Lucy Kitten

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A rate thread. Sorry not sorry.

What is up with all the cheap ass dudes? I get that life is expensive in CO but the money that clients are willing to pay these days is insulting. Given the cost of living in CO and the fact this is forever a luxury business I think rates need to go even higher. Personally I think having kind of done the math that no provider should be taking less than 200 per visit. 

I think one of two things needs to happen. I think all providers need to take a look at the economy around them and raise their rates or if rates continue to stagnate we need to lower expectations. Guys that travel and hobby in other areas know how good they have it here. This is a market that offers everything a guy can want at bargain basement prices. I know everyone hates the dreaded upsell but premium products should come at a premium price. 

Clients want a provider who is all dolled up in makeup, heels and lingerie but only wants to pay $150. Guys don't understand that all those expectations cost us money and that life is more expensive for us too. I feel like honestly that clients are purposefully fact that costs for providers have risen dramatically to protect the pathetically low rates in CO. Travel to either coast and you'll reputable providers at $300 an hour on the low end.

I'm sure I'll receive all sorts of snarky replies like my last thread but if clients are insistent on things like paying taxes then they are going to have to start paying their providers more. When providers calculate their rates they need to consider everything, living costs, healthcare costs, business costs, retirement investments and actually making a profit. This is when we need to remind ourselves this a luxury business. 

We can't survive in 2017 almost 2018 on 2010 wages. It's unrealistic. Providers hike your rates and clients please don't think of it as a cash grab. I think we should all think of it as a well deserved and long overdue cost of living raise. 

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Are you sitting down, Lucy?

I agree with you. Rates have not kept up with inflation. I realized this while reading a rates thread last spring and adjusted my 5 year old travel rates by about 20%.

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4 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Are you sitting down, Lucy?

I agree with you. Rates have not kept up with inflation. I realized this while reading a rates thread last spring and adjusted my 5 year old travel rates by about 20%.

LOL well more often than not I am pretty agreeable. It's a problem that I hope works itself out sooner rather than later. It's just unfortunately something providers kind of have to do collectively. 

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2 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

You're suggesting more or less price fixing. It's a violation of:

http://www.linfo.org/sherman.html

It's illegal :rolleyes:

So is all of this so what's your point? But the thing is we don't really create a monopoly. Lot's of goods and services have a market value why can't this? 

Poon in this economy should not cost less than $200. 

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16 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

You're suggesting more or less price fixing. It's a violation of:

http://www.linfo.org/sherman.html

It's illegal :rolleyes:

So was the drive of ECCIE in Austin a few years ago when the clients banded together to hold prices down. 

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Lucy, just raise your rates to what you feel your service is worth.

The gentlemen that feel your service is worth your increased rates will pay your rates.

 

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4 minutes ago, ilovewomen said:

Lucy, just raise your rates to what you feel your service is worth.

The gentlemen that feel your service is worth your increased rates will pay your rates.

 

That's not the point. But OK. Gentleman have no concept of what an acceptable rate is. 

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18 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

That's not the point. But OK. Gentleman have no concept of what an acceptable rate is. 

I gotta agree with this^^^ There are guys on Eccie, TNA, and even here, who think 30 minutes should go for less than a 100, and include GFE. Geez, just getting a plumber, to come look at a clogged drain, is double that! 

But hey, cheapskates will always be with us, and always dreaded by the women.  

Unfortunately,I think it happens in every service business! :angry:

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1 hour ago, Lucy Kitten said:

So is all of this so what's your point? But the thing is we don't really create a monopoly. Lot's of goods and services have a market value why can't this? 

Poon in this economy should not cost less than $200. 

Your last ad is available for less than 2 Franklins...what gives?

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5 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

Your last ad is available for less than 2 Franklins...what gives?

Gotta pay my bills. If you can't do anything but try and make this personal feel free to excuse yourself. 

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3 minutes ago, pfunk said:

I gotta agree with this^^^ There are guys on Eccie, TNA, and even here, who think 30 minutes should go for less than a 100, and include GFE. Geez, just getting a plumber, to come look at a clogged drain, is double that! 

But hey, cheapskates will always be with us, and always dreaded by the women.  

Unfortunately,I think it happens in every service business! :angry:

Then why aren't they plumbers rather than escorts? Perhaps the problem's on the business side. Folks don't wanna pay what she wants. Boo hoo. Everyone wants a raise. That ain't new. But blaming all men and calling them dumb? That 1960's sitcom 'all men are dumb' shtick can fuck right off. She wants 200 a pop? Cool. She should talk to who ever sets her rates about that. 

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6 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

Your last ad is available for less than 2 Franklins...what gives?

Why do you even care?

You’re not going to book with her and you've got your little stable that you pimp out in RL-I doubt your ladies would up the price on ya...

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1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

So was the drive of ECCIE in Austin a few years ago when the clients banded together to hold prices down. 

Gawd I remember that! I was there and It was pretty funny That it caused all the Good ones to Move  Away and Around the Triangle in record time! 

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2 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

A rate thread. Sorry not sorry.

What is up with all the cheap ass dudes? I get that life is expensive in CO but the money that clients are willing to pay these days is insulting. Given the cost of living in CO and the fact this is forever a luxury business I think rates need to go even higher. Personally I think having kind of done the math that no provider should be taking less than 200 per visit. 

I think one of two things needs to happen. I think all providers need to take a look at the economy around them and raise their rates or if rates continue to stagnate we need to lower expectations. Guys that travel and hobby in other areas know how good they have it here. This is a market that offers everything a guy can want at bargain basement prices. I know everyone hates the dreaded upsell but premium products should come at a premium price. 

Clients want a provider who is all dolled up in makeup, heels and lingerie but only wants to pay $150. Guys don't understand that all those expectations cost us money and that life is more expensive for us too. I feel like honestly that clients are purposefully fact that costs for providers have risen dramatically to protect the pathetically low rates in CO. Travel to either coast and you'll reputable providers at $300 an hour on the low end.

I'm sure I'll receive all sorts of snarky replies like my last thread but if clients are insistent on things like paying taxes then they are going to have to start paying their providers more. When providers calculate their rates they need to consider everything, living costs, healthcare costs, business costs, retirement investments and actually making a profit. This is when we need to remind ourselves this a luxury business. 

We can't survive in 2017 almost 2018 on 2010 wages. It's unrealistic. Providers hike your rates and clients please don't think of it as a cash grab. I think we should all think of it as a well deserved and long overdue cost of living raise. 

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Oops...I completely disagree until the holidays are over.  Happy Holidays!!😂😂

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25 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Gotta pay my bills. If you can't do anything but try and make this personal feel free to excuse yourself. 

I'll buy that...Het RUDOLPH...GO FUCK YOURSELF!

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2 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

I'll buy that...Het RUDOLPH...GO FUCK YOURSELF!

31 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

Your last ad is available for less than 2 Franklins...what gives?

Soooo, of course, you go even more asshole (with mispelling no less)...I guess you just enjoy making this lame attempt to hurt someone. (sarcasm font on) What a great guy! (sarcasm font off) :rolleyes:

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30 minutes ago, jj254 said:

Then why aren't they plumbers rather than escorts? Perhaps the problem's on the business side. Folks don't wanna pay what she wants. Boo hoo. Everyone wants a raise. That ain't new. But blaming all men and calling them dumb? That 1960's sitcom 'all men are dumb' shtick can fuck right off. She wants 200 a pop? Cool. She should talk to who ever sets her rates about that. 

I think you clearly showed us which side the problem is on, Mr Rude. So,  I say, feel free to fuck right off yourself! 

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35 minutes ago, jj254 said:

Then why aren't they plumbers rather than escorts? Perhaps the problem's on the business side. Folks don't wanna pay what she wants. Boo hoo. Everyone wants a raise. That ain't new. But blaming all men and calling them dumb? That 1960's sitcom 'all men are dumb' shtick can fuck right off. She wants 200 a pop? Cool. She should talk to who ever sets her rates about that. 

+1 But I think I have a FIX.

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14 minutes ago, pfunk said:

I think you clearly showed us which side the problem is on, Mr Rude. So,  I say, feel free to fuck right off yourself! 

Can't attack the message, then attack the messenger, right?

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Lol you know what's funny is that so many of you think you're clever, with your not obvious at all insults. The funniest thing is IT DOESN'T MATTER. You think my potential clients come here to see what FishinDude, Ilovewomen and jj254 have to say about Lucy? They don't. Y'all put too much stock in your hateful opinions. Dish it out I can take it. The way you congratulate each other for being mean to Lucy is sick. It says everything about what kind of hateful people you are and nothing about me. 

I don't know why you all consistently think I am dumb. Do you really think that I wasn't expecting the regular fucking peanut gallery with their lazy insults? Seriously the usual suspects around here really suck any fun and any intelligent conversation that could actually be had.

When business in Colorado really goes to shit because it's headed that way full steam you will have no one to thank but yourselves because it was more fun to shit all over the messenger than bother to contemplate the message. The glass house that is TOB will shatter cuz y'all throw stones like a mother fucker. 

 

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5 minutes ago, jj254 said:

Can't attack the message, then attack the messenger, right?

Why? And why use the word attack? You certainly felt the need to attack. 

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57 minutes ago, jj254 said:

Then why aren't they plumbers rather than escorts? Perhaps the problem's on the business side. Folks don't wanna pay what she wants. Boo hoo. Everyone wants a raise. That ain't new. But blaming all men and calling them dumb? That 1960's sitcom 'all men are dumb' shtick can fuck right off. She wants 200 a pop? Cool. She should talk to who ever sets her rates about that. 

She you mean me? What do you mean to imply about whoever sets my rates? Everything you've said here is baseless and vicious for the sake of it. I never complained that no one was wanting to pay my rates. I didn't blame all men and call them dumb. All men would include all the fine gentlemen that pay my asking price and more. All men would include all the wonderful men I've met traveling that have paid double my local rates. 

You either really just hate me or are defending the cheapness so which is it? 

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3 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Why? And why use the word attack? You certainly felt the need to attack. 

Who's responsible for your business? You want 200 a pop? Cool. Set your price at 200. You are literally the only person stopping you from doing that. You wanna push the 'all men are dumb' trope and still expect people to respect your calls for equality? You'd be the first to explode if someone generalized all women that way. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

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Just now, jj254 said:

Who's responsible for your business? You want 200 a pop? Cool. Set your price at 200. You are literally the only person stopping you from doing that. You wanna push the 'all men are dumb' trope and still expect people to respect your calls for equality? You'd be the first to explode if someone generalized all women that way. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

I didn't generalize men that way. You said the word dumb I didn't. I said clients don't have an idea of what a decent rate is and that's true. I wasn't complaining about just my rates either. I was pretty clear that Denver was cheaper compared to other markets and everyone should raise their rates to adjust to rising costs. 

So would you say Coke is literally the only one holding itself back from charging $200 a bottle? How ridiculous are you? There are about a million factors that go in to setting the right rate. I have to price myself competitively, I have to price myself for the market. Seriously what is wrong with you? 

What I am saying is that in a market where average rent is $1.5k homes are $500k, where advertising costs keep raising, where the cost of everything keeps raising we providers need to consider that when factoring our rates. 

I would imagine that you want your favorites to succeed right? Collectively raising rates is awesome for everyone. Again are you so clouded by your dislike of me that you would refuse to acknowledge that stagnated rates should go up on a luxury service? 

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1 hour ago, Lucy Kitten said:

That's not the point. But OK. Gentleman have no concept of what an acceptable rate is. 

I was trying to be supportive of you here.  You feel that rates are too low for you, so raise them.

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1 minute ago, ilovewomen said:

I was trying to be supportive of you here.  You feel that rates are too low for you, so raise them.

I don't just feel that my rates are too low. I feel like everyone's rates are too low. What used to be a thriving hot spot for the hobby is no longer. Life is expensive and for being a reputable board the rates here are drastically lower compared to similar boards. 

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1 minute ago, Lucy Kitten said:

I don't just feel that my rates are too low. I feel like everyone's rates are too low. What used to be a thriving hot spot for the hobby is no longer. Life is expensive and for being a reputable board the rates here are drastically lower compared to similar boards. 

There are ladies on here that are charging $300, $400, $500 per hour.  A couple used to even list themselves at $700.

Charge what you want.  If you want $200, then do it.  If you want $500, charge that.

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I agree Lucy! Back in 01 when I first came onto TOB there were 30 girls between Cos and Denver. All the girls hated me because my rates were so low @$$$ an hour. Then the recession hit and everyone lowered their rates so the guys could still see us. The rates never rebounded. It’s time they did. With the cost of living gone up so high it’s becoming harder and harder to make ends meet. Believe it or not, some girls are not making more than 2k a month, that’s not ok. 

The guys here have it too good. The guys who appreciate the lower rates say thank you, but this sense of entitlement has gotten out of hand. Just because we are providers doesn’t mean we should be treated like bottom feeders. I miss the days of making 5k a week, and that’s not seeing a ton of guys. We have to work harder now with extra screening yet we make much less. 

Now people want B.B. and $150 an hour. And I hear all the time, well other girls do it. Well I’m not other girls. And I’m pretty sure that while there might be a few that will do that, 99% don’t. 

While Lucy doesn’t always post things I agree with, this time I do! Lots of changes are coming this spring.

 

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