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#SESTA #FOSTA- Who's been following...

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Local news now:  www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/craigslist-has-shut-down-its-personals-section - my speculation is that TER will put restrictions on how ads can be worded, what photos you can post, etc. to protect them from being sued.  Guess we will see how it plays out.

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I am just starting out here been doing this for about 6 weeks...wtf...this had been a great time so far and now this! Ugh!

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https://www.escort-ads.com/news/sesta-update-list-solutions - Some of this seems extreme, but some makes common sense...putting areas of your website behind a password protected wall, using vague terms in ads...not sure it's realistic to make sure you are hosting your website offshore, but it's possible that government entities could put pressure on hosting companies to review their websites and remove those considered on the wrong side of this legislation (the default terms of service for most hosting companies specify you can't use the website for illegal activities).  Google could start filtering specific search terms so it may be impossible to find your site through a search.  Consider getting your domain name away from a .com - .net - .biz - .org since the US has jurisdiction over those domains regardless of where they are.  As noted, it may take until 2019 for this to really hit it's stride.  Between now and then is good time to come up with plan B.  Pay attention to the current case against Microsoft regarding release of data.  The justice department wants Microsoft to release information, MS claims that since the data is housed on servers offshore they don't have to comply.  If MS loses, that means companies such as Google, AWS (Amazon Web Services), Microsoft and other hosting companies that have data centers across the globe can't use the defense that it's not on US soil, which is a really slippery slope.  https://www.wired.com/story/us-vs-microsoft-supreme-court-case-data/  Maybe we should get JRW to resurrect The Oyster!

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1 hour ago, JustFine said:

Cant you ladies just all register as porn stars?...  THEN even trump will support you :) 

Omg genius!

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On 3/22/2018 at 9:50 PM, JRWolfe said:

Dumb move.They should make the hobby legal, collect taxes on it and pay off the national debt.

They do it in Nevada at the brothels. Why not everywhere else? A girl can dream...

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Something else that passed this weekend can make it easier to get offshore data, so, where a site is hosted might not be as much an out as it once was. Not that it was much an out: articles over the years where Feds have hacked into sites or have seized the addresses of sites.

https://www.engadget.com/amp/2018/03/24/cloud-act-law/

I recall a thread from years ago where the ASP recounted how years before that that she had to go to the newspaper's office to post an initial set of ads (once you opened the account, can renew ad over the phone). Seem to recall that she needed to provide ID and credit card in her name.

Can see someone big like Backpage doing something similar. To post an ad, need to provide copy of ID, credit card in their name, verification pic of provider. Can take it further by verifying info provided against the personal information databases out there. Once ok, then can post ads. Sure, bad people will find ways around, but anonymity outside of dark web will be a thing of the past, imo.

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If the new laws make it possible for "offenders to be prosecuted retroactively," then I wonder if personal email communication between fellow hobbyists can or would be used as evidence?  

One would think that the goal of this new legislation is to combat trafficking/slavery, not go after citizens who otherwise work and pay taxes?

Is writing a review categorized as a 'fantasy review' as culpable as a candid email convo with a friend that discusses referrals, recommendations, intimate details, rates & services?  Does the government have the time or the resources to prosecute every john, provider & website admin in the USA?  This could cripple vast sections of the civilian middle class economy, would it not?

What about if one privately admited to a friend, in writing, for example, that you made your secretary's house payment for which you then received intimate rewards?  How far will this go??

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12 hours ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

They do it in Nevada at the brothels. Why not everywhere else? A girl can dream...

 Agreed.

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20 hours ago, JustFine said:

Cant you ladies just all register as porn stars?

        Obvious you are both unaware of how the Hal Freedman act works as well as the fact that this new law will effect not only sites such as this,but escort  personal websites too.

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On 3/23/2018 at 9:48 AM, Cali Rose said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/true-crime/wp/2018/03/21/bill-enabling-prosecutors-to-pursue-websites-that-host-sex-traffickers-heads-to-white-house/

Has anyone seen this yet? Apparently some other sites are shutting down as well because of this bill. I wonder if it will effect TOB 😢. 

Well, Undoubtedly it will! MY opinion, (which always 200% accurate BTW B)) is that Ads will probably not list Menus and Donations! maybe not any text either!

It could be just contact info!?

It also might not have reviews anymore. What would be cool is another site, independent of TOB that has reviews and referrals! Members Only!! Similar to P411!

Maybe as members we can refer Newbs, kind of like P411 does!  Who knows but one thing is for sure CHANGE is coming if that bill gets signed!

The thing is we ALL need to prepare for the eventual and inevitable changes coming! I have already begun a list on my USB drive of ladies I see and want to see.

I have started visiting P411 and messaging ladies there that also have links here!

I think the Forums will remain. And we may see more Referrals Via Messaging, texts, emails, phone calls? Heck that goes on now anyway! I have referred gents to several ladies here! I get asked quite often whom I can refer especially new guys! What is probably going to be the most difficult task for you ladies is Screening!

That's where we ALL can contribute to one anther's safety. I implore ANY lady to ask me about anything! (clients?) If I know him I'll for sure tell you!

Guys, the same applies to you! Contact me or SOMEONE you trust! We know that goes on already so keep that going!

Ladies and Gents, keep the lines of communication open to those you know and trust!  Be proactive!

 

 

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Coming back to Denver because of this news I'm leaving Portland!! From what I heard on eccie and tna they believe p411 will hold out the longest because it's in Canada but who knows really it's super scary I was trying to go to school here now I'm in limbo 

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On 3/25/2018 at 0:47 PM, JustFine said:

Once it is made legal, it then becomes acceptable, and the amount of women doing this goes up.. competition goes up.. and supposedly prices then go down.

Are you SURE you want that ladies?

Legality will be better for everyone, but I don't see it increasing the numbers of providers much. The social stigma is very oppressing, and that's not going to change.  Most women just do not want to do this line of work--it takes a very special type to consider this. Plus, legalizing may come with some sort of registration process, which will dissuade others. If anything, legalization will probably increase the demand, as johns who couldn't risk getting arrested for this misdemeanor will start coming out to see escorts...

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I don't see prices going down. Or maybe the better way to phrase it is that it won't up the income level. We see this with legal herbal things that are now available in states across the country: cheaper to purchase from the dude up the street vs. legal shop and it's taxes, fees, etc.

You also kinda see that in NV where you are looking at spending $1,000 at a brothel (again, fees, licenses, taxes, house shares) vs. woman working non-legally is getting anywhere from $100-600/hr. And if she's with an agency, the house is getting their cut there as well.

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Another one bites the dust. Nightshift has gone offline. Has anyone seen any others besides what’s already been named changing? 

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32 minutes ago, sweetkarizmatic said:

Another one bites the dust. Nightshift has gone offline. Has anyone seen any others besides what’s already been named changing? 

Myscarletbook.com is gone also. It was a knock off site but I got business from it.

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On 3/24/2018 at 9:21 AM, JustFine said:

Maybe I should take a video cam with every time I set up an appointment... then its Perfectly Legal !

 

  oye vey....civilians .

 

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On 3/24/2018 at 10:21 AM, JustFine said:

Maybe I should take a video cam with every time I set up an appointment... then its Perfectly Legal !

 

You could use it to video your arrest, documenting any police brutality which may (NOT) occur. 

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On 3/23/2018 at 6:55 PM, a_happycamper_12 said:

It’s going to change a bit. There may come a time when, like Backpage (ick!) where no words or donation (suggestions) are permitted. It may evolve into a board where “ back channel “ messaging discussions occur. I do that a lot anyway. Ads probably won’t show “suggested” donations. Ads probably won’t have acronyms of “services “ .  Screening might become more difficult, for both clients and providers. I know ladies screen But guys also screen. I don’t know how many times I’ve had guys ask me if I think any of the ladies here could be LE!  Mostly newbs. 

The thing is, we all need to adapt, improvise. Communicate with each other. Use your references. Ask for references! Give references. Guys, Reach out to a lady you want to see. 

Ladies, reach out to those guys.

Everyone, Lurk on the On LIne User list! See who’s on line ! Visit the profiles of each other. We can see when you visited !  Message each other! Ask about each other. Follow each other!  

This is a great community! Be prepared for change. Let’s support each other!

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I try to give my clients a few other providers to see in my absence, or just for some variety. Also, There are a few other providers who send guys my way. I will get a better list together with rates included in case we go underground. I added my provider name and email to leonalunes list as well. Providers, if you know how to treat your clients well, feel free to reach out to me with your info. I'm leaving in a month anyway, and I have great regulars I refer to other girls.  Things are about to be more difficult, but there are many of us, hobbiests and providers, who were around before the internet was even a thing. Lol. We'll be alright. 

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It would be sad to see this community disappear, but I am confident that where there's a will, there's a way. Private discussion boards and listservs have been around forever. The secret will be to stay above the specific constraints of the law. As long as the group keeps the discussions in the technically acceptable space, lots of communication can take place. 

I am keeping a spreadsheet with the available contact info for my current and someday, really favorites.

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1 hour ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

I try to give my clients a few other providers to see in my absence, or just for some variety. Also, There are a few other providers who send guys my way. I will get a better list together with rates included in case we go underground. I added my provider name and email to leonalunes list as well. Providers, if you know how to treat your clients well, feel free to reach out to me with your info. I'm leaving in a month anyway, and I have great regulars I refer to other girls.  Things are about to be more difficult, but there are many of us, hobbiests and providers, who were around before the internet was even a thing. Lol. We'll be alright. 

You see Hunter dear! It's about helping each other! ALTHOUGH! I don't need help finding providers! :cool:  BUT I messaged 2 guys just this morning about using me as a reference. Relax ladies they are WELL established gentlemen!

And Dang it! I feel old,(B)) I HAVE been around and playing longer than the internet has been around!

Love you Hunter!:wub:

 

 

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2 minutes ago, a_happycamper_12 said:

You see Hunter dear! It's about helping each other! ALTHOUGH! I don't need help finding providers! :cool:  BUT I messaged 2 guys just this morning about using me as a reference. Relax ladies they are WELL established gentlemen!

And Dang it! I feel old,(B)) I HAVE been around and playing longer than the internet has been around!

Love you Hunter!:wub:

 

 

YOU definitely don't need any help Happycamper! Lol. Please put my email and number in your list though!  Love you too baby! ❤

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3 minutes ago, Hunter VanDyke said:

YOU definitely don't need any help Happycamper! Lol. Please put my email and number in your list though!  Love you too baby! ❤

ABSOLUTELY Hunter dear!

Much Love and Many Kisses !:wub::rolleyes:

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You two need to get a room. :rolleyes:

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4 hours ago, BadBoy said:

You two need to get a room. :rolleyes:

We did 

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On 3/23/2018 at 9:14 PM, Laci French said:

If anyone knows a programmer/coder hook me up.

What do you need? That's what I do hahahahaha....no but really, feel free to PM me.

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On 3/25/2018 at 4:26 PM, Chloeblue83 said:

Coming back to Denver because of this news I'm leaving Portland!! From what I heard on eccie and tna they believe p411 will hold out the longest because it's in Canada but who knows really it's super scary I was trying to go to school here now I'm in limbo 

Yeah, I feel you. Same with me. Im wondering if I should shut down my personal site.

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10 hours ago, a_happycamper_12 said:

And Dang it! I feel old,(B)) I HAVE been around and playing longer than the internet has been around!

 

 

 

   We are  a seasoned club.

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