EssSix

I'm Not an Axe Murderer.

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New to the community. Want to get involved. I want to set up an account over on P411 to let everyone know that I'm not a crazy person, but due to the sensitive nature of this hobby, I can't give out my personal details. And so, the Mexican stand off of "I have to verify my identity but I can't verify my identity without verifying my identity" starts. I just can't risk my personal info getting out there. 

Any suggestions on...er...building a reputable portfolio in this system?

(And yes, I know that "I'm not an axe murderer" is exactly the kind of thing an actual axe murderer would say. :P)

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😂😂😂 What a pickle.  

Find a provider with a solid reputation that is open to newbies and take the leap of faith.  

 

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You have to be willing to be honest and give what you can and hope for the best the safety of the ladies is the most important thing

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You really can't expect the women to risk their lives, because you are afraid to risk your (marriage, reputation, job, family, etc.).

You either give up some information, to help the women feel safe, or play somewhere else.

There are still street women, strip club girls, and a few web-based ladies (mostly on backpage) who don't require any personal information. You can try there.

This "hobby" isn't a necessity. Feel free to NOT play. No one will complain. Either way, I wish you good luck! :)

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Your need for anonymity is established.  It's your need, so I don't question it.  But for you, there are costs.  You're forced into a smaller opening.  May or may not work,  Depends upon how strong your need for anonymity is.  Additionally, you might want to think through a bit more as to whether this is a good fit given your risk profile. 

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I have to ask though.  The vast majority of the men here are willing to share enough personal information to make the providers feel safe.  There are doctors, lawyers, police, government officials, pastors, etc., who do so every day.  I have to wonder what special circumstance you experience that requires your need for anonymity.  

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Just find some newbie friendly ladies. Have some fun. Post a review. On the boards, people talk a 'perfect' game. Reality is different. Just keep calling ladies until you find the one that screens in a way you're comfortable with.

P411 won't give up your details, if you're worried about that. But if you don't wanna go that route, just follow the steps above. 

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8 minutes ago, FuriousWeasel said:

I have to ask though.  The vast majority of the men here are willing to share enough personal information to make the providers feel safe.  There are doctors, lawyers, police, government officials, pastors, etc., who do so every day.  I have to wonder what special circumstance you experience that requires your need for anonymity.  

Well he could be a famous person and doesn’t want to risk being accused of sexual harassment.....lol

To the new guy, welcome. There are ways to see girls, reputable, safe girls. You could always offer to show your ID with parts of it covered up w tape. 

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Lol Melissa, that's the route I had to take because I didn't know of these web sites.

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46 minutes ago, Melissa Sterling said:

Well he could be a famous person and doesn’t want to risk being accused of sexual harassment.....lol

To the new guy, welcome. There are ways to see girls, reputable, safe girls. You could always offer to show your ID with parts of it covered up w tape. 

Ah, the Al Franken excuse.... :D

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Thanks all, good advice. Certainly appreciate it. I also got some private messages from folks who commiserated with that newbie life. 

Hey, it's all new to me, and if people are comfortable with this 411 site...I just remember a few years ago when the whole Ashley Madison hack happened. I was still married at the time and had a good laugh at all the married men who had tons to answer for. 

Might just have to bite the proverbial bullet here. If that's the price of admission...I suppose it's more secure then my just wandering around Backpage and making random phone calls. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, EssSix said:

..I just remember a few years ago when the whole Ashley Madison hack happened. I was still married at the time and had a good laugh at all the married men who had tons to answer for. 

Let's put this in perspective.

Obviously, you were not effected by the AM hack. (1st degree)

Do you personally know anybody whose information was released during the AM hack?  (2nd degree)

Do any of your friends or acquaintances know anyone injured by the AM hack? (3rd degree)

I don't recall anyone here mentioning knowing anyone actually effected by the AM hack. (Please, correct me if I'm wrong.)

So, what are the odds that an off shore data breach will destroy your life?  Or do you play golf w/Lee Trevino?

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20 hours ago, EssSix said:

New to the community. Want to get involved. I want to set up an account over on P411 to let everyone know that I'm not a crazy person, but due to the sensitive nature of this hobby, I can't give out my personal details. And so, the Mexican stand off of "I have to verify my identity but I can't verify my identity without verifying my identity" starts. I just can't risk my personal info getting out there. 

Any suggestions on...er...building a reputable portfolio in this system?

(And yes, I know that "I'm not an axe murderer" is exactly the kind of thing an actual axe murderer would say. :P)

One word - P411.   Worked for me in a similar situation.   

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You all convinced me. I signed up for an account. Damn the torpedoes and all that. 

You're not wrong, Bit. Still...paranoia can be a MFer.

 

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I am not happy that I had to jump through six months of hoops and have so many reviews, and get a reference to be on P411, now anyone saying the are not an ax killer can get an account.. p411 no longer needs references.  I guess ladies we will still have to screen the hell out of our p411 client... I will now require them to have the same two references as all other clients.  I

I still think this guy needs a different hobby.  We are all at risk.  

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45 minutes ago, Raine-7379 said:

I am not happy that I had to jump through six months of hoops and have so many reviews, and get a reference to be on P411, now anyone saying the are not an ax killer can get an account.. p411 no longer needs references.  I guess ladies we will still have to screen the hell out of our p411 client... I will now require them to have the same two references as all other clients.  I

I still think this guy needs a different hobby.  We are all at risk.  

I'm not saying every guy on P411 is perfect.

There are two ways for a guy to get on P411. 

One is for the P411 people to do the screening.  My understanding is that they are pretty thorough.  No guarantees the guy is not a dick....but he will be a vetted dick.

The other way is the way I got on.....my private life was poked and prodded by not one but two providers....AND I had to prove I wasn't a dick.  The two ladies who vouched for me ended up being my first two oks. They are both retired now.

 

If you are concerned, I would ask the P411 people to explain their screening procedures to you.  IMHO, P411 is a very professional group of people.

 

Good luck

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2 hours ago, Raine-7379 said:

I am not happy that I had to jump through six months of hoops and have so many reviews, and get a reference to be on P411, now anyone saying the are not an ax killer can get an account.. p411 no longer needs references.  I guess ladies we will still have to screen the hell out of our p411 client... I will now require them to have the same two references as all other clients.  I

I still think this guy needs a different hobby.  We are all at risk.  

If this is the case then you're missing the most important aspect of clients having P411 accounts. It's my understanding that there are several ways to qualify for an account. In my case two(2) approved escorts vouched for me. But the record of my activity since then, as indicated by my OKay list, is what you need to inspect. These are my references; the only references I will provide you. Contact them if you like. 

Perhaps the second most valuable feature on P411 is my profile. Read it before our session, or even before you respond to my appointment request. It will tell you a fair amount about me, including some of my likes, dislikes, and appointment expectations. 

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1 hour ago, Yorick said:

I'm not saying every guy on P411 is perfect.

There are two ways for a guy to get on P411. 

One is for the P411 people to do the screening.  My understanding is that they are pretty thorough.  No guarantees the guy is not a dick....but he will be a vetted dick.

The other way is the way I got on.....my private life was poked and prodded by not one but two providers....AND I had to prove I wasn't a dick.  The two ladies who vouched for me ended up being my first two oks. They are both retired now.

 

If you are concerned, I would ask the P411 people to explain their screening procedures to you.  IMHO, P411 is a very professional group of people.

 

Good luck

I got an email from p411 that informed the providers that the gents would no longer need references to join.  That to me was the reason I used p411 without other verifications, that will no longer be the case.  What happens if the p411 ladies no longer need a two references to join?  Now, p411 is just saying you are not a felon, but not a good provider or client.  ... I will now only see gents with at least two okays... Not just on the site!!!!

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5 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

If this is the case then you're missing the most important aspect of clients having P411 accounts. It's my understanding that there are several ways to qualify for an account. In my case two(2) approved escorts vouched for me. But the record of my activity since then, as indicated by my OKay list, is what you need to inspect. These are my references; the only references I will provide you. Contact them if you like. 

Perhaps the second most valuable feature on P411 is my profile. Read it before our session, or even before you respond to my appointment request. It will tell you a fair amount about me, including some of my likes, dislikes, and appointment expectations. 

Are your going to trust that the ladies have been verified on here, and have references, or just a basic background check.  How does a background check prove you are a good provider??  P411 has changed the rules... 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

If this is the case then you're missing the most important aspect of clients having P411 accounts. It's my understanding that there are several ways to qualify for an account. In my case two(2) approved escorts vouched for me. But the record of my activity since then, as indicated by my OKay list, is what you need to inspect. These are my references; the only references I will provide you. Contact them if you like. 

Perhaps the second most valuable feature on P411 is my profile. Read it before our session, or even before you respond to my appointment request. It will tell you a fair amount about me, including some of my likes, dislikes, and appointment expectations. 

4 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

If this is the case then you're missing the most important aspect of clients having P411 accounts. It's my understanding that there are several ways to qualify for an account. In my case two(2) approved escorts vouched for me. But the record of my activity since then, as indicated by my OKay list, is what you need to inspect. These are my references; the only references I will provide you. Contact them if you like. 

Perhaps the second most valuable feature on P411 is my profile. Read it before our session, or even before you respond to my appointment request. It will tell you a fair amount about me, including some of my likes, dislikes, and appointment expectatio

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29 minutes ago, Raine-7379 said:

Are your going to trust that the ladies have been verified on here, and have references, or just a basic background check.  How does a background check prove you are a good provider??  P411 has changed the rules... 

 

 

Just as I had to have 2 OKays to join P411 (While not 500, I have many more.), I generally check that a YL has at least 2 client OKays (reviews) before I contact her. Just as you ladies have screening methods, so do clients. We tend to screen before the call, but sometimes get a negative vibe while setting things up that says, "Stop!"

I would point out that there is a difference between "I will now require them to have the same two references as all other clients." and "I will now only see gents with at least two okays."  Which do you intend to implement?

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2 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Just as I had to have 2 OKays to join P411 (While not 500, I have many more.), I generally check that a YL has at least 2 client OKays (reviews) before I contact her. Just as you ladies have screening methods, so do clients. We tend to screen before the call, but sometimes get a negative vibe while setting things up that says, "Stop!"

I would point out that there is a difference between "I will now require them to have the same two references as all other clients." and "I will now only see gents with at least two okays."  Which do you intend to implement?

As I have noted, P411 will no longer require the references to join.  A client will have to have two okays which equals two references to me. 

2 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Just as I had to have 2 OKays to join P411 (While not 500, I have many more.), I generally check that a YL has at least 2 client OKays (reviews) before I contact her. Just as you ladies have screening methods, so do clients. We tend to screen before the call, but sometimes get a negative vibe while setting things up that says, "Stop!"

I would point out that there is a difference between "I will now require them to have the same two references as all other clients." and "I will now only see gents with at least two okays."  Which do you intend

A client will need two references or two okays

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34 minutes ago, Raine-7379 said:

As I have noted, P411 will no longer require the references to join.  A client will have to have two okays which equals two references to me. 

It is as it always has been. if a client doesn't have the references you require you turn him down and he moves on to the next provider. he still gets to hobby and you get what you want. I can't see the problem. 

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59 minutes ago, boink36 said:

It is as it always has been. if a client doesn't have the references you require you turn him down and he moves on to the next provider. he still gets to hobby and you get what you want. I can't see the problem. 

The problem is p411 use to be a very reliable and quick way to screen a client.  That is no longer the case.  Being able to join without two references makes us have to call the client references taking a great deal of time.  I can see the gentleman on here are not understanding that p411 has changed the criteria to join, so it is no longer a useful and easy verification tool.  

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6 hours ago, Raine-7379 said:

...  p411 has changed the criteria to join, so it is no longer a useful and easy verification tool.  

Sure it is, as long as he has some OKays. If not, once you've checked his references you have the opportunity to make it easier for the next gal. I don't think the change is all that recent, either. But I don't really pay that much attention to the process for new members, being a life member for several years. 

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9 hours ago, Raine-7379 said:

The problem is p411 use to be a very reliable and quick way to screen a client.  That is no longer the case.  Being able to join without two references makes us have to call the client references taking a great deal of time.  I can see the gentleman on here are not understanding that p411 has changed the criteria to join, so it is no longer a useful and easy verification tool.  

Nothing has changed at P411 except the visibility. As others have mentioned, they screen pretty hard. I’ve been on P411 since it’s first day. Guys have either had to go through P411’s screening if they didn’t have references, or provide references. I clicked on the option to not be contacted by anyone without 2 or more references. P411 never claimed to be the first and only stop for screening it’s just one more tool in our toolbox. If you don’t trust it, then screen to your liking. 

I have never had a problem with a guy on P411. Ive heard of guys being a problem and they get removed quick. 

As to girls needing reviews and references. Gina and her staff have had more problems with girls being idiots than guys. So you have to jump through hoops. You’re on there now though. 

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I’m going to throw my white teddy on and take up for this gentleman.  I have shared several pm’s with him and he seems like a nice guy that’s trying to be safe and get options.

 

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22 minutes ago, Laci French said:

I’m going to throw my white teddy on and take up for this gentleman.  I have shared several pm’s with him and he seems like a nice guy that’s trying to be safe and get options.

 

And then You can send him to me😉. I will put a Black one on :) Lets get Him Status! 

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26 minutes ago, Laci French said:

I’m going to throw my white teddy on and take up for this gentleman.  I have shared several pm’s with him and he seems like a nice guy that’s trying to be safe and get options.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Chrissy said:

And then You can send him to me😉. I will put a Black one on :) Lets get Him Status! 

Teddys for Tolerance.  Well done Ladies!

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