Ile Haversnatch

What do Weiner and texting apps have in common?

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Drum roll, please...many providers use both :lol:

And both illustrate the need for discretion. I'm in a quandary because, where many if not most providers use texting apps and rarely bypass the pseudonym, which is fine and I totally get, there's little to no love for hobbyists that do. It's soooo sad and anyone who uses their cell phone for business or work and has had the WTF!!! moment of Googling it to find information down to their address knows just how scary too. I've never gotten similar results after (religiously) Googling a provider's number to find Betsy Johnson AKA Sugar Tits, Fortune 500 CEO. Sorry, Betsy. I don't know you like that.

Can you imagine?

So why would anyone, especially in this hobby, expect that of prospective fans?  As mentioned, I get the purpose and that professionals have better things to do than track down the wife, except for when the hobbyist wins the Senate or Powerball, that is. Yes, I'm thinking a-head :rolleyes:. And, doesn't it negatively impact proclivities? Wouldn't you (and we) do better to implement reasonable screening procedures and by that I don't mean pictures either, with some asking for hobbyists to be more like Weiner, but by being careful to avoid incriminating language and the like? Use standard, two call process to let the feeling flow, like Peabo?

Or am I just being selfish?

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On 10/27/2017 at 11:43 AM, Ile Haversnatch said:

Or am I just being selfish?

If you want providers to make it easier for you to play, yes, you are. 

They offer a service; they get to set the terms, under which they will work. Anyone who runs a small business decides their terms of service. If you don't like it, try another business. There are many women who don't care if you use a hobby phone, or text app. See them.

This is the whole reason Gina started P411. Most guys want anonymity, and most women want to feel safe.

 

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On 10/27/2017 at 11:43 AM, Ile Haversnatch said:

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Drum roll, please...many providers use both :lol:

And both illustrate the need for discretion. I'm in a quandary because, where many if not most providers use texting apps and rarely bypass the pseudonym, which is fine and I totally get, there's little to no love for hobbyists that do. It's soooo sad and anyone who uses their cell phone for business or work and has had the WTF!!! moment of Googling it to find information down to their address knows just how scary too. I've never gotten similar results after (religiously) Googling a provider's number to find Betsy Johnson AKA Sugar Tits, Fortune 500 CEO. Sorry, Betsy. I don't know you like that.

Can you imagine?

So why would anyone, especially in this hobby, expect that of prospective fans?  As mentioned, I get the purpose and that professionals have better things to do than track down the wife, except for when the hobbyist wins the Senate or Powerball, that is. Yes, I'm thinking a-head :rolleyes:. And, doesn't it negatively impact proclivities? Wouldn't you (and we) do better to implement reasonable screening procedures and by that I don't mean pictures either, with some asking for hobbyists to be more like Weiner, but by being careful to avoid incriminating language and the like? Use standard, two call process to let the feeling flow, like Peabo?

Or am I just being selfish?

Yes, you could be being selfish.

My opinion probably will not be popular with the guys, but that's ok. If I am a nervous wreck seeing someone who seems like they are hiding something, we won't have a good time. If you are a nervous wreck that I am going to call your wife/job etc, we won't have a good time. 

While it's not a given that a provider having real world information alleviates anything bad happening to her, I can personally attest to the fact that it cuts down on 95% of the bullshit. ILOVEPUSSY calling me from a VOIP number with no references, is not going to be invited over to my personal space. However ILOVEPUSSY who's name is Jim/John/Steve etc, calling from a VOIP number, and has good established references that I trust,(not 19 year old Sweetcakes with no website who passed through town), has a good chance of being given an invite. 

A hobbyist on another site said it best, a hobbyist losing his job or marriage is nothing like an escort losing her life. Bottom line is neither of us should do anything that we are not comfortable doing. Yes clients have been outed. It sucks. I'm sorry it happened. If you pay attention to a ladies board persona, you should be able to tell who is drama filled and irrational. If you pay attention, you can also tell which ladies give references versus which ones don't . Having good solid references can sometimes help you to retain some of your anonymity. And for what it's worth, I have been held down and raped. I have been ripped off by a regular client. So has another lady that I know very well. We both had these gentlemen's real world info. Did we out them? No, we did not want to ruin their children's or wives lives. I can't say all providers would act the same. I can say that we assume a hell of a lot more risk than you do. If you would like to implement "reasonable screening", please feel free to do that as soon as you become an escort.

Since there are 2 ladies that I know of on the board who have openly shared that they don't ask for personal information in their screening, it sounds like you are being a big baby about not wanting to provide the information to see a certain lady. There are also ladies that don't screen at all on incalls as they doubt that LE will do an incall sting. So, there are ladies who will see you without having your real number. 

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Thank you for sharing your perspective, Audrey.

I appreciate your pertinent comparisons and sobering observations. I'm sorry you experienced some very invasive, frightening, and tragic client interactions. Yes, you do assume a lot of risks in offering your services.

That said, thank you for leaning on the side of protecting client real world information for the sake of children and significant other lives despite client offenses. That is real integrity and sacrifice in the face of adversity. I hope your protective screenings, which I'm sure you adjust and improve upon as time goes on, will really go a long ways to protecting you now and in the future.

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2 hours ago, Audrey Astor said:

Yes, you could be being selfish.

My opinion probably will not be popular with the guys, but that's ok. If I am a nervous wreck seeing someone who seems like they are hiding something, we won't have a good time. If you are a nervous wreck that I am going to call your wife/job etc, we won't have a good time. 

While it's not a given that a provider having real world information alleviates anything bad happening to her, I can personally attest to the fact that it cuts down on 95% of the bullshit. ILOVEPUSSY calling me from a VOIP number with no references, is not going to be invited over to my personal space. However ILOVEPUSSY who's name is Jim/John/Steve etc, calling from a VOIP number, and has good established references that I trust,(not 19 year old Sweetcakes with no website who passed through town), has a good chance of being given an invite. 

A hobbyist on another site said it best, a hobbyist losing his job or marriage is nothing like an escort losing her life. Bottom line is neither of us should do anything that we are not comfortable doing. Yes clients have been outed. It sucks. I'm sorry it happened. If you pay attention to a ladies board persona, you should be able to tell who is drama filled and irrational. If you pay attention, you can also tell which ladies give references versus which ones don't . Having good solid references can sometimes help you to retain some of your anonymity. And for what it's worth, I have been held down and raped. I have been ripped off by a regular client. So has another lady that I know very well. We both had these gentlemen's real world info. Did we out them? No, we did not want to ruin their children's or wives lives. I can't say all providers would act the same. I can say that we assume a hell of a lot more risk than you do. If you would like to implement "reasonable screening", please feel free to do that as soon as you become an escort.

Since there are 2 ladies that I know of on the board who have openly shared that they don't ask for personal information in their screening, it sounds like you are being a big baby about not wanting to provide the information to see a certain lady. There are also ladies that don't screen at all on incalls as they doubt that LE will do an incall sting. So, there are ladies who will see you without having your real number. 

I use an ap. With a fake name. I've got references too. Won't give out my real info. Or a face pic. Some girls are cool with that. I play with them. Some aren't. I don't bother them. Too many dudes and ladies here for us to focus on something that makes us incompatible. Got no problem with ladies that want real world info to screen. I just won't participate. Too many dudes can't move on and give us all a bad name. 

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21 hours ago, Audrey Astor said:

Yes, you could be being selfish.

My opinion probably will not be popular with the guys, but that's ok. If I am a nervous wreck seeing someone who seems like they are hiding something, we won't have a good time. If you are a nervous wreck that I am going to call your wife/job etc, we won't have a good time. 

While it's not a given that a provider having real world information alleviates anything bad happening to her, I can personally attest to the fact that it cuts down on 95% of the bullshit. ILOVEPUSSY calling me from a VOIP number with no references, is not going to be invited over to my personal space. However ILOVEPUSSY who's name is Jim/John/Steve etc, calling from a VOIP number, and has good established references that I trust,(not 19 year old Sweetcakes with no website who passed through town), has a good chance of being given an invite. 

A hobbyist on another site said it best, a hobbyist losing his job or marriage is nothing like an escort losing her life. Bottom line is neither of us should do anything that we are not comfortable doing. Yes clients have been outed. It sucks. I'm sorry it happened. If you pay attention to a ladies board persona, you should be able to tell who is drama filled and irrational. If you pay attention, you can also tell which ladies give references versus which ones don't . Having good solid references can sometimes help you to retain some of your anonymity. And for what it's worth, I have been held down and raped. I have been ripped off by a regular client. So has another lady that I know very well. We both had these gentlemen's real world info. Did we out them? No, we did not want to ruin their children's or wives lives. I can't say all providers would act the same. I can say that we assume a hell of a lot more risk than you do. If you would like to implement "reasonable screening", please feel free to do that as soon as you become an escort.

Since there are 2 ladies that I know of on the board who have openly shared that they don't ask for personal information in their screening, it sounds like you are being a big baby about not wanting to provide the information to see a certain lady. There are also ladies that don't screen at all on incalls as they doubt that LE will do an incall sting. So, there are ladies who will see you without having your real number. 

Thanks Audrey. Everything you say makes sense. And I'm sorry you've been violated. I'll pass on being an escort as I'd only go broke. And you are gorgeous, btw. Stay safe. 

Thanks to all for your input. It's helped me realize it is what it is.

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On 11/8/2017 at 11:36 PM, sweetmoment said:

Thank you for sharing your perspective, Audrey.

I appreciate your pertinent comparisons and sobering observations. I'm sorry you experienced some very invasive, frightening, and tragic client interactions. Yes, you do assume a lot of risks in offering your services.

That said, thank you for leaning on the side of protecting client real world information for the sake of children and significant other lives despite client offenses. That is real integrity and sacrifice in the face of adversity. I hope your protective screenings, which I'm sure you adjust and improve upon as time goes on, will really go a long ways to protecting you now and in the future.

Audrey, I wanted to edit my above comment just as I noticed other members are capable of editing their comments given their "Edited by..." notification under their edited comments. Unfortunately for me, however, I do not see this option. So, maybe the powers that be did not grant me this privilege, for some reason.

That said, I wanted to type after I said, "That is real integrity and sacrifice in the face of adversity." by inserting  "As you alluded in your comments, not all providers have this power or will."

Thank you again for your integrity and grace. May you have heal from past broken experiences and have protection and safety going forward.

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4 hours ago, sweetmoment said:

Audrey, I wanted to edit my above comment just as I noticed other members are capable of editing their comments given their "Edited by..." notification under their edited comments. Unfortunately for me, however, I do not see this option. So, maybe the powers that be did not grant me this privilege, for some reason. .. 

You should have a limited timeframe (I think 10 minutes) in which to edit your posts. Look for Edit down near the Quote field. 

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OK. Thank you, Bit Banger.

I'll keep that 10-minute edit time frame in mind after I first submit a comment.

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