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The only problem I see with this is how other websites like google will react.

I am tired of people blaming someone else for bad things. It is the pimps and other sickos that are doing this...no one else! If BP goes away, they will just disappear in the dark net which makes it even harder to catch them and the even bigger problem is the Johns eager to see these young victims. People are just effing sick! I am not saying it is okay, it is just the reality of the situation. BP is not like other adult boards, they are a board that is public, and make it easy to advertise which is why they are doing so well yet getting the large numbers of trafficking unlike other adult boards.

I think we need to focus more on stiffening the sentence for child pornography, rape, sex trafficking, molestation, etc. When these get life sentences like murder, and other severe crimes...the sickos won't get out and wreak havoc on our young ones. Porn and other Hollywood films need to quit glamorizing these things too...they are not okay, period!

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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38 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

The only problem I see with this is how other websites like google will react.

I am tired of people blaming someone else for bad things. It is the pimps and other sickos that are doing this...no one else! If BP goes away, they will just disappear in the dark net which makes it even harder to catch them and the even bigger problem is the Johns eager to see these young victims. People are just effing sick! I am not saying it is okay, it is just the reality of the situation. BP is not like other adult boards, they are a board that is public, and make it easy to advertise which is why they are doing so well yet getting the large numbers of trafficking unlike other adult boards.

I think we need to focus more on stiffening the sentence for child pornography, rape, sex trafficking, molestation, etc. When these get life sentences like murder, and other severe crimes...the sickos won't get out and wreak havoc on our young ones. Porn and other Hollywood films need to quit glamorizing these things too...they are not okay, period!

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

   Sam... the legit porn companies frown on underage porn. All talent must have proper government issued ID on set. 

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49 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

The only problem I see with this is how other websites like google will react.

I am tired of people blaming someone else for bad things. It is the pimps and other sickos that are doing this...no one else! If BP goes away, they will just disappear in the dark net which makes it even harder to catch them and the even bigger problem is the Johns eager to see these young victims. People are just effing sick! I am not saying it is okay, it is just the reality of the situation. BP is not like other adult boards, they are a board that is public, and make it easy to advertise which is why they are doing so well yet getting the large numbers of trafficking unlike other adult boards.

I think we need to focus more on stiffening the sentence for child pornography, rape, sex trafficking, molestation, etc. When these get life sentences like murder, and other severe crimes...the sickos won't get out and wreak havoc on our young ones. Porn and other Hollywood films need to quit glamorizing these things too...they are not okay, period!

xoxo,

Samantha Sheepard

 

http://www.cbs8.com/story/12443091/california-law-mandates-chemical-castration-of-certain-offenders

Chemical castration I saw this on Facebook second offense rape. 

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1 hour ago, SultryKitten said:

I think we need to focus more on stiffening the sentence for child pornography, rape, sex trafficking, molestation, etc. [...] . Porn and other Hollywood films need to quit glamorizing these things too...they are not okay, period!

 

46 minutes ago, JRWolfe said:

   Sam... the legit porn companies frown on underage porn. All talent must have proper government issued ID on set. 

Her issue, I believe, is with legal/legit porn having plots around "hot high schooler does teacher", "does daddy's best friend". Kidnap/rape porn.

That said, she is heading into Moral Majority/Ed Meese territory, imo. Specious logic that A causes B. Eg. 9 of 10 criminals had breakfast the day they committed their offense, ergo, breakfast promotes crime and needs to be banned. Yes, there are people out there that cannot separate film fantasy vs reality and some of these porn "fetishes" are disturbing, but we are now moving toward censorship territory, which is equally disturbing.

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Four points:

1) They claim they have narrowed the focus of proposed legislation to trafficking. But if you read the federal statutes, all sex for hire is considered coerced & trafficked, even among adults. Independent providers are coerced by economic circumstances. 

2) When all the underage & pimped providers have been scooped up or driven under ground, vice will need something to justify their existence. They'll move on to what's left of the sex trade. 

3) If LE, with their vast resources, can't separate the independent adults from other advertisers, why do they think BP or any other webmaster has better odds of solving that problem? LE is trying to privatize the issue by pushing enforcement onto Internet publishers. 

4) These new laws would allow LE to cast a wider net looking for underage & trafficked providers. But the end result for us is, "Oh, you got caught by mistake. You weren't the target of our operation. Too bad, so sad, but what you're doing is still illegal. You going to jail anyway."

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1 hour ago, JRWolfe said:

   Sam... the legit porn companies frown on underage porn. All talent must have proper government issued ID on set. 

If you go onto xnxx, which is a porn site(and just one of many)...there is lots of violent sex scenes and other scenes that depict taboo scenarios. While they are acted out by legal means, they depict things that we consider against the law. THAT is what I am talking about. You can't tell me that underage kids are not watching those when they are free and easily accessible, and then thinking that that is okay. I can't count how many people have contacted me wanting me to reenact certain scenarios or want things a certain way because they saw it in porn videos that I turn down. This societal thinking doesn't help with us trying to curb these kinds of things.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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58 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Four points:

1) They claim they have narrowed the focus of proposed legislation to trafficking. But if you read the federal statutes, all sex for hire is considered coerced & trafficked, even among adults. Independent providers are coerced by economic circumstances. 

2) When all the underage & pimped providers have been scooped up or driven under ground, vice will need something to justify their existence. They'll move on to what's left of the sex trade. 

3) If LE, with their vast resources, can't separate the independent adults from other advertisers, why do they think BP or any other webmaster has better odds of solving that problem? LE is trying to privatize the issue by pushing enforcement onto Internet publishers. 

4) These new laws would allow LE to cast a wider net looking for underage & trafficked providers. But the end result for us is, "Oh, you got caught by mistake. You weren't the target of our operation. Too bad, so sad, but what you're doing is still illegal. You going to jail anyway."

#4 they already do unfortunately as we just saw a couple of weeks ago.

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Samantha Sheppard

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18 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

#4 they already do unfortunately as we just saw a couple of weeks ago.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

Yes, they are. But with the wider net they're likely to catch more. Also, if websites become responsible for 3rd party content, what will happen with sites like TOB & ECCIE?

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3 hours ago, Bit Banger said:

Yes, they are. But with the wider net they're likely to catch more. Also, if websites become responsible for 3rd party content, what will happen with sites like TOB & ECCIE?

Yeah, that is scary. Not sure what will happen, and I am curious on the details for how they want to change it.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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4 hours ago, SultryKitten said:

If you go onto xnxx, which is a porn site(and just one of many)...there is lots of violent sex scenes and other scenes that depict taboo scenarios. While they are acted out by legal means, they depict things that we consider against the law. THAT is what I am talking about. You can't tell me that underage kids are not watching those when they are free and easily accessible, and then thinking that that is okay. I can't count how many people have contacted me wanting me to reenact certain scenarios or want things a certain way because they saw it in porn videos that I turn down. This societal thinking doesn't help with us trying to curb these kinds of things.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

This is a gutsy stand to take on an ASP board, because you run the risk of coming off as judgemental, but when you're right.....you're right.  Kudos.

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7 hours ago, SultryKitten said:

If you go onto xnxx, which is a porn site(and just one of many)...there is lots of violent sex scenes and other scenes that depict taboo scenarios. While they are acted out by legal means, they depict things that we consider against the law. THAT is what I am talking about. You can't tell me that underage kids are not watching those when they are free and easily accessible, and then thinking that that is okay. I can't count how many people have contacted me wanting me to reenact certain scenarios or want things a certain way because they saw it in porn videos that I turn down. This societal thinking doesn't help with us trying to curb these kinds of things.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

   Never been on that particular site. Get so many screeners that surfing the web for it rarely happens.The free tube sites are known to have malware.

 That said,the broadcast tv shows have enough violence and taboo subjects that they too should be condemned ?  As for underage kids,there are parental controls that their folks should be using.But then again it wasn't exactly tough to score a Playboy magazine before I was old enough to drive. Usually a high dose of anything makes one numb to it.

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In order to utilize parental controls one has to exercise parenting, which imparts one generation's value system to the next generation. Playboy was mild compared to some of the stuff we found in grade school (a French bridge deck with a different hard core scene on every card?). But at the same time my parents were lending us Dear Abby (or was it her sister, Anne Landers?) book on what to tell your teenager about sex.  I knew all about Tab A licks Slot B before inserting Tab C prior to HS. But I had both the smut & the healthy points of view, and knew the difference, when it came time to play.  Hiding the smut only made it more desirable; made us work harder to find it. 

But JR's right, a high dose numbs. Nudity has become "meh". Perhaps one of the reasons I like most body types and that I'm not a 'pictures accurate?" fanatic. 

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Would you pull that crap with Annette? 

As for you officer in blue I know what you wanna do.

Seriously though this is all crap. As long as the definition of trafficking remains flimsy everything is at risk. We are all traffickers and just knowing that something illegal is going on is now a crime. The fight with BP pisses me off on so many levels, first the trafficking is getting worse narrative is an outright lie, imposing rules like this really infringes on our internet freedom and the casualties are worse than most can comprehend. BP has the power to put providers out of business if it tanks. 

If somehow law makers succeeded and put BP out of business do any of you really think LE would buckle down and do their actual jobs and look for actual victims? No laws about prostitution or the advertising of are about saving or protecting people, it's all about punishing people. Shaming people based of moralistic beliefs. 

It's all hot garbage, we have a local SWOP chapter but they don't seem to do much maybe it's time that CO started it's own outreach and activism group. 

 

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Politico's can talk all day about the "war on the middle class".......A much larger concern is "the war on pussy"

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In the Neatherlands the stated purpose of their Red Light districts is to bring prostitution out of the shadows in an effort to make trafficking more obvious. Amnesty International has taken a stance for decriminalization, claiming that prostitution is a basic human right (recent CA lawsuit?). I think the Nordic model, criminalizing customers with victim status for prostitutes, is pushing the 'all sex work is trafficking' meme.

Then there's the puritanical American model, push it to the back alley where the general public can't see it. Cleanup Colfax, pushing the hookers onto the Internet.  I think CL & BP's "crime" is not so much that they advertise sexual services, but that they brought it out into the open, placing the ads alongside the ads for other services. Even granny could see them, not just those who were 'in the know'.  BP execs are being accused of 'coaching' traffickers, but why shouldn't they publish their standards (vetting process) for all to see. No, this is another witch hunt to drive us back into the shadows. 

But the jinn is out of the bottle. We will continue to find each other in the dark. Meanwhile LE plays wack-o-mole with websites. Unfortunately, some of us may be standing there when the mallet comes crashing down. 

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