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Potential clients what's in your toolbox when searching a prospective provider and what criteria do you like them to meet before booking?  Do they have to have a website? Reviews within a certain time frame? Do you look for any sort of web presence? I want to hear what you use to verify your providers not just for validity but compatibility.

Providers, the reverse question. What do you do to keep your presence fresh? 

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Personally, I look for recent reviews, a website, blog or twitter (or recent board posts), and advertising. I usually do a google search, and read everything I can find. 

If she has some good recent reviews, posts/twitter/blog that I like, and rates I can afford, I'll try to book, when I have time.

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I look for P411 and Reviews.  I also check the veracity of the reviewers.  The age of the reviews are considered, but more than that, the "reputation" of the reviewer weighs heavy.  10 reviews by prolific reviewers goes further than 20 reviews by one time reviewers.

 

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27 minutes ago, mustang said:

I look for P411 and Reviews.  I also check the veracity of the reviewers.  The age of the reviews are considered, but more than that, the "reputation" of the reviewer weighs heavy.  10 reviews by prolific reviewers goes further than 20 reviews by one time reviewers.

 

Nothing really beyond that? No websites? I know there have been times that one off reviewers have been self reviews but so very many are legitimate. Traveling guys will often post one off reviews because this is the local site. Personally I think prolific reviewers can be iffy too. I would imagine the guys that write copy and paste glowing reviews for everyone make it more complicated. 

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4 minutes ago, Nookiemonster4u said:

Well on the client side..there are only a few reference spots...this site is a wealth of info. And there are the three members only review sites but they don't offer non members much help....and. Sexy Gorilla is a good a source .... along with just Googling the phone number or picture. There's not much more we have, just hope for the best

I think you need a shift in perspective, there are a ton of good resources but it depends on the information you're looking for. What information are you looking for before you book?

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Reviews yes, recently, like 2 days ago I emailed a Lady with no reviews, she responded like a box of rocks...pass. I've learned I've got Short Man's Complex, so sometimes taller Ladies intimidate me, that being said I've seen up tp 6 footers. I like more petite, voluptuous works, but curvy no longer does. MM's are fine, no issue there. I read ads now more than I do websites anymore, but then again I hardly ever see anybody new. I like regulars. Never ever a hotel...ever. hygiene a must, always prebook, and never cancel. Best resources are P411, TOB, and TER. Still have to buy into ECCIE and BP no way. I've been fortunate and am quite comfortable in my own little world here. Have met some really really nice peeps, and others...EH!

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I'm pretty new so I look for a second place to confirm my first impression.  Either second review site, a personal website or P411 link.  After that I think I look for something I find attractive.  Looks, stats, maybe something in the bio or eye that catches my eye.  And of course availably with my schedule and my ability to donate appropriately at the moment. 

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Almost a "point system".  Everything adds up.

Website that looks good and well maintained?  5 points.  Website that's out of date?  2 or 3 points.

Twitter that's active?  5 points.  Fairly inactive?  1 point.

Good interaction on forums?  Good reviews?  Donation amounts that are pretty consistent across all sources?  All those good points add up.  If there's a bad review, is there a well written rebuttal

I want to see photos that look like you're a professional who cares about your brand, not selfies that make me think you decided to escort 20 minutes before.  And definitely not selfies that make me think you're trying to attract 17 year old boy band members.

 

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59 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Nothing really beyond that? No websites? I know there have been times that one off reviewers have been self reviews but so very many are legitimate. Traveling guys will often post one off reviews because this is the local site. Personally I think prolific reviewers can be iffy too. I would imagine the guys that write copy and paste glowing reviews for everyone make it more complicated. 

yes, I will peruse the web site if there is one, but I have seen dozens with nothing more than a post (and solid reviews) here, and until recently just a page on p411.  The loss of service descriptions on p411 has put more importance on reviews.  Often I will use pm on p411 and request my future date review my profile and be CERTAIN that the things I enjoy (require) do not fall outside her comfort level.

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4 hours ago, Nookiemonster4u said:

Myself. I have to say ....I'm pretty shallow about that.....looks are my first attraction. I look at reviews mainly for information on Services..... rate and how other clients have got along with her. But then again reviews or so so much based on one person's perspective they're pretty much unreliable

Attraction is obvious but do you vet providers based on looks? 

The shift in perspective comes when you know what it is your looking for and what ways you can find it out. Yes reviews are helpful but it's information about us providers that doesn't come from us. Personally I think there should be a balance in the information you collect, some should be from fellow clients and the rest from the provider herself. See if the information contradicts itself. If reviews say a provider is bubbly does her online presence match?

Since it seems you travel far to meet providers I would guess you put more effort into the research. Don't just research validity, research compatibility. You like her pics but do you like her ads? If she has a website does it appeal to you?  Does she have  twitter or a blog?  The best encounters come from those that do that kind of research.

It might also be worth considering taking a pass on a provider if she doesn't have any sort of web presence beyond reviews. I would think it's hard to get a feel from a person when the don't offer a lot of insight to who they are and what their business is about. 

When you refine your searches and up your standards (not that they're low by any means) in your research criteria you will have amazing appointments every time. 

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51 minutes ago, FuriousWeasel said:

Almost a "point system".  Everything adds up.

Website that looks good and well maintained?  5 points.  Website that's out of date?  2 or 3 points.

Twitter that's active?  5 points.  Fairly inactive?  1 point.

Good interaction on forums?  Good reviews?  Donation amounts that are pretty consistent across all sources?  All those good points add up.  If there's a bad review, is there a well written rebuttal

I want to see photos that look like you're a professional who cares about your brand, not selfies that make me think you decided to escort 20 minutes before.  And definitely not selfies that make me think you're trying to attract 17 year old boy band members.

 

TOB reviews - Check

TER, ECCIE reviews - Check

Twitter account updated - Check

Updated fabulous Website - Check

New pictures that fit my personality - Check.  Not a snapchat with bunny ears. 

No cell phone selfies - Check 

Look at all those points!!!!

Most importantly be kind to the people reaching out to you!  This can be their way of screening.  I know I do not like R U avail, I like someone that is polite and can make a complete sentence.  I am sure most men are the  same way.... DO NOT be rude.... 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Raine-7379 said:

Most importantly be kind to the people reaching out to you!  This can be their way of screening.  I know I do not like R U avail, I like someone that is polite and can make a complete sentence.  I am sure most men are the  same way.... DO NOT be rude.... 

You know what's funny:  At the bottom of my previous comment, I wrote a whole paragraph on "As a provider I want to see you be kind to everyone I see you interact with."  Clients, other providers, everyone.  If I see cruelty to lets say another provider, a newbie, anyone, that's something that can't be recovered from.  The whole if you can't say something nice then STFU rule applies.  Yes, everyone needs to blow off steam in private, but you go and write it online, it's out there forever, and that makes a huge impression on me as to who someone really is.

I shouldn't have deleted what I wrote before, but I just couldn't make it sound right.  

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I usually start out with is the lady physically what I am attracted to, websites and reviews would help me decide if she and I mesh well after that. Honestly  i love the thicker ladies. That is my initial method to selecting a provider. On the other hand I have met with one lady not normally my type based on her forum interactions here(personality) and she is absolutely awesome.   I guess just be yourself either on your add or web page is what I recommend.

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For me, what I look for in clients is mostly in how they treat me. I want to hear them say hi, introduce themselves, be able to have an intellectual conversation, playful banter, make me laugh, have a nice cock(yes, a good cock can turn me on...and I don't mean a big one), is clean, is respectful, kind and thoughtful, prompt, listens to directions, wants to know what pleases me(even if I want to just please you, it is nice to know you are thinking of my needs too), and wants to have fun.

You quickly go up on my list with these things. You go down on my list, if you just lay there(booooring), overstay my welcome, dirty, continually late, haggle, say you want to please, but don't listen when I tell you what I like, insult my craft even though you gush about how highly reviewed I am with it, rarely talks or acts like I am just there to have my mouth permanently on you, and work me to the bone for little pay. I know this one is honest, but us ladies do keep tabs on what we like and don't like. I am a pretty resilient lady, but even I have my limits.

If you have been in this biz as long as I have( I know others that have been in longer),  you tend to get pickier and want to enjoy the time more with someone that is compatible to you. Whereas when you start, you are still figuring things out and taking business to build your portfolio, so to speak. I just know what annoys me, stresses me out, and I don't want to deal with it anymore. I am much happier that way.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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2 hours ago, FuriousWeasel said:

You know what's funny:  At the bottom of my previous comment, I wrote a whole paragraph on "As a provider I want to see you be kind to everyone I see you interact with."  Clients, other providers, everyone.  If I see cruelty to lets say another provider, a newbie, anyone, that's something that can't be recovered from.  The whole if you can't say something nice then STFU rule applies.  Yes, everyone needs to blow off steam in private, but you go and write it online, it's out there forever, and that makes a huge impression on me as to who someone really is.

I shouldn't have deleted what I wrote before, but I just couldn't make it sound right.  

That is so true, you can never get over that.  I have seen some really nasty bashing, and name calling on other sites.  Ladies trashing other providers. Clients being disrespectful. Rude to new clients.

Weare all in this together, so be nice or STFU!! 

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15 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Potential clients what's in your toolbox when searching a prospective provider and what criteria do you like them to meet before booking?  Do they have to have a website? Reviews within a certain time frame? Do you look for any sort of web presence? I want to hear what you use to verify your providers not just for validity but compatibility.

Providers, the reverse question. What do you do to keep your presence fresh? 

Despite all claims to the effect that physical appearance does not matter, sorry not true here.  I am hard wired with certain preferences.  Fortunately they are not particularly hard to meet, but yes, catching the eye happens before the research kicks in.  Here lately for an increasing number of providers I am finding sites such as sub reddits, chatterbate, skype shows, selling vids, etc. to be extremely useful.  I would prefer to get an idea of menu and personality from those sources or a traditional website than from reviews.  As to reviews - level of importance is dependent on who the reviewer is and how reliable their reviews have been in past.  Helps when it is a reviewer that shares my basic tastes.  Social media accounts such as twitter, instagram, imgur can be useful as well but I hate how aggressive they are at stealing every shred of personal info they can.  And lastly, but after many years, my most important screening tool is gut feeling based upon available information.

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52 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

For me, what I look for in clients is mostly in how they treat me. I want to hear them say hi, introduce themselves, be able to have an intellectual conversation, playful banter, make me laugh, have a nice cock(yes, a good cock can turn me on...and I don't mean a big one), i

OK, Samantha since you threw it out there .... I gotta ask.  What in your book constitutes "a good cock"??

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13 hours ago, FuriousWeasel said:

Almost a "point system".  Everything adds up.

Website that looks good and well maintained?  5 points.  Website that's out of date?  2 or 3 points.

Twitter that's active?  5 points.  Fairly inactive?  1 point.

Good interaction on forums?  Good reviews?  Donation amounts that are pretty consistent across all sources?  All those good points add up.  If there's a bad review, is there a well written rebuttal

I want to see photos that look like you're a professional who cares about your brand, not selfies that make me think you decided to escort 20 minutes before.  And definitely not selfies that make me think you're trying to attract 17 year old boy band members.

 

Here's my thing with photos, I have hated every singe pro shoot I've had. I have yet to meet a photographer that knows how to showcase full-figured bodies. I like my selfies because I know my best angles and those are the photos that make me feel sexy. I do like to see good pro photos myself but I know as the person who has to advertise those photos if you're uncomfortable with them it comes with a lack of confidence. 

Back on topic, these are the answers I was looking for. With the deciding to walk thread and the "horror" stories of bait and switch it made me curious as to what metric clients use to decide on a provider. Looking at the replies it looks like some clients need to beef up on their research skills. I think it's also time to expand as times have changed. I think if a provider doesn't have a presence outside of reviews and ads then maybe take a pass. 

I can't lie, it's also a passive aggressive attempt to get local ladies to step up their game a bit. If you're not a survivalist sex worker then you should be investing in your business. If this is your sole source of income then you should at minimum have a website. It can be difficult and expensive but there are lots of tools out there and more and more services being offered by fellow people in the industry. 

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33 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Here's my thing with photos, I have hated every singe pro shoot I've had. I have yet to meet a photographer that knows how to showcase full-figured bodies. I like my selfies because I know my best angles and those are the photos that make me feel sexy. I do like to see good pro photos myself but I know as the person who has to advertise those photos if you're uncomfortable with them it comes with a lack of confidence. 

Back on topic, these are the answers I was looking for. With the deciding to walk thread and the "horror" stories of bait and switch it made me curious as to what metric clients use to decide on a provider. Looking at the replies it looks like some clients need to beef up on their research skills. I think it's also time to expand as times have changed. I think if a provider doesn't have a presence outside of reviews and ads then maybe take a pass. 

I can't lie, it's also a passive aggressive attempt to get local ladies to step up their game a bit. If you're not a survivalist sex worker then you should be investing in your business. If this is your sole source of income then you should at minimum have a website. It can be difficult and expensive but there are lots of tools out there and more and more services being offered by fellow people in the industry. 

Selfies can be done well, or done badly.  The just have to look like you care about how it looks and put effort into it.  For most it is get a good photographer, for a few the selfie works pretty good too.

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I actually do not care for the professional pictures because i actually like ladies who do not need to doll it up and play angle/lighting tricks. I have had the good fortune of not being surprised by misleading photos because i actually examine them pretty carefully. That being said I also feel if the ladies can put info out that give insights to personality it could attract me regardless of if she is model material or not. I enjoy learning about people I want to spend time with.   

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I'm not active much anymore, but in my time I was much more into faces than anything else. After all, I spent a lot of time watching eyes and reading pleasure through the face more than any other part of a provider's body. I adore little spinners, but my ATF was an under-the-radar provider who was a bit on the plump side. Three things made her my favorite, her looks, her personality, and the fact that she was always so damned horny. You can't fake that stuff.

Oh, and reviews, especially if variety is your thing. Personally, it's overrated, but if you want it, then reviews are probably top priority.

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For myself I do my best to do these things, this isn't all of them but more so a short list for myself.

 

- Stay active on Twitter (I'm new to it so its a work in progress)

- Have occasional uploads of selfies (Keeps appearances recent)

- Currently Pending Professional Shots (Cause those are always a nice addition)

- Always adding more to my website or updating it in one way or another. (I as a person change which means sometimes my interests or menu changes a bit, people need to know)

- Try to post ahead (Prebooking has always been easier for me an a good portion of gents I see, plus makes screening easier if I need to get ahold of a lady)

- Do my best to respond when I am available

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4 hours ago, gr8owl said:

OK, Samantha since you threw it out there .... I gotta ask.  What in your book constitutes "a good cock"??

LOL! One that is clean and hard are preferable. I do get a few soft ones, and they are fun too if they are eager! ;)

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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3 hours ago, acmb2017 said:

I actually do not care for the professional pictures because i actually like ladies who do not need to doll it up and play angle/lighting tricks. I have had the good fortune of not being surprised by misleading photos because i actually examine them pretty carefully. That being said I also feel if the ladies can put info out that give insights to personality it could attract me regardless of if she is model material or not. I enjoy learning about people I want to spend time with.   

Half of mine are professional, but I made it clear that I wanted them to be a representation of me and not to hide what I have so there was no mistake of what the client is getting. You are right...I do see some ladies use heavy editing, or severe angles to hide what they have and they don't realize those things is what makes certain clients see them. I never want a client to walk in and say those aren't me, ever! I do understand the need to hide face, tattoos, certain scars that can be recognizable, but if you are upfront about those things...a lady will be fine.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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9 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

Half of mine are professional, but I made it clear that I wanted them to be a representation of me and not to hide what I have so there was no mistake of what the client is getting. You are right...I do see some ladies use heavy editing, or severe angles to hide what they have and they don't realize those things is what makes certain clients see them. I never want a client to walk in and say those aren't me, ever! I do understand the need to hide face, tattoos, certain scars that can be recognizable, but if you are upfront about those things...a lady will be fine.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

That is exactly the way it should be... Even with selfies, woman are going to cover up their unfavorable assets. You do not want to look like you are made out of plastic like a Barbi doll.  

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1 hour ago, SultryKitten said:

For me, what I look for in clients is mostly in how they treat me. I want to hear them say hi, introduce themselves, be able to have an intellectual conversation, playful banter, make me laugh, have a nice cock(yes, a good cock can turn me on...and I don't mean a big one), is clean, is respectful, kind and thoughtful, prompt, listens to directions, wants to know what pleases me(even if I want to just please you, it is nice to know you are thinking of my needs too), and wants to have fun.

You quickly go up on my list with these things. You go down on my list, if you just lay there(booooring), overstay my welcome, dirty, continually late, haggle, say you want to please, but don't listen when I tell you what I like, insult my craft even though you gush about how highly reviewed I am with it, rarely talks or acts like I am just there to have my mouth permanently on you, and work me to the bone for little pay. I know this one is honest, but us ladies do keep tabs on what we like and don't like. I am a pretty resilient lady, but even I have my limits.

If you have been in this biz as long as I have( I know others that have been in longer),  you tend to get pickier and want to enjoy the time more with someone that is compatible to you. Whereas when you start, you are still figuring things out and taking business to build your portfolio, so to speak. I just know what annoys me, stresses me out, and I don't want to deal with it anymore. I am much happier that way.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

That wasn't really what I meant but good reply anyways. What do you do as a provider to keep your web presence fresh and consistent? How do you project all that you just said to your clients? Like, I like to use my website for both information and specialized marketing and I like Twitter to share my interests. It's in those ways that I filter out my ideal clients without being blunt or seeming exclusionary (which I don't want to do anyways). 

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This is a business and needs to be run as such.  You would never go to a doctor or buy flowers where the website is filled with bathroom selfies with makeup and clothes all over the place.  Why should SW's not put some effort and pride into their site??? I agree, all pictures need to look like you no matter how they are taken.  I just modeled for to many years to put crappy pictures online..... I am with Sam, I want them to fit and look like me; no surprises.. 

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20 hours ago, Raine-7379 said:

TOB reviews - Check

TER, ECCIE reviews - Check

Twitter account updated - Check

Updated fabulous Website - Check

New pictures that fit my personality - Check.  Not a snapchat with bunny ears. 

No cell phone selfies - Check 

Look at all those points!!!!

Most importantly be kind to the people reaching out to you!  This can be their way of screening.  I know I do not like R U avail, I like someone that is polite and can make a complete sentence.  I am sure most men are the  same way.... DO NOT be rude.... 

 

 

I forgot P411... Makes me laugh, you cannot say anything about sex and not even a hint of your hoohoo showing, and I mean a tiny tiny hint cannot be showing. But there is a whole list of things you will provided.... Seems confusing to me.   licking asses in not on my list.... LOL 

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2 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

That wasn't really what I meant but good reply anyways. What do you do as a provider to keep your web presence fresh and consistent? How do you project all that you just said to your clients? Like, I like to use my website for both information and specialized marketing and I like Twitter to share my interests. It's in those ways that I filter out my ideal clients without being blunt or seeming exclusionary (which I don't want to do anyways). 

Hmmm, well I always try to keep in mind that this business is like evolution...always changing, and I try to keep changing with it. That said, I do keep certain things consistent...like when I work, my rates(to a point), keeping people informed of changes, locations, and my services.

As for advertising, I try to think of what the guys want to know(times, dates, rates, location, and contact info) and if the site allows it, make sure I have my info available along with an opening that shows a side of me so they get to know a piece of me. Not all sites are the same so there is a difference in some of them, but I try to keep them consistent. On Twitter, I want them to get to know me on a more personal level, and I also am a little more direct with advertising. My website is what I refer to as the "foundation". This is where I express myself and put things that I want all clients to see. I tried FB, and hated it. I still haven't gotten comfortable with Instagram, but might break down and take the plunge as I hear some providers do well with it.

Really, it depends on the area you are working in on what sites you use. Denver, I use ECCIE, TOB, BP, CV, MSB, and TER. On the East coast, I use Indys, Ave-X, TER, EROS, ECCIE, BP,  EC, and BestGFE. This changes depending on the area, but I don't change my personality to fit each area. Even if I am not working, I try to keep something up so people know I am still around, I keep tabs on what is out there on me, and I do my best to keep up with my texts, emails, and phone calls so my clients know I am not ignoring them. 

Lastly, I eliminated my phone number so I could focus on clients that were serious in seeing me, and take the time to go through my screening process. Since I have done that, my clientele is definitely better and I have had only one I have had to get rid of so there is something to being stricter with screening. BP, I use a burner phone I had lying around and if they call, I ignore them. If they text, I will send them straight to my site. I still get a few diamonds, but they are far and fewer from there. The good thing is since they can't seem to read my pictures, they call instead, and never text or fill out my form on my site...I avoid most of the  trouble. Work smart, not harder! 

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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