Layne Jane

With The Repeal of Net Neutrality Today

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How is this going to affect providers advertising in the future? Is it time to find a real job and give up on this? Is this going to be the return of old school advertising in print maybe?

Sincerely, 

A Concerned Newbie

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You are thinking too small. The hobby fish is a minnow. The issue is the use of the Net as a powerful tool of propaganda.

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39 minutes ago, Admiral C said:

You are thinking too small. The hobby fish is a minnow. The issue is the use of the Net as a powerful tool of propaganda.

    A lot of hate propaganda on the internet dividing the country.  I'm all for free speech...with the facts ,not the lies Omar Rivero and company are circulating. As for the hobby, its here to stay..don't worry.

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Watching the news right now, it sounds like its more about fees going UP,than censorship.

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Fees going up. And roadblocks.

For example, want to watch Netflix? Your cable provider can block it or force you to pay to access them, increase video quality (or make Netflix pay, which will be passed onto you). ISPs will try to drive you to their video services.

Could cut internet speed and then raise prices, again, to get back to faster speeds. Stuff coming from internet provide is fast, anything not part of their service, intentionally slowed down.

Since most places do not have competition for internet service, and with some states having laws preventing municipal cable/internet, pretty much going to get screwed by the local monopoly.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/01/net-neutrality-faq-title-i-title-ii-2017/

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who gives a rats, they're gonna do what they want to do......also it's called the oldest profession for a reason.....but i would be worried about robots if i were you ladies. ^_^

 

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4 hours ago, Layne Jane said:

How is this going to affect providers advertising in the future? Is it time to find a real job and give up on this? Is this going to be the return of old school advertising in print maybe?

Sincerely, 

A Concerned Newbie

Net neutrality has been around for only 2 years.  This hobby has been doing fine on the internet before and after, I'm sure we'll all survive.

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Where the FCC has voted to repeal it, with formidable opposition the Congressional Review Act may be invoked to nix it, which more than one legislator has vowed to do. This said, like @JRWolfe said, it's not about censorship but profiteering, not to mention the ever lingering anti-Obama stench.

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Please don't worry.   

Most people don't know that just two short years ago, Net Neutrality was not even a thing.  The regulations that we call "Net Neutrality" were put in place to allow the bureaucrats in Washington to eventually control access to and content on the Internet.  The title was just a carefully crafted marketing strategy to fool the masses into thinking it was a good thing.  The repeal that happened yesterday simply reversed those fascist rules and returned freedom to the web.  It is the best thing in the long run.

(I hope this post passes the @BadBoy grammar test!!)  :D

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20 minutes ago, CountryGentleman said:

Please don't worry.   

Most people don't know that just two short years ago, Net Neutrality was not even a thing.  The regulations that we call "Net Neutrality" were put in place to allow the bureaucrats in Washington to eventually control access to and content on the Internet.  The title was just a carefully crafted marketing strategy to fool the masses into thinking it was a good thing.  The repeal that happened yesterday simply reversed those fascist rules and returned freedom to the web.  It is the best thing in the long run.

(I hope this post passes the @BadBoy grammar test!!)  :D

It certainly does not pass the "know what you are talking about" test. :) What it returns is full power to the mega corporate ISP's to use access, speed, availability to squash the competition and establish all controlling monopoly power, and by extension the feds to leverage them into de facto regulation of entire industries.  Like say ..... oh, I don't know .... escorting.  And I am sure the usual suspects will scream foul, invoke Hillary/Obama ghosts of Christmas past and say I am the one that does not know what I am talking about.  And for once I hope they are right.

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13 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

 and say I am the one that does not know what I am talking about.  And for once I hope they are right.

Well, if the recorded history of the internet BEFORE net neutrality.....1995 to 2015....is any indication, you are in fact very wrong.  So that should make you feel better.

We just went back to the way things were.  Kind of a nice change.

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20 minutes ago, Yorick said:

Well, if the recorded history of the internet BEFORE net neutrality.....1995 to 2015....is any indication, you are in fact very wrong.  So that should make you feel better.

We just went back to the way things were.  Kind of a nice change.

Interesting theory that if something once worked it will always work.  It was adopted to address emerging issues related the growth of mega interests like Netflix, Facebook, Google evil empire, mergers of ISP's with major users, etc.  and the looming effect on the little guy's ability (some would say right - and under the terms of classifying it as a regulated utility, it pretty much is - was) and the fact that general populace and industry reliance on said internet and ability to access it AND do so without budget crushing fees and intentional slow downs was increasing daily to the point of an essential part of life.  In other words, it was enacted to protect a whole lot of folks, including the little guy in view of changing conditions.  The repeal is just one more wet kiss on the ass of mega corporate interests.

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1 minute ago, gr8owl said:

Interesting theory that if something once worked it will always work.  It was adopted to address emerging issues related the growth of mega interests like Netflix, Facebook, Google evil empire, mergers of ISP's with major users, etc.  and the looming effect on the little guy's ability (some would say right - and under the terms of classifying it as a regulated utility, it pretty much is - was) and the fact that general populace and industry reliance on said internet and ability to access it AND do so without budget crushing fees and intentional slow downs was increasing daily to the point of an essential part of life.  In other words, it was enacted to protect a whole lot of folks, including the little guy in view of changing conditions.  The repeal is just one more wet kiss on the ass of mega corporate interests.

So.....

Lay back on my couch, please.  Take a deep breath and try to tell me:

Where does this irrational fear of corporations come from?  I've worked with and for them all my life.  Most of them are made up of....and run by....pretty nice folks.

 

Sometimes free markets just work best. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Yorick said:

Well, if the recorded history of the internet BEFORE net neutrality.....1995 to 2015....is any indication, you are in fact very wrong.  So that should make you feel better.

We just went back to the way things were.  Kind of a nice change.

Actually the basis for net neutrality began in 2010 when the realization that major corporations we’re priming to start charging streaming services more money. The Obama administration’s FCC stepped in and setup regulations. ISPs sued the FCC and won because they weren’t considered common carriers like phone companies. In 2015 ISPs were classified as common carriers, regulations enforced, and here we are. 

Further the term “Net Neutrality” was coined in 2003 putting it closer to your 1995 example than 2015. 

I’m also fairly certain we can all agree the internet we have today is vastly different than 1995. And given the age of streaming as an example when most ISPs own services are inferior to most other competitors it’s not hard to see or understand the potential for disaster there when it comes to options or possible future competitors. And really just the basic dissemination of information.

I personally think of countries behind proxies with extreme filtering of information. I’d rather not have that be it by the government or a corporation. 

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34 minutes ago, Yorick said:

So.....

Lay back on my couch, please.  Take a deep breath and try to tell me:

Where does this irrational fear of corporations come from?  I've worked with and for them all my life.  Most of them are made up of....and run by....pretty nice folks.

 

Sometimes free markets just work best. 

 

Don't need your snarky comments hinting at psych evaluations on your couch and I certainly do not need to take a deep breath or relax.  I have no irrational fear, but rather concerns that arise from a history of ancestors raped by the robber barons of the late 1800's, the coal barons, steel and rail barrons, and on and on that caused the need for anti monopoly and collusion laws, labor unions, etc.

Yes, free markets work best.  When there is just enough regulation to keep them truly free and not be one giant monopoly.  Interesting that you argue against that which is intended to promote what you claim to be in favor of.

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On 12/15/2017 at 7:48 AM, Ile Haversnatch said:

Where the FCC has voted to repeal it, with formidable opposition the Congressional Review Act may be invoked to nix it, which more than one legislator has vowed to do. This said, like @JRWolfe said, it's not about censorship but profiteering, not to mention the ever lingering anti-Obama stench.

Yet.

One police chief in Chicago with a letter writing campaign started the changes with BP going after CC companies. I'm sure he can find the address for Comcast too. 

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Net Neutrality has existed for much longer than 2 years. 2 years ago the FCC made clear that ISPs are common carriers, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't how the Internet was operated prior to 2015.

The debate goes back to the 1990's and the FCC has been involved since the early 2000's. The 2015 FCC decision was forced by the ISP's who were working to find ways around the rules that caused them to act essentially as common carriers.

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On 12/15/2017 at 2:45 PM, Yorick said:

So.....

Lay back on my couch, please.  Take a deep breath and try to tell me:

Where does this irrational fear of corporations come from?  I've worked with and for them all my life.  Most of them are made up of....and run by....pretty nice folks.

 

Sometimes free markets just work best. 

 

Free Market?  Major ISPs have proven they want to take away any and all choice when it comes to Internet access.  They've spent tens (hundreds?) of millions battling the FCC and FTC.  They've pushed through laws in multiple states that take away the ability for cities to establish municipal broadband, and are now behind a proposal in Congress called the "Open Internet Preservation Act" which among other things prevents states from establishing their own Net Neutrality laws.

ISPs are trying to replace regulations that protect the consumer with regulations that protect themselves.  That's not a free market.

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2 hours ago, Boomstick said:

Free Market?  Major ISPs have proven they want to take away any and all choice when it comes to Internet access.  They've spent tens (hundreds?) of millions battling the FCC and FTC.  They've pushed through laws in multiple states that take away the ability for cities to establish municipal broadband, and are now behind a proposal in Congress called the "Open Internet Preservation Act" which among other things prevents states from establishing their own Net Neutrality laws.

ISPs are trying to replace regulations that protect the consumer with regulations that protect themselves.  That's not a free market.

So you're saying the free market is bad because of all the government intervention into the "free" market?  Doesn't sound like its very free at all.

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