Posted September 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: Thank you so much love. I hope maybe TOB will add a section for FBSM to break it up. Eros has categories, but we all know how nightmarish they are to get an add up anyway! I think a separate section is a great idea. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hunter VanDyke said: I think a separate section is a great idea. agree 100% 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: ... he started with a 45$ massage and walked out owing a 500$, talk about Upselling! Thank you so much love. I hope maybe TOB will add a section for FBSM to break it up. Eros has categories, but we all know how nightmarish they are to get an add up anyway! that's a hell of a "tip". Somebody wasn't thinking with his brain! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 20, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 2:43 AM, Sundance said: I can understand the concerns you have with some "GIRLS" that came from BP....but in the same instance, BP was very good to me. I am not at all.. one of those "GIRLS" I am a Lady that found success in posting there and found many good associates while I was with them. I started out on TOB and will now will return in posting here. Not all of us from BP are Bad...... Just sayin! I agree, it makes me sad sometimes to think I might be thought of that way. It was a starting point that’s it but atleast get to know me before you throw me to the curb 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: Rub Ratings used to be rub maps. They would steal girls info to post on their site then charge membership fees. If they have opened it up for providers to advertise and tend to our own ads It will be a great asset to the cause! Sadly most clients look for AMP that-surprise surprise... are complete with a hidden menu of extra services-for the more cavalier. I had a client say he started with a 45$ massage and walked out owing a 500$, talk about Upselling! Thank you so much love. I hope maybe TOB will add a section for FBSM to break it up. Eros has categories, but we all know how nightmarish they are to get an add up anyway! The feds are looking at EROS the same way they went after BP. By keeping TOB generic in listings, TOB shall survive. Add separate sections for FBSM and TOB stands a good chance of going the way of BP. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, ilovewomen said: The feds are looking at EROS the same way they went after BP. By keeping TOB generic in listings, TOB shall survive. Add separate sections for FBSM and TOB stands a good chance of going the way of BP. You know.. its not even the lack of advertising platforms... it is the blatant disrespect for not being FS when given the option to chose the option of FBSM on the drop down-only to find out the people browsing cannot see that that is what I offer-exclusively. Or that there are providers who add non traditional FBSM options to their services. I am tired of being told that "I can do that at home" Yeah? you could also fuck your wife, but I don't see you doing that either. FBSM is it's own world entirely as soon as clients can see the difference it won't be so hard. It is expensive because of the lack of clothing, the mutual touch and the cost of products for the space, shower, rub and many other things. The feds are wasting their time, This will still continue to be a part of life regardless of what the "Feds" want to happen. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: You know.. its not even the lack of advertising platforms... it is the blatant disrespect for not being FS when given the option to chose the option of FBSM on the drop down-only to find out the people browsing cannot see that that is what I offer-exclusively. Or that there are providers who add non traditional FBSM options to their services. I am tired of being told that "I can do that at home" Yeah? you could also fuck your wife, but I don't see you doing that either. FBSM is it's own world entirely as soon as clients can see the difference it won't be so hard. It is expensive because of the lack of clothing, the mutual touch and the cost of products for the space, shower, rub and many other things. The feds are wasting their time, This will still continue to be a part of life regardless of what the "Feds" want to happen. You bring up some interesting points. With BP gone, it funneled a ton of new people this way. Some good, experienced and respectful...many, not so much. Lots of the "not so much" group do not know protocols, are always in a rush, and are pushy. Most are NOT FBSM kinda guys. It takes a certain type to pay almost as much as FS for FBSM. I understand the reason for the costs, but lots of guys view is...."for only a little more...I can get..."...Unfortunately, they fail to comprehend or perhaps more accurately, fail to accept, is that they can't get it from YOU! ( or any other FBSM provider). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 20, 2018 Sounds like the two sessions you had weren't that great if you won't consider anymore. I am sorry to hear that. I digress, this is not the place to fight for a simple luxury of a sensual massage, I hope I can find a FBSM welcoming environment. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: Sounds like the two sessions you had weren't that great if you won't consider anymore. I am sorry to hear that. I digress, this is not the place to fight for a simple luxury of a sensual massage, I hope I can find a FBSM welcoming environment. I wouldn't put 100% of the blame on the environment. your posts in this thread are making me think we have two kinds of guys here, guys who like FBSM and assholes. I think you need to shoulder some of the blame for the current environment. attitude is often more important than services. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Admiral C said: You bring up some interesting points. With BP gone, it funneled a ton of new people this way. Some good, experienced and respectful...many, not so much. Lots of the "not so much" group do not know protocols, are always in a rush, and are pushy. Most are NOT FBSM kinda guys. It takes a certain type to pay almost as much as FS for FBSM. I understand the reason for the costs, but lots of guys view is...."for only a little more...I can get..."...Unfortunately, they fail to comprehend or perhaps more accurately, fail to accept, is that they can't get it from YOU! ( or any other FBSM provider). OMG not even a consideration of getting it from me! Not if thats how they talk to ANY FS provider wether or not she actually does it? This isn't Colfax. Kindness, respect, hygiene, following screening protocol and having the CORRECT AMOUNT for donation... that could change some milage and turn a FBSM into a special kind of fun. I will admit the wide range of rates from 50$ for X to 1000$ for X from another provider is really annoying. My rates aren't even that high compared to others... but I 100% understand. I hope the other sites I am moving to are more friendly to this type of hobby! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, boink36 said: I wouldn't put 100% of the blame on the environment. your posts in this thread are making me think we have two kinds of guys here, guys who like FBSM and assholes. I think you need to shoulder some of the blame for the current environment. attitude is often more important than services. I am not saying at all that non FBSM friendly guys are assholes. No one is an asshole until they act a certain way. You guys on TOB have made every effort legally possible to allow them to see who offers what and how to find out details via personal sites, reviews and the like. AdmiralC has it spot on the new guys are rushed, do not read and end up pissing off way more than just FBSM ladies. I cannot tell you how many horror stories I have heard form FS ladies! Not to mention stories from Clients about providers. I will make it clear that by a "more FBSM friendly environment" I mean a platform designed for those looking for it vs being on an escort site and being upset that everyone only wants FS. hence missing BP and the specific Massage category. Please, understand in no way was I calling anyone an asshole for not liking FBSM, everyone on here has been amazing and supportive and has even directed me to FBSM ad sites! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: OMG not even a consideration of getting it from me! Not if thats how they talk to ANY FS provider wether or not she actually does it? This isn't Colfax. Kindness, respect, hygiene, following screening protocol and having the CORRECT AMOUNT for donation... that could change some milage and turn a FBSM into a special kind of fun. I will admit the wide range of rates from 50$ for X to 1000$ for X from another provider is really annoying. My rates aren't even that high compared to others... but I 100% understand. I hope the other sites I am moving to are more friendly to this type of hobby! I'm sure there's lots of guys who go for your type of hobby, it's just a matter of finding each other. I'm sure you know where your clients find you.....and can find where other FBSM providers advertise. You look great and have great reviews so I'm sure you will do well in most any environment.....Though you likely don't need it, I still am wishing you luck and happy success. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Admiral C said: I'm sure there's lots of guys who go for your type of hobby, it's just a matter of finding each other. I'm sure you know where your clients find you.....and can find where other FBSM providers advertise. You look great and have great reviews so I'm sure you will do well in most any environment.....Though you likely don't need it, I still am wishing you luck and happy success. Thank you so much! I think I might have found a fairly safe advert platform for now. We shall see tomorrow! I do love everything about this industry and every single level offered. I do not like how hard it is to find each other! Colorado has such an incredible support system for this and for that I am eternally grateful! Thank you so so much! I work out daily, and absolutely pride myself on offering a stellar session I want to be worth every penny & leave a lasting memory of absolute peace in my clients heads. Thank you so much for this beautiful honest and lively debate everyone! May the weekend bless you all with abundance, peace and joy ( and big Wins for your home teams if you are into Sports!). Love & Light, Dani Edited September 21, 2018 by Dani Panti miss spelled a word. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: I am not saying at all that non FBSM friendly guys are assholes. No one is an asshole until they act a certain way. You guys on TOB have made every effort legally possible to allow them to see who offers what and how to find out details via personal sites, reviews and the like. AdmiralC has it spot on the new guys are rushed, do not read and end up pissing off way more than just FBSM ladies. I cannot tell you how many horror stories I have heard form FS ladies! Not to mention stories from Clients about providers. I will make it clear that by a "more FBSM friendly environment" I mean a platform designed for those looking for it vs being on an escort site and being upset that everyone only wants FS. hence missing BP and the specific Massage category. Please, understand in no way was I calling anyone an asshole for not liking FBSM, everyone on here has been amazing and supportive and has even directed me to FBSM ad sites! Thank you for the clarification. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: Thank you so much! I think I might have found a fairly safe advert platform for now. We shall see tomorrow! .... Dani, please let us know where you will be advertising. I for one appreciate a good massage and would hate to lose track of someone with your reputation of excellent service. PM me if you don’t want to post it here. Thanks 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 Dani, This won’t help the crew that doesn’t read ads or websites anyway, but one of my favorites has added to her website “no companionship options offered.” I haven’t asked her if it’s helped, but I understand why she has added it 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 Oh wow. Yeah I understand FS is a lot more satisfying, I just really am not built for it. I am so sorry that you had such terrible experiences and hope you continue to thrive in your FS hobby! I will be looking for another job soon, all of the switches are hurting FBSM, and now that former FBSM guys can add a bit more cash to get FS I fear they won't really come back to us. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, mountainrider33 said: The first one was horrible, it was a $250 session that included a really crappy massage and her just being nude. Afterwards, she told me that it was $500 for mutual touch and a handy. The second one, she did an amazing massage job in the flip was really nice but I still prefer FS. I do have an fbsm provider on my favorites list but her incall location is really far away from me. Sounds like she really wasn't interested in anything more than giving a crappy massage, but if someone was foolish enough to offer 500, then she would do it...all about the Benjamins. Probably would have been more disappointing than the massage. 16 minutes ago, Dani Panti said: Oh wow. Yeah I understand FS is a lot more satisfying, I just really am not built for it. I am so sorry that you had such terrible experiences and hope you continue to thrive in your FS hobby! I will be looking for another job soon, all of the switches are hurting FBSM, and now that former FBSM guys can add a bit more cash to get FS I fear they won't really come back to us. You're probably right, but I've found that if someone has actual massage training (or just knows what they're doing) and can mix that with the right attitude, it can be just as satisfying. It all depends on what I'm in the mood for. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 Did not read closely the newest replies on this resurrected thread, so, apologies for following. FBSM is a really odd category. Personally, when I go in for a FBSM, that's all I'm expecting. But as has been mentioned, some ladies do have an extra menu, be it secret (maybe after several visits) or more overt. Some have no menu re: any happiness. If having a great time, sure, I might ask if anything else, doesn't have to be FS. Heck, might be looking for some kink, Russian or Italian finish. With all that, even if ad says "no extras", "no FS", we guys hope at times. The questions/requests are pretty much inevitable, and imo, a strictly FBSM lady needs to develop a thick skin and stick to her guns. Yeah, not pleasant, but nature of the beast. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 LMAO, how did this turn into a FBSM thread 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) On 7/25/2018 at 0:15 PM, RandySavage said: If you encounter a rip-off, please let us know! I'm a huge fan of this board. See the reviews and the TOB 411 sections. Edited September 21, 2018 by JRWolfe grammar 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 2:43 AM, Sundance said: I can understand the concerns you have with some "GIRLS" that came from BP....but in the same instance, BP was very good to me. I am not at all.. one of those "GIRLS" I am a Lady that found success in posting there and found many good associates while I was with them. I started out on TOB and will now will return in posting here. Not all of us from BP are Bad...... Just sayin! Good and bad found in everywhere people advertise.Not just in the dating sections. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted September 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said: It's been rough for my fbsm provider friends. I wish the word would get out about TOB for that market. Sorry sweetheart. Maybe a different listing section for legit massage ? Hey,its just a thought. Found many a good masseuse here not that long ago. Maybe their listings are being buried by the immigrants from back page. (The volume of new girls is staggering ) 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
