, enthusiasm/sass or lack thereof, etc., at which point I'll come prepared to show some extra "love", the amount of which determined by the size of my smile.

Edited October 4, 2018 by Hobby Hobbit

[JoDoe27]

6 hours ago, Hobby Hobbit said:

Thanks for your input, Mr. Pink. I've always suspected the mods could track my phone activity, thanks for confirming. The "I don't expect but I ask...I expect the full donation" should be the only reference needed to prove it did.

Oops.

Wait, is there more? There seems to be chunks missing or major exaggeration from you on what was said by here and especially your own quoted responses. Also, you saw her in person or at laid eyes on her by your comment here...so how did that actually work out? I feel like I’m missing something. 

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

2 minutes ago, JoDoe27 said:

Wait, is there more? There seems to be chunks missing or major exaggeration from you on what was said by here and especially your own quoted responses. Also, you saw her in person or at laid eyes on her by your comment here...so how did that actually work out? I feel like I’m missing something. 

Responding to the "who was it" pms, it wasn't until I looked up the name and number on the site I found her that I realized I was unknowingly communicating with someone I'd already tried to connect with. The conversation you see here was initiated by her, a day after the "tips appreciated" exchange.

Again, I have much better things to do with my time than make shit up.

[BadBoy]

1 hour ago, Hobby Hobbit said:

Again, I have much better things to do with my time than make shit up.

[boink36]

I have removed the 22 bickering off topic/hijacking posts from this thread. now maybe we can get back to what was kind of an interesting topic.

[Guest]

Thanks, phew. I’m still interested in learning a good rule thumb for tipping. So far, I’m somewhere between $0.00 and $50,000. I hope you can help me refine that some.

[pfunk]

16 minutes ago, LightningP said:

Thanks, phew. I’m still interested in learning a good rule thumb for tipping. So far, I’m somewhere between $0.00 and $50,000. I hope you can help me refine that some.

Personally, I'd never tip less than 20 (I'd rather not tip at all). I'd feel like a cheapskate. More than a 100 would seem high for a hour appt. My own personal "rule of thumb" is 20 to 100. It's a very subjective determination. It's based on how much I enjoyed myself! 

[Raine-7379]

I wonder if she had a website with her donations posted on it, then you could have avoided such an awkward conversation of the donation in the first place.  I am sure I'm not alone that I get very annoyed with gentleman that cannot click on a website and find the donation for themselves.  Plus, I find it incredibly rude for gentleman to be allowed to ask for discounts.  A rate is a rate and nothing else should be expected discount or tip.

[Bit Banger]

25 minutes ago, Raine-7379 said:

I wonder if she had a website with her donations posted on it, then you could have avoided such an awkward conversation of the donation in the first place.  ...

Sorry, but a YL’s website is the last place I would expect an accurate statement of her CURRENT rate.   With rate A on her website, rate B on her P411, and rate C in her most recent ad, I continue to ask, “And your rate for an hour of your time is?” Or pick the lowest of A|B|C (if I found all three) and state, “I assume your rate for the hour is X.”

[pfunk]

36 minutes ago, Raine-7379 said:

I wonder if she had a website with her donations posted on it, then you could have avoided such an awkward conversation of the donation in the first place.  

If I can't find a rate on her website, or P411, I'll search on her phone number/email, to see if it's posted somewhere. If I can't find anything, I usually move on to someone else. I hate talking about rates.

[gr8owl]

On 10/3/2018 at 8:24 PM, Nina Rox said:

Upselling is based on a donation for ** such and such. Or another donation for ** such and such. That is different to $120 + ** (usually a flat 50 making total 200), collected up front and 'All inclusive'. It was stated on the phone at set up and agreed upon as the full rate and collected at begin of date. 

Hope that clarifies the difference. 

I remember what you are talking about and agree it was not upselling.  It was not all ladies here, but it was at least somewhat common.  I assumed (probably wrongly) that it indicated a management situation.  But it is a very odd way to state the price.  But for those who take it so badly, as long as it is up front does it matter that she says 250 and a tip of 50, or just 300?  Does it matter other than wording?  Now half an hour into our visit when I want something so bad I can't think straight, THEN saying "another 50" is upselling!

[Bit Banger]

2 hours ago, gr8owl said:

...  But for those who take it so badly, as long as it is up front does it matter that she says 250 and a tip of 50, or just 300?  Does it matter other than wording?  Now half an hour into our visit when I want something so bad I can't think straight, THEN saying "another 50" is upselling!

Should it matter if it’s:

• $250 advertised + $50 tip

OR

• $100 advertised + $200 tip

???

Edited October 5, 2018 by Bit Banger

[easytimes81006]

In my travels I have found myself in restaurants with a policy of automatically adding 20% gratuity on every order. As long as it is clearly revealed (printed in the menu, sign posted, etc) it is understood as a condition of doing business there and, in effect, part of the price. The $30 dinner is going to cost $36.

More recently I have noticed credit card slips with pre-printed "tip" lines, usually "20%", "25%", "other __________". At least "other" allows me to express my level of satisfaction with the service provided.

The traditional understanding of the word "tip" has always been a gratuity freely given in recognition of service above the norm, minimum requirement or expectation.

I remember a common practice during the 2002-2010 period in Colorado Springs of ladies quoting "$XXX plus tip", and the game was frequently played as an upsell technique (basic fee was for time and companionship only, client indicates a specific desire and a "tip" was quoted). With ladies practicing this method every encounter was a negotiation session. That has largely been replaced by quoting only a "donation" rather than a rate or price. Either way I have learned to inquire if the requested donation is all inclusive.

For whatever it is worth, it is a real pleasure to meet a lady whose attitude and attentiveness truly deserved a tip. That would be a real treat!

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

7 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Should it matter if it’s:

• $250 advertised + $50 tip

OR

• $100 advertised + $200 tip

???

Ideally the stated donation reflects what she wants for her all-inclusive time and companionship. The trick is, where will she be relative to the market? I mean, sure a personal connection is nice but it's mostly about the kitty, at least at first so like it or not, always in mind when "cruising" are the benchmarks set by others. And the competition is fierce.

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

12 hours ago, Raine-7379 said:

I wonder if she had a website with her donations posted on it, then you could have avoided such an awkward conversation of the donation in the first place.  I am sure I'm not alone that I get very annoyed with gentleman that cannot click on a website and find the donation for themselves.  Plus, I find it incredibly rude for gentleman to be allowed to ask for discounts.  A rate is a rate and nothing else should be expected discount or tip.

She did not and I would have surely checked it. As for discounts, when I don't value their time and companionship as much as they do my standard response is "OK, thanks.", which seems easy enough but has turned into a no-win situation when ratchet ones become offensive with "what, are you broke?" type of responses. Like, WTF? Yes, talking about rates can be trying.

[Bit Banger]

6 hours ago, mountainrider33 said:

I had a provider that said it was $80 extra for me to go down on them.  WTF!?  ...

“That’s a fetish. Costs extra.”

I’m trying not to stereotype but in my experience, YL who come to escorting from the stripper pool tend to nickel & dime their clients. It’s part of the strip club hustle.  Tips on the stage, better tips = more time she spends in front of you,  more $s for a lap dance, more for the next dance, Saigon Tea, etc.

Where as YL who start out escorting, w/o going through strip clubs or massage parlors, tend to set their boundaries for all-inclusive pricing.

Edited October 5, 2018 by Bit Banger
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[Nina Rox]

8 hours ago, mountainrider33 said:

I had a provider that said it was $80 extra for me to go down on them.  WTF!?  

That is upselling. 

[Nina Rox]

13 hours ago, gr8owl said:

I remember what you are talking about and agree it was not upselling.  It was not all ladies here, but it was at least somewhat common.  I assumed (probably wrongly) that it indicated a management situation.  But it is a very odd way to state the price.  But for those who take it so badly, as long as it is up front does it matter that she says 250 and a tip of 50, or just 300?  Does it matter other than wording?  Now half an hour into our visit when I want something so bad I can't think straight, THEN saying "another 50" is upselling!

That's so great that you remember. lol. Yes, it was not an issue. It was also ALL INCLUSIVE and that is the main difference. 

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

3 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

“That’s a fetish. Costs extra.”

I’m trying not to stereotype but in my experience, YL who come to escorting from the stripper pool tend to nickel & dime their clients. It’s part of the strip club hustle.  Tips on the stage, better tips = more time she spends in front of you,  more $s for a lap dance, more for the next dance, Saigon Tea, etc.

Where as YL who start out escorting, w/o going through strip clubs or massage parlors, tend to set their boundaries for all-inclusive pricing.

After giving me her number then ignoring me for a while, I once had a stripper quote me $300 for DATY! I'm thinking that was her way of telling me to kick rocks.

Saigon Tea?

Edited October 5, 2018 by Hobby Hobbit

[Raine-7379]

4 hours ago, Hobby Hobbit said:

She did not and I would have surely checked it. As for discounts, when I don't value their time and companionship as much as they do my standard response is "OK, thanks.", which seems easy enough but has turned into a no-win situation when ratchet ones become offensive with "what, are you broke?" type of responses. Like, WTF? Yes, talking about rates can be trying.

You have called the ladies ratchets several times.  My advice, stop seeing women you would call such a name. There are amazing woman with long history of great encounters.  Just a thought, I find your post offensive, so maybe your contact with them is also offensive.  

[Raine-7379]

16 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Sorry, but a YL’s website is the last place I would expect an accurate statement of her CURRENT rate.   With rate A on her website, rate B on her P411, and rate C in her most recent ad, I continue to ask, “And your rate for an hour of your time is?” Or pick the lowest of A|B|C (if I found all three) and state, “I assume your rate for the hour is X.”

Maybe, the difference is a traveling ad on p411 or an out call on another site.  Or they are not professional and consistent.  That would drive me batty.  

I do still think gentleman should put the effort into looking at a website and looking for the donations themselves to see if they are even close to their budget. I get the time-wasters asking for the donation when they can see that everywhere they look I am the exact same....

[itsjustsean]

I always politely ask the lady for rates if it's not posted on a website.

 

[Hobby Hobbit -Banned]

49 minutes ago, Raine-7379 said:

You have called the ladies ratchets several times.  My advice, stop seeing women you would call such a name. There are amazing woman with long history of great encounters.  Just a thought, I find your post offensive, so maybe your contact with them is also offensive.  

Unfortunately, there are ladies in this hobby and there are ratchet ho's just like there are gentlemen and ass hats; it is what it is. This said, I handle every encounter with the same respect I am given and with no assumptions. We've never met so you have no way of knowing my complexities and many here find it easy to label me an ass hat based on my posts, or the fact my handle/signature doesn't ooze adoration for women...that I am offensive, hate women, etc. and I'm fine with that. I may be new to this board, but I've been "hobbying" for close to 30 years and in many corners of the world. Knowing who and what I am, I give no fucks.

As a case in point, just today I made contact with a TOB provider, where every answer was yes, no. Are you available this morning? No. At all? Tonight for outcall. Are you outcall only? No. Is it a room or private residence? My place. I'm not available. Bye...evidently bothered by my contact but, did I call her names? Not at all. My last response was "thanks. sorry to bother", to which there was none. As I said, she is a member presumably able to read this post.

So now, where do you suggest we go to find this endless supply of fault free, "amazing women"? Nowhere. It doesn't exist so stop pretending ratchet doesn't. And may I suggest "you" stop taking things personally, when a ratchet ho is no personal reflection of "you" but, "her"?

Edited October 5, 2018 by Hobby Hobbit