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Chloeblue83

BP owner cost us all and makes a deal in court

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 I completely disagree with you. He pled guilty, admitted to what was taking place including sex trafficking, And is now including all the guilty parties who helped facilitate this crime. All the power to him!

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1 hour ago, Chloeblue83 said:

It's really annoying that because he refused to shut his site down they made this law now he's ratting out his fellow bp members and got bailed out! Like thanks for screwing us and being a snitch

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/backpage-ceo-pleads-guilty-to-charges-assists-in-federal-investigation-w519107

I TOTALLY get your anger and frustration. I completely agree that this really sucks in many ways also. HOWEVER.....as one of those people who have been around 17 years of so, I am not the least bit surprised. Pretty much every one of us "old timers", provider and client alike, KNEW this day, or one like it was ALWAYS going to come. I bet if other members of the 15+ year club were honest, they would agree that it is really astonishing it did not happen long ago, and we certainly expected it to. We have had a FAR longer run of clear sailing than we had any business to expect, and even now, the ship is still afloat. As for the guy making a deal.....try not to be too harsh.The po-po had them all dead to rights and SOMEONE was going to get a deal, and the rest were going to get huge sentences. Although pretty much EVERYONE would have done the same, pretty much NO-ONE would admit it. He bought first.

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Maybe you knew this day would come, but I always hoped it would go the other way. Hell, even the damned president pays for sex. And it's legal in most of the rest of the civilized world.

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I'm not going to be too hard on this guy. And going to say something that will be really unpopular...

This is all very centipede-y in that EVERYONE is complicit in this, if only in a small way. Backpage was making big money for these guys, so they tried to come up with ways to give them some level of deniability for the illicit activities and the really illegal underbelly activities occurring as well. Guys were using it for booking, so ladies would advertise there to boost their income, generating revenue for BP, and back to the owners doing everything they can to keep it running, getting more money. And round and round it goes.

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3 minutes ago, NoCoGeezer said:

I'm not going to be too hard on this guy. And going to say something that will be really unpopular...

This is all very centipede-y in that EVERYONE is complicit in this, if only in a small way. Backpage was making big money for these guys, so they tried to come up with ways to give them some level of deniability for the illicit activities and the really illegal underbelly activities occurring as well. Guys were using it for booking, so ladies would advertise there to boost their income, generating revenue for BP, and back to the owners doing everything they can to keep it running, getting more money. And round and round it goes.

Agreed .  What's the  saying. Follow the money. 

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The same congresswoman who couldn't get him last year wrote this bill I'm just venting honestly because I loved this hobby n it's awful right now I know it'll settle down after awhile I'm sure but it is hard if u survive I been following his court cases for a CPL years I liked how he didn't back down and won but to snitch everyone else out SMH hes the wring leader

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Posted (edited)

7 hours ago, Chloeblue83 said:

It's really annoying that because he refused to shut his site down they made this law

I agree with ther OP. I read the USAG indictment of BP owners and in it it's apparent that had BP done what Craigslist did when the pressure was on CL, and stopped accepting paid ads, there would have been no bad actor website (BP) for special interest groups to galvanize around and interest politicans to create a law like FOSTA.

When boards were regional and percieved by LE to be small affairs convenient to exploit for a local headline, everybody was better off. There were threads on aspd.net ca. 2005 where some expressed concern that CL would bring unwanted attention to the hobby. 

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I saw this coming too! Boy how I miss the days of 2001-2008! There were barely any girls by comparison now, and we were rolling in the money! Now, pfft, girls offering stupid low prices and it’s now what guys expect. I lived really well and used to make a lot every month and didn’t have to work anywhere near as hard! It was fun, the guys were gentlemen, and everything was quiet! LE didn’t bother us. Then, all of a sudden cl and bp came up and things weren’t so quiet, there were way more people and well, LE started sniffing around. 

Best damn thing I ever did was get an education! This might be the worlds oldest profession, but it’s not sustainable. When the risk outweighs the benefits, it’s time to exit. 

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6 hours ago, Diamond John said:

I agree with ther OP. I read the USAG indictment of BP owners and in it it's apparent that had BP done what Craigslist did when the pressure was on CL, and stopped accepting paid ads, there would have been no bad actor website (BP) for special interest groups to galvanize around and interest politicans to create a law like FOSTA.

When boards were regional and percieved by LE to be small affairs convenient to exploit for a local headline, everybody was better off. There were threads on aspd.net ca. 2005 where some expressed concern that CL would bring unwanted attention to the hobby. 

I love bacon.... when I’m eating it. 

 

I also love the colors if Caledonia. Just mine are a less deep navy blue.

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12 hours ago, turtlerabbit said:

Maybe you knew this day would come, but I always hoped it would go the other way. Hell, even the damned president pays for sex. And it's legal in most of the rest of the civilized world.

   If you are talking about the allegations of Stormy Daniels, that allegedly happened well over a decade before Trump ran for office. The last president that admitted he did that while in office was Bill Clinton.

 The big thing they caught  the Backpage owners on was money laundering .

  Sad that the feds took the hobby in this direction,if they went legal with it..they could pay off the national debt fast.

 Agree with Melissa on the points she made.

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Davey Crockett was the last good man in Texas. I’ll open my arms to Texas ladies all day long. It’s about time they found real men anyways. We mountain folk who bicycle, practice breathing and yoga, hiking. We quiet souls here who enjoy our bodies as much as our partners. Say

 

I remember the Weavers.

 

our government needs to serve its people not make its people serve the state. We’ve been asleep for far too long.

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My reading of this specific aspect of the case is the Feds have gotten maybe the fourth person in the hierarchy of the organization (even though he had the title of CEO) to cooperate and testify against the top two, which increases the odds of the top two winning a long stay in government housing. Look at the wording of the article:

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Lacey and Larkin – who first founded the Phoenix New Times in 1970 and led an empire of alt-weeklies, including the Village Voice, before focusing their efforts on Backpage – remain behind bars following the Backpage raid last week. Five other Backpage officials who were arrested have already been released.

As part of Ferrer's plea deal, the CEO helped authorities take down Backpage as well as seize over 35 residencies and 25 bank accounts.

 

To me, the most irritating thing about the Backpage case and the FOSTA/SESTA law is the Feds ** did not need the new law ** to bring this case. That's obvious, because the seizure of BP occurred about one week before the new law took effect. So Backpage was, in a way, a "smokescreen" that enabled pushing through a new law that makes life difficult (in many cases impossible) for other adult services related web sites.

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This may be off subject LOL but TOB removing the reviews has made me afraid to see anyone new. I LOVED reading REVIEWS ...... Sorry, I just had to vent, maybe I just have to give this new format a chance, we will see........Thanks for listening.....

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2 hours ago, Savoir Faire said:

This may be off subject LOL but TOB removing the reviews has made me afraid to see anyone new. I LOVED reading REVIEWS ...... Sorry, I just had to vent, maybe I just have to give this new format a chance, we will see........Thanks for listening.....

Look at the review count...the higher the number, the better the chance of a good time. Or even if you see she’s newer but is reviewed frequently, you’re probably good!  Just a thought. Plus you can contact the reviewers.

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You are right BP fucked the industry up for those that are legit hobby players that aren't in the trafficking business.  The guy had to take the plea because he was going to get more charges that could land him in jail for more than 20 years.  Ratting his business associates was part of the plea bargain agreement.  The owners of BP better take a plea themselves or they are going to die in prison because their sentences will lengthy.  But I am glad the review system is dead because it brought too much attention to the business and created an environment of deception.  

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On 4/16/2018 at 6:42 AM, Melissa Sterling said:

Look at the review count...the higher the number, the better the chance of a good time. Or even if you see she’s newer but is reviewed frequently, you’re probably good!  Just a thought. Plus you can contact the reviewers.

Thanks for the advice Melissa...........The reviews are the MAIN reason I enjoyed TOB. We will see how things pan out I guess.

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On 4/16/2018 at 1:13 AM, Vassago said:

Davey Crockett was the last good man in Texas.

What are you smoking? Thats just a stupid thing to say. 

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blame stormy daniels lol all this happened when she came out about u know who lol 

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On 4/17/2018 at 0:23 PM, Savoir Faire said:

Thanks for the advice Melissa...........The reviews are the MAIN reason I enjoyed TOB. We will see how things pan out I guess.

The reviews are the MAIN reason a review board is enjoyed, retains it's members as well as new membership in the future. Followed closely are the ads by providers and comradery of a close knit group of like minded individuals and civil discussions. Those are the reasons that adult boards should be for.

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3 hours ago, Wile E Coyote said:

The reviews are the MAIN reason a review board is enjoyed, retains it's members as well as new membership in the future. Followed closely are the ads by providers and comradery of a close knit group of like minded individuals and civil discussions. Those are the reasons that adult boards should be for.

Until Fosta and Sesta is overturned, the old system of reviews with descriptions of activities and the TER/ECCIE system with porn quality graphic reviews is DEAD.  You need to get over the past and get with the new current world.

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16 minutes ago, ilovewomen said:

Until Fosta and Sesta is overturned, the old system of reviews with descriptions of activities and the TER/ECCIE system with porn quality graphic reviews is DEAD.  You need to get over the past and get with the new current world.

Dude, did I mention porn quality graphic reviews? I know the current situation of the hobby world, no need to keep reminding me and everyone else, get off your condescending high horse. Just giving my opionion on an opinioned board, if you disagree with my opinion, then by all means, please state yours. Also, it seems that on many of my recent posts, you seem to be right behind it quoting me, time to get a life and quit following me around.

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Wile you are right on every point

I doubt any hobby board can grow in the FOSTA ennvironment  Site owners cant monetize their traffic  Site traffic cant grow because content creators (providers posting ads with pictures and reviewers writing descriptive reviews) are severely restricted 

FOSTA will not be overturned  Just the part about being retroactive might be stricken  FOSTA is airtight. 

BTW, curious Feds didnt wait til FOSTA was signed into law because the judge in the BP case dismissed the govt claim that owners were sex traffickers. Judge ruled that FOSTA wasnt law on Apr 6 and so CDA section 230 protected BP from that charge which would have gotten them 25 yesrs. 

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9 minutes ago, Wile E Coyote said:

Dude, did I mention porn quality graphic reviews? I know the current situation of the hobby world, no need to keep reminding me and everyone else, get off your condescending high horse. Just giving my opionion on an opinioned board, if you disagree with my opinion, then by all means, please state yours. Also, it seems that on many of my recent posts, you seem to be right behind it quoting me, time to get a life and quit following me around.

I'm giving it to you because you keep complaining about the current review system and wanting the old review system back.

Get over it about the review system and talk about something else other than the review system and then maybe I won't have to comment on your post.

But since you have a one track mind about the review system, I doubt if anything will change.

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4 hours ago, ilovewomen said:

But since you have a one track mind about the review system, I doubt if anything will change.

You dont get to decide for me. I like Wile's posts. Let him talk. He was a top teviewer at eccie. 

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42 minutes ago, Diamond John said:

You dont get to decide for me. I like Wile's posts. Let him talk. He was a top teviewer at eccie. 

Oh wahhhh.  Do you have something else you want to cry about that we are doing wrong here in Denver?

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News flash. I also live in Thornton. I was born in CO before the California snowflakes fell on it.  And all I see wrong here at TOB is a few like yourself that think you speak for more than a few on a hobby board.

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I speak for myself.

When you join a board like this and one of your first posts says to change TOB to make more user friendly for Texas guys, that was definitely a wrong approach.  It sounded like you really didn't like how OB was formatted and it should be changed just for you. You came across as very arrogant.  That is what is wrong on TOB.

There was a core group of guys on ECCIE that bashed TOB and the ladies here every chance they could get.  They loved the visiting Texas ladies and would promote them amongst themselves every chance they got, all the while bashing the Denver ladies as being priced to high and not providing any services and stating how TOB reviews were worthless because they didn't provide any DETAILS like ECCIE.  By the way, the bashing of the Denver ladies and TOB was out in the open on the ECCIE forums.

After ECCIE shut down, there was in influx of guys joining TOB to complain about the review system and the navigation around TOB and how there were cliques on TOB.

The constant whining about the review system is really getting tiring.

Have a nice day Y'all.

 

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if it bothers you why post? Many Denver mongers liked the visiting Texas ladies far better thsn many of the overpriced locals. And why wouldnt they? Hot as hell low price great value doing everything cause thats how TX rolled. There will never be a hobbyworld like Dallas 200-2018 again. Glad I was there  I used to see KKnight when shed come here--nobody could touch her for hotness and value

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