SultryKitten

Overnights, Your Opinion Please.

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Lately, I have been getting a lot of interest about having more than 4 hours up to 4 days of "time and companionship" and questions on how much. So I went perusing through other ladies websites, and what I feel is the average pricing...took out my handy dandy calculator and realized that the longer we spend with a client, we are way undercharging per hour to spend time and companionship with a client. Why?

If you figure that you are $300 per hour, but we cut a deal for for more than an hour it is usually $500 for two which is $250 per hour at that point. After 8 hours, I see it go significantly lower to about $100 an hour even as low as $40 an hour. If we state that we won't go less than an hourly rate, why do we then significantly drop it down much lower for many hours when it is much more work to spend extended time with someone and that is why we are getting paid? We say this is a luxury, but we are majorly discounting ourselves so we can bring in only a couple grand more when we can make that in less time with a couple of different clients.

I am not trying to be rude or discredit anyone...I am simply pointing out what I feel is a big business faux pas in us maximizing our work, and how we are affecting our money by shorting ourselves. Maybe I am wrong, and this is what clients will only pay(even to top shelf models/escorts), but my opinion is why would I go through the pain of sleeping next to someone, having them watch me get ready, dressed, deal with my grumpy butt in the morning because I am that way until I have had my coffee only to be paid $40-$100 per hour when I can do that in my own time, and then be sharp, dressed sexy, and horny for a few short hours and make just as much without all the other things that make me go UGH!

Thoughts? Should I maintain that too or ask for what I feel is fair due to me having to spend what I feel is a "true GFE"  with someone for an extended period.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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Pricing for most things usually go down in "bulk" so I guess the real question would be what is the best overall bang for the buck pricing.  You're right at a certain point it's no longer worth the discount, so it's just figuring out the pricing that's worth doing it for.  

Of course, you can still set the rules.  "I expect coffee... the good stuff, in a mug in my hands at 7am.  Until then no touchie..."

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Back in my consulting days (80-90s, apply inflation for current rates) the rates my company charged varied on the length of the contract. The hourly rate for up to a week's work was $250-300/hr. There were price breaks at 1, 3, 6, and 12 months. If you signed a 1 yr (2,000 hrs) contract, that rate dropped down to something like $60-75/hr.  Why? Reduced overhead. If you only contracted for a week's work, marketing was hustling for the next job, legal & accounting shuffled paperwork for a new client, and there was the likelihood of spending idle time on the bench. With a 1yr contract, the home office didn't get very involved until next year. Oh, there was still billing, payroll, and benefits, but those didn't really vary from one contract to the next. 

Escorts face similar issues. If I contract your services for a week or more, you're not scrambling to advertise, not stressing about answering every call, not spending time vetting the next client, and I'm not expecting you to be 'primped for the ball' 24/7.  Hell, some of my travel companions don't even share my bed at night (though most do).  We all talk about 'time & companionship', but we really understand otherwise.  A 4hr dinner date probably only includes one main event. And there are other compensating factors like a nice dinner, perhaps a show, or even a trip to an exotic location. Even a 2hr BCD date reduces your inter-date overhead activities. 

And the above doesn't even get into market pressures and what a client can afford. 

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I share a lot of the same questions. So question is: are Providers degrading oneself  by bringing the hourly donation (womans worth)  down to an exceptionally low cost, for an extended date? 

I think if a Provider does wish to go, she should ask for a donation she's comfortable with. Does it change if the client is annoying vs laid back, Provider choice. A list of boundaries during an extended encounter or trip is always good to have. Everyone needs alone time. I have no answer except to thine own self be true. 

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3 minutes ago, SydneyCoxxx said:

I share a lot of the same questions. So question is: are Providers degrading oneself  by bringing the hourly donation (womans worth)  down to an exceptionally low cost, for an extended date? 

 

Sydney, do NOT equate rates with self worth!  Rates should be based on the prevailing market for the services you provide. 

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I feel that it’s only right to discount my overnight rate because they have to listen to me snore 💤 

I do love overnighters, but they aren’t for everyone. 

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I can't do over nights also. I like how Bit said it our self worth is not about what our rates are. Samantha you make an excellent point about under charging. Maybe Ferious Weasel talking about buying time in bulk should equate to a bit of a break? Tough call to make and really something of value to consider. Thank you, you do have my head swimming with thoughts now too! Bulk price reduction what is fair and what is considered too much of a break? 

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1 hour ago, SultryKitten said:

Lately, I have been getting a lot of interest about having more than 4 hours up to 4 days of "time and companionship" and questions on how much. So I went perusing through other ladies websites, and what I feel is the average pricing...took out my handy dandy calculator and realized that the longer we spend with a client, we are way undercharging per hour to spend time and companionship with a client. Why?

If you figure that you are $300 per hour, but we cut a deal for for more than an hour it is usually $500 for two which is $250 per hour at that point. After 8 hours, I see it go significantly lower to about $100 an hour even as low as $40 an hour. If we state that we won't go less than an hourly rate, why do we then significantly drop it down much lower for many hours when it is much more work to spend extended time with someone and that is why we are getting paid? We say this is a luxury, but we are majorly discounting ourselves so we can bring in only a couple grand more when we can make that in less time with a couple of different clients.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

   Does it not beat waiting for the phone to ring ?      If a discount for that much extended time brings in that kind of client ,wouldn't it be better than expecting to do more clients....that may not show up ??   I can see one doing overnights on slow nights vs the weekend.

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I think ladies have the right to get as much as they possibly can for their time.  I don't know why someone would offer a lower rate if they were capable of getting a higher right.  The bulk discount is a valid point.  It's true that Rockies tickets are cheaper if you buy season tickets as opposed to buying tickets to individual games, but you sit in the same seat. Of course $100/hr to sleep is not bad money. ;)

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1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

Back in my consulting days (80-90s, apply inflation for current rates) the rates my company charged varied on the length of the contract. The hourly rate for up to a week's work was $250-300/hr. There were price breaks at 1, 3, 6, and 12 months. If you signed a 1 yr (2,000 hrs) contract, that rate dropped down to something like $60-75/hr.  Why? Reduced overhead. If you only contracted for a week's work, marketing was hustling for the next job, legal & accounting shuffled paperwork for a new client, and there was the likelihood of spending idle time on the bench. With a 1yr contract, the home office didn't get very involved until next year. Oh, there was still billing, payroll, and benefits, but those didn't really vary from one contract to the next. 

Escorts face similar issues. If I contract your services for a week or more, you're not scrambling to advertise, not stressing about answering every call, not spending time vetting the next client, and I'm not expecting you to be 'primped for the ball' 24/7.  Hell, some of my travel companions don't even share my bed at night (though most do).  We all talk about 'time & companionship', but we really understand otherwise.  A 4hr dinner date probably only includes one main event. And there are other compensating factors like a nice dinner, perhaps a show, or even a trip to an exotic location. Even a 2hr BCD date reduces your inter-date overhead activities. 

And the above doesn't even get into market pressures and what a client can afford. 

Hmmm, I didn't look at it this way and I see your point. You are right...a lot of it isn't in the bed, but I have heard the wonderful stories of ladies getting woke up by the morning wood more than once through the night. I have also noticed that a good portion of ladies don't state specifically what entails for those longer hours so maybe this a "YMMV based on the scenario and client" thing which brings me to another point. I don't charge as much for going out for a drink or dinner, but I know ladies that make it the same rate no matter...that it based strictly on "time and companionship. Should that play a part in how it is priced, or should it be set based on what you feel "time and companionship" is to you.

LOL Laci! I should charge less for my snoring...made me chuckle imagining my client's horror having to listen to my nightly musings. Yes Furious, I will be expecting a cup of joe from any client that expects to put up with me for that long...it IS all I ask for my time. ;-)

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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1 hour ago, SydneyCoxxx said:

I share a lot of the same questions. So question is: are Providers degrading oneself  by bringing the hourly donation (womans worth)  down to an exceptionally low cost, for an extended date? 

I think if a Provider does wish to go, she should ask for a donation she's comfortable with. Does it change if the client is annoying vs laid back, Provider choice. A list of boundaries during an extended encounter or trip is always good to have. Everyone needs alone time. I have no answer except to thine own self be true. 

To me, I don't see it as a woman's worth, but about business. What do I tend to make and if I am taking X hours to see someone, what will it cost me to step away from my normal appts to do X hours with said client, and how do I cover that cost.

I know what my worth is, but how much is my time? This is my job, and so I don't want to lose money by being focused on my worth or being nice to the customer...it is what do I tend to make if I would be working regular hours, and will I be making a profit.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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1 hour ago, SydneyCoxxx said:

I share a lot of the same questions. So question is: are Providers degrading oneself  by bringing the hourly donation (womans worth)  down to an exceptionally low cost, for an extended date? 

I think if a Provider does wish to go, she should ask for a donation she's comfortable with. Does it change if the client is annoying vs laid back, Provider choice. A list of boundaries during an extended encounter or trip is always good to have. Everyone needs alone time. I have no answer except to thine own self be true. 

This may be innocent thinking. But if it is someone you have spent time with previousyl, and enjoyed,  maybe, in spite of a lower rate, and I agree that rate does not reflect your worth as a person, but the market rate, it could be enjoyable as a mixture of "work" and pleasure. In other words mix of work and vacation.

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2 hours ago, SultryKitten said:

Lately, I have been getting a lot of interest about having more than 4 hours up to 4 days of "time and companionship" and questions on how much. So I went perusing through other ladies websites, and what I feel is the average pricing...took out my handy dandy calculator and realized that the longer we spend with a client, we are way undercharging per hour to spend time and companionship with a client. Why?

If you figure that you are $300 per hour, but we cut a deal for for more than an hour it is usually $500 for two which is $250 per hour at that point. After 8 hours, I see it go significantly lower to about $100 an hour even as low as $40 an hour. If we state that we won't go less than an hourly rate, why do we then significantly drop it down much lower for many hours when it is much more work to spend extended time with someone and that is why we are getting paid? We say this is a luxury, but we are majorly discounting ourselves so we can bring in only a couple grand more when we can make that in less time with a couple of different clients.

I am not trying to be rude or discredit anyone...I am simply pointing out what I feel is a big business faux pas in us maximizing our work, and how we are affecting our money by shorting ourselves. Maybe I am wrong, and this is what clients will only pay(even to top shelf models/escorts), but my opinion is why would I go through the pain of sleeping next to someone, having them watch me get ready, dressed, deal with my grumpy butt in the morning because I am that way until I have had my coffee only to be paid $40-$100 per hour when I can do that in my own time, and then be sharp, dressed sexy, and horny for a few short hours and make just as much without all the other things that make me go UGH!

Thoughts? Should I maintain that too or ask for what I feel is fair due to me having to spend what I feel is a "true GFE"  with someone for an extended period.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

First - could I please have contact info for whomever is offering $40/hr for 8 hours or more?  Must have missed that one!!! Not counting cash and dash options on BP B)

The cheapest I saw in very quick perusal of ads was 1500 for "overnight".  So that is the equivalent of 5 to 8 one hour appointments at 250 to 300 per hour.  So assuming you limit overnights to guys you have met and click with (I certainly would!!) would you rather spend 8 to 10 hours with one guy you get along with, or screen 5 to 8 guys, take 5 to 8 showers, get all dolled up 5 to 8 times, run the risk of screening 5 to 8 guys who may no show you, be pounded by 5 to 8 guys trying to pack max value into their hour (or half!) etc., etc. sure seems to me that the overnight makes tons of sense.  But far be it from me to tell any lady how to run her business or price her services.  I can tell you that a ten hour overnight at full 300/hour is never going to happen for me because that would wipe out 3 to 4 months available budget in one night.  Yes, I know ....... for some here that is chump change.  But for many it certainly is not.  And HOPEFULLY the overall difference in the experience of one night with a known, good client and 5 to 8 separate encounters with random and unknown clients is a very good and desirable difference.  But what do I know ........ just a horny lil ole owl - who has never worked as escort!!

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38 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

Hmmm, I didn't look at it this way and I see your point. You are right...a lot of it isn't in the bed, but I have heard the wonderful stories of ladies getting woke up by the morning wood more than once through the night. I have also noticed that a good portion of ladies don't state specifically what entails for those longer hours so maybe this a "YMMV based on the scenario and client" thing which brings me to another point. I don't charge as much for going out for a drink or dinner, but I know ladies that make it the same rate no matter...that it based strictly on "time and companionship. Should that play a part in how it is priced, or should it be set based on what you feel "time and companionship" is to you.

LOL Laci! I should charge less for my snoring...made me chuckle imagining my client's horror having to listen to my nightly musings. Yes Furious, I will be expecting a cup of joe from any client that expects to put up with me for that long...it IS all I ask for my time. ;-)

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

I think it really needs to have the rules set up ahead of time though.  I'd hate to think you'd get some guy who practices with a death grip twice a day try to go a full 8 hours of plowing away till there's nothing left but an imprint in the mattress.  

I'd actually feel better myself when I read the guidelines saying things like there will be X numbers of hours of sleep, meal expectations, all that.  There's some really good examples of the rules I've seen done.

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The bulk discount is how ladies who want longer sessions get them. It's not really selling yourself short either. You only have to screen and prepare for one client, In one shot you're making more money that you likely would in a couple of days. If you're able to make 1500 a day kudos to you but that's not the reality for most. 

I wouldn't compare the rates for longer sessions. You need to calculate on your own what you need to make for that time. What do you need to charge to make it profitable for you. Some overhead is higher than others. The ease and ability to do extended dates varies affecting the price.

Just on your own do the math. How much money do you need to charge to make longer sessions both profitable and enticing. Also a lot of what you see in provider pricing structures is to help marketing. I see lots of ladies charge $400 an hour but $1000 for four. To the brain that's a great discount. If you can get the right marketing angle and appeal to the right clients you can do 4-5 four hour sessions a week and make great money. 

I believe that there should be a floor in which we do not dip below when it comes to hourly rates but I really believe that you decide what price point works best to get the money that you want/need. 

 

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If I may be pardoned for interrupting your rather mercantile rate thread for just a moment:

I cannot actually escape the real world long enough to do an overnight, but if I could, I would have so loved the intimacy that comes with sleeping together with my ATATF, the cuddles, the noises, the wakening, I would have paid any amount, any amount.

If I am ever lucky enough to meet another provider with whom I share similar affection, I would truly love to try an overnight.  On the other hand, it seems to me that the feeling needs to be mutual for the provider to want to entertain all night.  In other words, it's not for everybody, and it's not for every combination.

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4 hours ago, Laci French said:

I feel that it’s only right to discount my overnight rate because they have to listen to me snore 💤 

I do love overnighters, but they aren’t for everyone. 

Listening to you snore is music to my ears and soothing to my soul😁😁

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I charge an hourly rate for the work I do. I will discount for 4 hours or more. However, even an 8 hour job is only discounted by 15% over 8 one hour jobs.

If I worked as a male escort (dreaming), I probably wouldn't discount more than 20% for multiple hours, and I sure ain't sleepin' in the same bed, ha!

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1 hour ago, pfunk said:

I charge an hourly rate for the work I do. I will discount for 4 hours or more. However, even an 8 hour job is only discounted by 15% over 8 one hour jobs.

If I worked as a male escort (dreaming), I probably wouldn't discount more than 20% for multiple hours, and I sure ain't sleepin' in the same bed, ha!

But ...................... who is really going to pay her for an overnight in the other room???  What do I miss?  Same bed is the point.  I think.  Otherwise just give me several one hour visits :)

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8 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

But ...................... who is really going to pay her for an overnight in the other room???  What do I miss?  Same bed is the point.  I think.  Otherwise just give me several one hour visits :)

I hate sleeping in the same bed with someone else. (I snore, and move a lot, and wake up easily). If I ever did an overnight, i wouldn't want to sleep in the same bed. I'm there for the fun, not the sleeping!

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57 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

But ...................... who is really going to pay her for an overnight in the other room???  What do I miss?  Same bed is the point.  I think.  Otherwise just give me several one hour visits :)

The point is the other 15hrs in the day when you're driving through the countryside, strolling through a museum, hiking in the mountains, or sharing a meal. This is where the confluence of escort & companionship rings true. 

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I'd prefer a "spend the day with me" option... meet for breakfast, go somewhere, do stuff, go back to the room for a bit, do something else, fun lunch, etc.

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14 hours ago, pfunk said:

I hate sleeping in the same bed with someone else. (I snore, and move a lot, and wake up easily). If I ever did an overnight, i wouldn't want to sleep in the same bed. I'm there for the fun, not the sleeping!

I am the same way, Pfunk, I am not real crazy about sleeping with someone else. For one, I hear I can be unfriendly if bothered and yes, I like to be in my zone when it is time to sleep. I also need at least 6 hour or I am a bitch. LOL! It could work if someone understands that I am that way, and let me do my sleep thing. I would only do overnights with guys I enjoy outside of bed as well. I made the mistake of going on a weekend excursion with a dude that while I tolerated him in the sack, I found him to be annoying out of it and it ended up being a LONG weekend plus we never saw each other again. We just didn't click, and nothing is worse than spending extended time with someone you have very little in common with. I don't care if it is good money...I want to enjoy everything about the time together. At the same time, I don't want  to be nice and short myself because I think that is what they will only pay when it could be more. I also don't want to be unreasonable about the price either.

The ladies that I know see guys for overnights real cheap don't publicly advertise the rate, and it is not my place to divulge the providers that do that so you are on your own Gr8owl. :-) Good luck finding them though. Also, when I did look at some provider's rates for like 3 days excursion or more, if you break them down hourly...it is pretty low.

Thank you, everyone, for your input.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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This is just another rate thread...like the other one that is currently running.

Is it just a coincidence that TOB has 2 rate threads running at the same time? 

I think not.

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3 hours ago, SultryKitten said:

 

The ladies that I know see guys for overnights real cheap don't publicly advertise the rate, and it is not my place to divulge the providers that do that so you are on your own Gr8owl. :-) Good luck finding them though. Also, when I did look at some provider's rates for like 3 days excursion or more, if you break them down hourly...it is pretty low.

 

Samantha, I hope you recognized the sarcasm font on that part of my post.  What?  I did not pay subscription fee again so it didn't show?? Dammit!  

For my part (no special fonts involved), I can't imagine a rate that low, nor actually would I be interested to be honest.  If the lady has that low an opinion of the value of her time, why would I want some - let alone a whole night's worth??  As far as over nights perhaps I am weird, but I would only want one with a lady I knew very well and that I enjoy every minute of time with, not just the "main event".  Right now there is only a very small number that it sounds good with and I am afraid it could be too good and make maintaining boundaries too hard.  But damn it sounds good!  But only with .................  

The real question is how much is being stuck with a guy (client guy) a whole night while missing whatever she would have been doing worth to the lady, and that is going to vary greatly depending upon circumstances and needs.  But the rate you mention - just sounds sad to me.  But I get odd looks these parts at times.

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13 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

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The real question is how much is being stuck with a guy (client guy) a whole night while missing whatever she would have been doing worth to the lady, and that is going to vary greatly depending upon circumstances and needs.  But the rate you mention - just sounds sad to me.  But I get odd looks these parts at times.

For the TLDR crowd: There are other factors to consider.

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Don't forget to factor in what it's worth for her to:

  • Spend an evening at the opera
  • Dine at Delmonico's in NOLA
  • Visit the sites in Williamsburg, VA & the museums in DC
  • Hike the Chisos Basin & then lounge in a natural hot spring on the banks of the Rio Grande
  • Stroll Duval St in Key West, complete w/drag queen show. 
  • Explore the below decks of a WWII battleship or carrier

These are but a few of the adventures I've shared shared with friends. 

Yes, there's that operative word, "friends". Each of my travel companions are ladies I've known for years. We've spent (& enjoyed) non-BCD time with each other prior to my inviting them to travel with me.  I ensure that their financial needs are met while they spend time with me, and a little profit besides. Naturally all expenses during our time together are covered.  But I don't expect them to 'make bank' by charging their normal billing rate for 24/7; nor do I expect them to be 'on the clock' 24/7. We both need private time daily. It works for some special ladies, not others. Some have scheduling conflicts (ex: school). In at least one instance, a YL was willing but being on an extended engagement would have caused some extrordinary expenses which were outside of my budget. Hopefully either her circumstances or my budget will change for a future opportunity. 

BTW, I include a signed agreement detailing our respective responsibilities. This heads off most of the misunderstandings. 

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1 hour ago, gr8owl said:

Samantha, I hope you recognized the sarcasm font on that part of my post.  What?  I did not pay subscription fee again so it didn't show?? Dammit!  

For my part (no special fonts involved), I can't imagine a rate that low, nor actually would I be interested to be honest.  If the lady has that low an opinion of the value of her time, why would I want some - let alone a whole night's worth??  As far as over nights perhaps I am weird, but I would only want one with a lady I knew very well and that I enjoy every minute of time with, not just the "main event".  Right now there is only a very small number that it sounds good with and I am afraid it could be too good and make maintaining boundaries too hard.  But damn it sounds good!  But only with .................  

The real question is how much is being stuck with a guy (client guy) a whole night while missing whatever she would have been doing worth to the lady, and that is going to vary greatly depending upon circumstances and needs.  But the rate you mention - just sounds sad to me.  But I get odd looks these parts at times.

Well, dangit! I didn't get the memo Gr8owl! 😉 I am coming to the conclusion that this is varied depending on many things.

Xoxo,

 

Samantha Sheppard

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As someone new, I would say you should not have a set price on anything extended. Rather case by case seems a better option to me. I would also agree that ground rules (yes time for uninterrupted sleep) would have to be discussed for sure. An in-depth discussion with the client needs to take place before you ladies should accept that kind of invitation. I also liked the advice of make sure it is someone you really enjoy spending time with. You have had offers it seems and I would guess some were tempting for you to come to the forums for advice. Figure out a price for YOU that works regardless of the per hour approach may be best. Just my 2cents

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I think I will TOFTT here and say what nobody else is stupid enough to say. As a happily single man, I have ZERO interest in paying a lady to sleep in my bed  with me. While an overnight "might" be of interest to me, I would be a nightmare client.  I want to get down...get nasty...have drinks...stay up....get it on, til the break of dawn. Sleep? Not likely. I'm thinking that if a girl knew THAT going in, it would be a different rate than an overnight with 6-8 hours of sleepage...snoring and "the jimmy-legs" notwithstanding. Don't get me wrong...even though I pay, the dough, ray, mi, I try to make my playmate have a leg shaking good time...HOWEVER...I'm not a moron. Although I am a better looking 55+ than most my age,  the ladies I would book would still NEVER waste time on me without a fee. Overnights? Great idea for guys with enough money that money is irrelevant. Great for the lady...( unless the guy is an all night party and grinder like me). However, for the most part, it is likely non-optimal. Moderately interesting to imagine though.

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