Posted June 20, 2018 Should have scheduled yourself an outcall, with the free room and all . . . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Hwy101 said: Visited a young lady once at a nice hotel. Scheduled 30 minutes and was done in about 20. She hopped up, got dressed, headed out the door and asked me to make sure the door was locked when I left. Watched TV for ten and left. 😱😱 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 20, 2018 Regardless of her policies I’m a one-pop guy. If she’s departs (or suggests that I depart) promptly, we’ll let’s just say I have better odds of seeing a snow ball in The RGV than of seeing her again. ☹️ YL who sit & cuddle or chat until time’s up, they earn repeat business. 😄 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 20, 2018 19 hours ago, MAX1 said: I feel like getting into an argument during the session is an instant mode killer. That is why I try to avoid them as much as possible, but then after you leave you feel like shit for not speaking up. Let me give an example. Multiple providers wear their towels/clothes right after you finish even though 30 minutes is left till the end of the date. I never understood why they do that? Do they want to signal that it is time for you to fuck off? What do you do when a provider gives you a bad treatment? Starting an argument would obviously kill the mode & Mr. Rictus Erectus. Writing a review here is no longer descriptive and many are not that honest. Many times, taking back your envelope is not an option that's on the table (no pun intended!). All of this really should be fun and if you get to the point where you feel like arguing the time has come to leave. My only thought is do some ladies feel self conscious about their bodies and that’s why they cover up? My suggestion is to learn all you can about the lady you want to visit prior to scheduling. Do as much research and reading as possible to see if you both might be a good fit. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 20, 2018 20 hours ago, MAX1 said: I feel like getting into an argument during the session is an instant mode killer. That is why I try to avoid them as much as possible, but then after you leave you feel like shit for not speaking up. Let me give an example. Multiple providers wear their towels/clothes right after you finish even though 30 minutes is left till the end of the date. I never understood why they do that? Do they want to signal that it is time for you to fuck off? Maybe this is too simple a solution for the board, but how about not finishing 30 minutes early? Use the entire hour kissing, cuddling, licking and pounding and not only will there be no argument, but you might get a big thank you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) There is nothing I can conceive of that would cause me to argue with a provider. I vote with my wallet as others have said. Nothing to argue about. This is supposed to be great fun. If it's not, kindly and quietly do something different. Edited June 21, 2018 by Happymon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, MAX1 said: I feel like getting into an argument during the session is an instant mode killer. That is why I try to avoid them as much as possible, but then after you leave you feel like shit for not speaking up. Let me give an example. Multiple providers wear their towels/clothes right after you finish even though 30 minutes is left till the end of the date. I never understood why they do that? Do they want to signal that it is time for you to fuck off? What do you do when a provider gives you a bad treatment? Starting an argument would obviously kill the mode & Mr. Rictus Erectus. Writing a review here is no longer descriptive and many are not that honest. Many times, taking back your envelope is not an option that's on the table (no pun intended!). get in arguments, oh all the time! it's usually after I've put away a 6 pack that I start to be a jerk though. ok, I kid-I kid............. I've never had a gal shut it down after I've popped. I assume it's because I'm choosing to see stellar ladies. and I usually do longer dates. I have had two ladies wig out on me! one time I was in Phoenix. I woke up tired and I was having a difficult time navigating. I did feel like a total dip shit. I could not find her cross streets. man she chewed my ass out!! but it's fair to say she was a provider/dom lady. I totally bailed on the appointment! I was thinking are you freakin serious. and hung up on her. her madness was a total buzz kill! and the fuc*ked up part. she kept calling me for an hour after our scheduled time. she called over 50 times. thank god my mailbox was full after 7 of her messages! the second time was unexpected! it was an old atf I tried to revisit years later. she started yelling at me because I went to the wrong trailer park. in my defense. there were two on the north side of the highway. and one on the south side. I suppose I always seen that critical side in her. but when I told her I couldn't find her unit. holy crap! she called me stupid for being in the wrong complex. I told her that I wasn't going to see her because she just ruined my woody! she was really angry. I held my ground and told her I was sorry for being in the wrong location. but she had really went over the line. and honestly, being belittled is something you can't take back! Edited June 21, 2018 by parkercole 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Laci French said: My only thought is do some ladies feel self conscious about their bodies and that’s why they cover up? I have always assumed it is to clearly signal that at least today msog is NOT happening. Which is fairly common. But I have never had lady say no to "mind just a little snuggle and hug before you get dressed?". As long as time remains for it. I see no reason not to ask ..... politely and not to "argue" or demand. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 8:45 PM, MAX1 said: I feel like getting into an argument during the session is an instant mode killer. That is why I try to avoid them as much as possible, but then after you leave you feel like shit for not speaking up. Let me give an example. Multiple providers wear their towels/clothes right after you finish even though 30 minutes is left till the end of the date. I never understood why they do that? Do they want to signal that it is time for you to fuck off? What do you do when a provider gives you a bad treatment? Starting an argument would obviously kill the mode & Mr. Rictus Erectus. Writing a review here is no longer descriptive and many are not that honest. Many times, taking back your envelope is not an option that's on the table (no pun intended!). I personally have not gotten into not one ARGUMENT with a provider and I credit myself for that. Sometimes things just don't click, sometimes its a miscommunication, and lastly one of you could just be having a BAD day and its best to just POLITELY leave. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 2:45 AM, MAX1 said: I feel like getting into an argument during the session is an instant mode killer. That is why I try to avoid them as much as possible, but then after you leave you feel like shit for not speaking up. Let me give an example. Multiple providers wear their towels/clothes right after you finish even though 30 minutes is left till the end of the date. I never understood why they do that? Do they want to signal that it is time for you to fuck off? What do you do when a provider gives you a bad treatment? Starting an argument would obviously kill the mode & Mr. Rictus Erectus. Writing a review here is no longer descriptive and many are not that honest. Many times, taking back your envelope is not an option that's on the table (no pun intended!). So there are three things going on here: 1). not speaking up for yourself for fear of starting an argument; 2). providers that signal they're done with you; 3). what to do when given bad treatment. I think all the above can be resolved easily with respect and a bit of understanding. I'm not implying you're being rude or unreasonably demanding; I'm just describing what has worked really well for me. Basically I approach dates with a provider like I would with a civilian - anything can happen, conversation/comfort building goes a long way, and it's two human beings getting to know each other; I'll respect her decisions whatever they are, afterall there are many many factors at play, some of them having to do with me, and many of them not under my control. All that said, you will encounter girls that shit-test you before sex; push you off ASAP afterwards; those that get up and get dressed right away; those who will cancel dates even after you've arrived at the location; those you don't vibe with; those who (to you) provided bad service; and yes, those who would seek to scam/con/steal, and so on. All the above and more has happened to me. Shrug it off, laugh it off, learn from it, keep your wits about you, review appropriately if needed (try to remain objective... if you sit and think about it, you'll find often the problem was you and not her), and keep on having fun in life. I'll share something that happened recently: I'd met a pair of strippers and we planned to have a 3-person date. Following week, everything's set up, and I call to say I'm headed their way. All's good and I'm grinning. Eventually get to their place after a 30-minute drive. Called and called and called both phones, no answer. Did I want to rail and feel like a fool? Sure, but I kept telling myself to calm down, it's not a big deal, and it's a story to tell. Eventually just went home and had a beer. Called a buddy of mine just to share my experience, who was all like: "I'd never let them disrespect me like that... I'd have chewed them out.", but I know nothing comes out of being angry in this manner. Next morning, I just casually sent a text: "heh, I guess you guys must have been really tired... let's try again sometime?" and left out all the bits about me arriving and calling and all other negative info (I didn't make them feel bad, but they ended up bringing it up and being very apologetic). We did meet after a bit of re-scheduling, the rendezvous I wanted happened, and they're my favorite pair of girlfriends to date. Providers or not, you just roll with the punches. I guess what I'm saying is, avoid arguments yes - but not from a position of scarcity/weakness that leaves you feeling resentful - but from a point of plenty and being carefree. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Bit Banger said: Regardless of her policies I’m a one-pop guy. If she’s departs (or suggests that I depart) promptly, we’ll let’s just say I have better odds of seeing a snow ball in The RGV than of seeing her again. ☹️ YL who sit & cuddle or chat until time’s up, they earn repeat business. 😄 That is a great point, my atf is my atf because the first time I saw her she was so hot I didn't make it very long. But she cuddled up next to me and we talked and made out. Now we talk all the time and when she is in town we hang out and have a lot of fun together. You find a YL like that, well I think you hit the jack pot. I GRT the best of both worlds now, a hot girl that likes to hangout, chat and play naked. 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 10 hours ago, parkercole said: get in arguments, oh all the time! it's usually after I've put away a 6 pack that I start to be a jerk though. ok, I kid-I kid............. I've never had a gal shut it down after I've popped. I assume it's because I'm choosing to see stellar ladies. and I usually do longer dates. I have had two ladies wig out on me! one time I was in Phoenix. I woke up tired and I was having a difficult time navigating. I did feel like a total dip shit. I could not find her cross streets. man she chewed my ass out!! but it's fair to say she was a provider/dom lady. I totally bailed on the appointment! I was thinking are you freakin serious. and hung up on her. her madness was a total buzz kill! and the fuc*ked up part. she kept calling me for an hour after our scheduled time. she called over 50 times. thank god my mailbox was full after 7 of her messages! the second time was unexpected! it was an old atf I tried to revisit years later. she started yelling at me because I went to the wrong trailer park. in my defense. there were two on the north side of the highway. and one on the south side. I suppose I always seen that critical side in her. but when I told her I couldn't find her unit. holy crap! she called me stupid for being in the wrong complex. I told her that I wasn't going to see her because she just ruined my woody! she was really angry. I held my ground and told her I was sorry for being in the wrong location. but she had really went over the line. and honestly, being belittled is something you can't take back! If I understand correctly, in these two scenarios, you couldn't find the location. The providers got angry, and vented, and then you no-showed. Correct? Classy! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, cgrey109 said: Basically I approach dates with a provider like I would with a civilian - anything can happen, conversation/comfort building goes a long way, and it's two human beings getting to know each other; I'll respect her decisions whatever they are, afterall there are many many factors at play, some of them having to do with me, and many of them not under my control. All that said, you will encounter girls that shit-test you before sex; push you off ASAP afterwards; those that get up and get dressed right away; those who will cancel dates even after you've arrived at the location; those you don't vibe with; those who (to you) provided bad service; and yes, those who would seek to scam/con/steal, and so on. All the above and more has happened to me. Shrug it off, laugh it off, learn from it, keep your wits about you, review appropriately if needed (try to remain objective... if you sit and think about it, you'll find often the problem was you and not her), and keep on having fun in life. I have to strongly disagree. One of the main reasons men seek the hobby in the first place is to avoid the stupid games and other bullshit that comes with dating a non-working girl. If both are essentially equivalent, why pay for it? the client gives his hard-earned money in exchange for a good time and service. If for any reason, the working girl cannot treat him like a king (maybe she's having a bad day, or thinks that he looks ugly or creepy, or unworthy of her) she should cancel the date asap and gives a refund. "Having a bad day" excuse is the dumbest one ever btw and many fall for it. If a lady is having a bad day, please take the day off and don't waste the gents time or money. I would have much respect for a no-show girl than one who shows up but treats him like trash. Quote I'll share something that happened recently: I'd met a pair of strippers and we planned to have a 3-person date. Following week, everything's set up, and I call to say I'm headed their way. All's good and I'm grinning. Eventually get to their place after a 30-minute drive. Called and called and called both phones, no answer. Did I want to rail and feel like a fool? Sure, but I kept telling myself to calm down, it's not a big deal, and it's a story to tell. Eventually just went home and had a beer. Called a buddy of mine just to share my experience, who was all like: "I'd never let them disrespect me like that... I'd have chewed them out.", but I know nothing comes out of being angry in this manner. Next morning, I just casually sent a text: "heh, I guess you guys must have been really tired... let's try again sometime?" and left out all the bits about me arriving and calling and all other negative info (I didn't make them feel bad, but they ended up bringing it up and being very apologetic). We did meet after a bit of re-scheduling, the rendezvous I wanted happened, and they're my favorite pair of girlfriends to date. Providers or not, you just roll with the punches. I personally would love to have a No-show like this, it means I saved my wallet. Much, much better than if the 2 strippers have taken your money, treated you badly, or scammed you. Edited June 21, 2018 by MAX1 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 6 hours ago, pfunk said: If I understand correctly, in these two scenarios, you couldn't find the location. The providers got angry, and vented, and then you no-showed. Correct? Classy! FUCK THAT ! I would have bailed also. If a provider wants her date to show up. She should probably wait until he's walked through the door, to start calling him stupid and acting pissed off. If they wanted respectful dates to show up, they would have treated them respectfully before they showed up. Any guy that would still show up to a date, after being poorly treated before hand. Needs to grow some self-respect on his balls. The classy ones, were the providers with no compassionate people skills. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 Sorry, PFunk, I'm with Skylighter on this one. I once had a gal tell me that she was in the XXX Hotel on YYYY Street. I know it well and went there, went to the room, it was unoccupied, called her, and she just unloaded on me how stupid I had to be to not even go to the right hotel. As it turned out, she was at another XXX Hotel (Popular chain, especially with escorts), about 1/2 mile south of YYY Street. Her bad, not mine. I finally figured it out, called her back and then she got defensive and called me really stupid, etc. I finally told her that I might be dumb, but I'm not dumb enough to come visit her and bailed. Why in heck would you pay good money to someone who is obnoxious to you - you sure aren't going to have a good time, and why reinforce bad behavior? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, MAX1 said: I have to strongly disagree. One of the main reasons men seek the hobby in the first place is to avoid the stupid games and other bullshit that comes with dating a non-working girl. If both are essentially equivalent, why pay for it? the client gives his hard-earned money in exchange for a good time and service. If for any reason, the working girl cannot treat him like a king ... I hear what you're saying, but I hope you're not saying that because you're bringing cash upfront, you ignore the fact that she's a real person with feelings, who's currently spending some time with you. You've paid for her time, and yes, when the chemistry is good - it's REALLY good... but if something's off, just roll with it. An analogy that just came to mind (forgive me if it's silly, but): imagine you paid good money to see a game with your fav team. Most times the game is awesome, with good plays and great individual standouts, and to cap it off your team wins. But sometimes your team's having an off day/season, but you roll with it anyway cuz you're just out having fun, no matter what the outcome. Yes, there are limits to how much bullshit one can/should take, but what the OP was talking about basically boiled down to not establishing enough comfort (in my opinion). If you treat your provider like an automaton, don't be surprised to get treated like a disembodied prick (pun intended). And my point was, sometimes not everybody is on their A-game, so try to understand it from that perspective. About paying, I don't get why people trot this out: paying to avoid bullshit. See, dates and going to the bar to meet chicks costs money and time... even street game takes time, effort, and opportunity cost (you could be billing for a client) so you're paying anyway. It's been well established that providers are much cheaper in the long run, per shot fired. So in summary: you pay either way, but it's still up to you to establish rapport, provider or not. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 22, 2018 So many providers give off attitude prior to booking. When that happens I either find another ad or just turn in for the night. I never settle anymore. If people can't be nice before booking... I know all the "see only well established..." Advice. But most of my very best experiences have been with sweet bp or sugar baby types where I was literally their first customer. You do have to deal with a certain percentage that flake, but when they come through, they treat you like a boyfriend because they don't know how to treat you like a john yet. Instead of getting dressed before time is up, imagine not having a clock - stay til you are done, cuddle as long as you want - take her to lunch after if you want cute arm candy, and take her back to bed when you're done. One young lady I saw every week for 18 months would greet me at the door in the morning freshly showered in her fuzzy robe, she would make a cup of tea and we would cuddle and chat on the couch, then we would pick out cute lingerie and model for me and I would take pictures til she would tease me until I had enough, we would do the act, cuddle again, and go to brunch. Then I would head in to work. All this for the same amount as the typical "1 hour gfe" session you find on the ad boards. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 6:40 AM, pfunk said: If I understand correctly, in these two scenarios, you couldn't find the location. The providers got angry, and vented, and then you no-showed. Correct? Classy! huh, wait, what??? did you miss the part where I mentioned "she chewed my ass out" or "called me stupid" ??? just how do you think that environment is going to be had I continued to make my way to their place? you don't think I lost my chub after being scolded at this level? fuck Pfunk, I'm not that desperate! I've also had a few other dates where the ladies location was tricky to find. these ladies kindly guided me and my wiener to their domain. and it's a no brainer that these are the type of ladies that I want to spend my time with! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 22, 2018 37 minutes ago, parkercole said: huh, wait, what??? did you miss the part where I mentioned "she chewed my ass out" or "called me stupid" ??? just how do you think that environment is going to be had I continued to make my way to their place? you don't think I lost my chub after being scolded at this level? fuck Pfunk, I'm not that desperate! I've also had a few other dates where the ladies location was tricky to find. these ladies kindly guided me and my wiener to their domain. and it's a no brainer that these are the type of ladies that I want to spend my time with! Starting from the part where someone is berating me while I'm holding an envelope with cash in it, A man can get that kind of abuse and keep he dick in his pants many ways without getting in a car and seeking it out (not that there's anything wrong with that). I've had several ladies guide me in by phone when they knew google was not perfect or their location was tricky. The good ladies know the experience begins with the first contact and ends after the last kiss. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 23, 2018 I couldn't imagine arguing with a client, isn't that what wives are for? ;-) Another reason why I keep texting for known friends, too much can get lost in translation. I do get uncomfortable when clients ask personal questions. I've had some clients ask, about my banking habits, do I own other homes, what kind of car do I drive.....had one the other day ask me how much money I'm making. But it takes all kinds, that's what keeps this interesting. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) On 6/21/2018 at 5:43 PM, cgrey109 said: About paying, I don't get why people trot this out: paying to avoid bullshit. See, dates and going to the bar to meet chicks costs money and time... even street game takes time, effort, and opportunity cost (you could be billing for a client) so you're paying anyway. It's been well established that providers are much cheaper in the long run, per shot fired. So in summary: you pay either way, but it's still up to you to establish rapport, provider or not. What someone pays to a provider is usually an order of magnitude more than what he pays in bars/dates on the weekend. Moreover, when a guy has sex with a chick he picked up in the bar or the club, he knows for a fact that she's attracted to him, which makes the sexual experience feels intimate & genuine. So why then pay for something that you can get for much much less money and also feels more real? Here is my thesis about the whole hobby thing: The job of an escort is that of an actor. You pay her to act like she likes you regardless of whether she genuinely likes you or not. Think of a porn star for instance; she does not have to have a chemistry with the guy in order to do her job. She gets paid because she is doing the scene she is asked to do. If she did a half-ass job or shitty job in the scene you don't expect her to get paid, right? In the case of the escort, she gets hired for one hour to perform the scene of the girlfriend experience but without cameras. Hence, if she did a half-ass job, showed an attitude or disrespect towards the person who hired her, why let her have his hard earned money? Edited June 24, 2018 by MAX1 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2018 Cuddle time and talking are big to me. A big part Of our time is spent remembering the great conversation we had. Sometimes I never see you again. Just hope you remember me and think foundly of our time together 💗 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2018 12 hours ago, MAX1 said: What someone pays to a provider is usually an order of magnitude more than what he pays in bars/dates on the weekend. Moreover, when a guy has sex with a chick he picked up in the bar or the club, he knows for a fact that she's attracted to him, which makes the sexual experience feels intimate & genuine. So why then pay for something that you can get for much much less money and also feels more real? Here is my thesis about the whole hobby thing: The job of an escort is that of an actor. You pay her to act like she likes you regardless of whether she genuinely likes you or not. Think of a porn star for instance; she does not have to have a chemistry with the guy in order to do her job. She gets paid because she is doing the scene she is asked to do. If she did a half-ass job or shitty job in the scene you don't expect her to get paid, right? In the case of the escort, she gets hired for one hour to perform the scene of the girlfriend experience but without cameras. Hence, if she did a half-ass job, showed an attitude or disrespect towards the person who hired her, why let her have his hard earned money? I agree but - even bad actresses get paid - they just don't get rehired. On 6/21/2018 at 2:54 PM, BadBoy said: Sorry, PFunk, I'm with Skylighter on this one. I once had a gal tell me that she was in the XXX Hotel on YYYY Street. I know it well and went there, went to the room, it was unoccupied, called her, and she just unloaded on me how stupid I had to be to not even go to the right hotel. As it turned out, she was at another XXX Hotel (Popular chain, especially with escorts), about 1/2 mile south of YYY Street. Her bad, not mine. I finally figured it out, called her back and then she got defensive and called me really stupid, etc. I finally told her that I might be dumb, but I'm not dumb enough to come visit her and bailed. Why in heck would you pay good money to someone who is obnoxious to you - you sure aren't going to have a good time, and why reinforce bad behavior? Hell yes, Unless you signed up for the masochism/humiliation thing... Fuck her! Or better yet - don't show up to fuck her. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2018 Only arguing should be about which one of you is going to please the other first. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Laci French said: Only arguing should be about which one of you is going to please the other first. Ladies first I always say, I am a gentleman. Lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, geecue2 said: Ladies first I always say, I am a gentleman. Lol. And often 😁 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2018 If I’m not pleasing the lady, I’m not happy. She should always be first. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 24, 2018 40 minutes ago, Laci French said: Only arguing should be about which one of you is going to please the other first. Although a true gentleman let's the lady get hers first 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
