Posted August 10, 2017 What do yall think? Fair? Unfair? Just plain wow! Keep it Positive yall. https://www.google.com/amp/denver.cbslocal.com/2017/05/12/invasion-of-privacy-escort/amp/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 I think they both got the judgement they deserved. Hopefully she doesn't have to wait 10 years for the payout. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 I think this link will work better. https://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/05/12/invasion-of-privacy-escort/amp/ Outing anyone, hobbyist or provider, is despicable. I hope she can collect at least some of the judgment and start a new life. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 Outing her was a very despicable thing to do. He should have to pay her immediately. You never, ever out someone for any reason....client or provider alike. I'd like to see him lose his law license. His comments about her show a complete disrespect for her and other ladies in this business as well as a disdain for people he feels who are beneath him..which I think he believes everyone is beneath him. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 This is why people should never get involved with clients. The guys an idiot for outing her and he lost in the end. He lost his law license for 3 years??? Should be permanently. Well this just shows that arrogance will be the end of some people. I'm glad she finally stood up for herself! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 Does not matter if the lady is an ASP or FLOTUS. You simply don't treat people this way, and if you do you will get what you deserve. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 Sad situation and outing is never acceptable. Most of the times when someone gets outed the person doing the damage has nothing to lose. I am glad she was looked at beyond being a provider and awarded a settlement. There is a special place in hell for those that our providers/hobbyists. Unfortunately our community accepts anyone and if someone does out another they should be publicly called out! I also feel sorry for his wife/family they were also the victims in this situation. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Melissa Sterling said: This is why people should never get involved with clients. The guys an idiot for outing her and he lost in the end. He lost his law license for 3 years??? Should be permanently. Well this just shows that arrogance will be the end of some people. I'm glad she finally stood up for herself! Stalking is so stupid. He got what he deserved. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, ilovewomen said: Outing her was a very despicable thing to do. He should have to pay her immediately. You never, ever out someone for any reason....client or provider alike. I'd like to see him lose his law license. His comments about her show a complete disrespect for her and other ladies in this business as well as a disdain for people he feels who are beneath him..which I think he believes everyone is beneath him. He did. 3 year suspension. Got fired too. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, pfunk said: I think they both got the judgement they deserved. Hopefully she doesn't have to wait 10 years for the payout. Unfortunately, collecting the judgement is where the hard work begins. It often never happens, just ask Ron Goldman's family. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Whatever they hit him with, it wasn't enough. This guy sounds completely unrepentant and righteously indignant. As a result, he's a good candidate to act out on his rage again, and the odds are that he will escalate. Her share of $1.7M is not going to go very far in a life lived looking over her shoulder. I hope he comes to before it's too late for him and his next target. Edited August 10, 2017 by Happymon 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 May we assume that this ex-lawyer is now on every escorts "do not see ' list ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 10, 2017 Outing is despicable in any case. How is this not criminal extortion? This is why I will not send ID pictures, or see providers that are adamant about using your real phone and or knowing your real information. I prefer p411 as a arbiter but there is never a guarantee. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 Completely unfair Chrissy! The malicious and despicable tax should be raised to a 2 mil minimum. But - yeah - she'll probably never see it. It send a nice message though. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 9 hours ago, pfunk said: I think they both got the judgement they deserved. Hopefully she doesn't have to wait 10 years for the payout. I don't agree, I think they could have squeezed a little more money out of that fool. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 18 hours ago, SensualAddict said: Outing is despicable in any case. How is this not criminal extortion? This is why I will not send ID pictures, or see providers that are adamant about using your real phone and or knowing your real information. I prefer p411 as a arbiter but there is never a guarantee. So, does that mean you ARE a p411 member? That is the one and only thing that trumps my one hard requirement which is an actual number and nothing else. If you are intent on being neither p411 or giving ANY info then you are just someone who is asking me to trust you blindly and completely to be alone with me, yet assuming I am a loose cannon who is a threat to your entire family. Funny as hell to hear that they are worried about ME being inherently problematic when often they are refusing to just share the damned number with me so I can clear them in 30 seconds...then turning right around and having me come to their house where their wife will be in 3 hrs and where their children play. Not saying you fit that category, at all, but the guys who think im itching to fuck their lives up are forgetting that their wives would blame ME no matter what the facts were. She'd start trying to unravel MY ball of twine since I clearly am some sorceress who used mind control to make her husband do things he'd never do in a million years, except that I made him ruin his wonderful marriage due to the fact that I dont want his business anymore...clearly I am a bad witch and this bad witch has her heart set on...washing her husbands socks and watching her kids. YUP--that was my plan all along, ya GOT ME:) I mean...that number being real is one thing that I can say is effective in a real way to make me ask usually nothing else. I cannot take on ALL the risks in an encounter, especially when the first thing the person has done is disregard a very simple and very unnegotiable directive withut which I have clearly stated in the ad that I am not interested in accommodating that particular person. l Blows my mind that someone would even call me and then say that since THEY super double cant risk me getting their respect and cooperation, I should let him be alone with me after he assures me that HE IS SO NICE that he just isnt gonna have to screen like the 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 19 hours ago, SensualAddict said: Outing is despicable in any case. How is this not criminal extortion? This is why I will not send ID pictures, or see providers that are adamant about using your real phone and or knowing your real information. I prefer p411 as a arbiter but there is never a guarantee. Red - WTF does this have to do with the story about an asshole guy committing several despicable crimes - yes, extortion being one - against the escort? It SOUNDS like you are saying you do the same shit and want to keep your personal info private so there is no consequence to you. Or is this just any flimsy opportunity to beat the no screening drum again? Blue = If one believes the articles they WERE p411, so what is your point? To OP - the ass hat client got off very easy with just a civil judgement. His ass should be in prison for criminal extortion, harassment, etc. and a temporary suspension of law license is laughably mild punishment. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 1 hour ago, TrystinTrimble said: So, does that mean you ARE a p411 member? Yes, I am a member of P411 I think it is the safest way to handle security and verification for all involved. They are telling both the provider and myself that we are both who we say we are. I would assume that most clients see far fewer providers than the number of clients a provider sees. It would seem that from a pure math perspective the provider is at the greater risk. I have always assumed that sites like this and P411 let providers share information about clients as well. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 42 minutes ago, gr8owl said: Red - WTF does this have to do with the story about an asshole guy committing several despicable crimes - yes, extortion being one - against the escort? It SOUNDS like you are saying you do the same shit and want to keep your personal info private so there is no consequence to you. Or is this just any flimsy opportunity to beat the no screening drum again? Blue = If one believes the articles they WERE p411, so what is your point? To OP - the ass hat client got off very easy with just a civil judgement. His ass should be in prison for criminal extortion, harassment, etc. and a temporary suspension of law license is laughably mild punishment. What I am saying is that both parties need to keep their personal information private. This creates the situation where neither side likely to "suffer consequences". The point about not giving my real phone or photo id is that it requires that first leap of trust by an involved party, no sanitary line. In order to verify I am who I say, I have to provide personal information to an unknown party. The no screening drum? I am pretty new here and did not realize that was a recurring theme. For the record, that's just crazy, I screen my plumbers for gods sake. I screen providers through reviews and P411. It seems that I may be mistaken but I always assumed the provider view of this site and P411 did something rather like the client view. They can leave feedback for other providers like we can for them. My point is, there should be a solid boundary between client and provider. In my world we call this type of arrangement an escrow, we both provide information to a disinterested third party that "guarantees" we are who we say we are. That creates the safety boundary. In this article multiple lines were crossed, knowledge of personal information, having a romantic personal relationship, this broke down. The guy in this article is not only despicable but seemingly criminal. He could to 20 years but instead got 3 years of no law practice? How in the world is that even justice? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 I don't understand why people go to extremes to cause others harm. Just move on with your life. It's too short for all the bs and drama 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 WOW. The fact she was an escort is really the least of it. He purposefully harmed her, her family, and her career!! Those could have been simply private nude pictures, and it's still a crime. Add in the rest and it's over the top. It's extortion as well. This poor woman. Even if she gets all of the 1.7m (she won't), it's not enough. Not sure how she teaches again after this. The punitive damages should have been higher. Add the fact this mope isn't practicing law for 3 years, and her money is going to be super hard to get. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 4 hours ago, gr8owl said: Red - WTF does this have to do with the story about an asshole guy committing several despicable crimes - yes, extortion being one - against the escort? It SOUNDS like you are saying you do the same shit and want to keep your personal info private so there is no consequence to you. Or is this just any flimsy opportunity to beat the no screening drum again? Blue = If one believes the articles they WERE p411, so what is your point? To OP - the ass hat client got off very easy with just a civil judgement. His ass should be in prison for criminal extortion, harassment, etc. and a temporary suspension of law license is laughably mild punishment. I was wondering the same thing gr8owl, thanks for asking. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 11, 2017 Here's hoping she recovers the full judgment. He is the worst of the worst and no punishment is enough for the willful and despicable actions he committed. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 12, 2017 I am way in favor of the p411 route for guys. As much as I find myself annoyed with their spotty notifications long after theyre relevant to me anymore....I've never once had a grievous incident with one of those guys. The ones who are experienced, give no info whatsoever, and refuse to even pay for p411--they're genreally the exact guy I do not want anywhere near me. Like...seriously, if a gentleman Is that entitled before I've met him then I can assume he will shit all over me because he is asking me to bend backwards with no effort on his end. Fuck that, that culture and attitude of the entitled slobbyest and the girl who is expected to stfu and put up with it is something that I will never accept as my duty. As for the subject at hand...this has happened to me. He dimed me out and it caused my life to fall the hell apart. My family and friends know and have known...and it was still devastating because it got me under the county's thumb. Despicable and born of nothing but a grandiose ego I refused to feed. I got to sue too, but it was on an injury. Obviously he was a bit of a problem and I could die happy if that snitch lost his ass to my bank account. That might make me feel better 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 12, 2017 37 minutes ago, TrystinTrimble said: I am way in favor of the p411 route for guys. As much as I find myself annoyed with their spotty notifications long after theyre relevant to me anymore....I've never once had a grievous incident with one of those guys. The ones who are experienced, give no info whatsoever, and refuse to even pay for p411--they're genreally the exact guy I do not want anywhere near me. Like...seriously, if a gentleman Is that entitled before I've met him then I can assume he will shit all over me because he is asking me to bend backwards with no effort on his end. Fuck that, that culture and attitude of the entitled slobbyest and the girl who is expected to stfu and put up with it is something that I will never accept as my duty. As for the subject at hand...this has happened to me. He dimed me out and it caused my life to fall the hell apart. My family and friends know and have known...and it was still devastating because it got me under the county's thumb. Despicable and born of nothing but a grandiose ego I refused to feed. I got to sue too, but it was on an injury. Obviously he was a bit of a problem and I could die happy if that snitch lost his ass to my bank account. That might make me feel better Just because a client has P411 does not mean they're safe....you should still screen them just like everyone else...this I had to learn....wish I would have known this in March of this year....glad I know about it now💋 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Bella Marie said: Just because a client has P411 does not mean they're safe....you should still screen them just like everyone else...this I had to learn....wish I would have known this in March of this year....glad I know about it now💋 I am just proud to announce I've never ever had an issue in 10 plus years..40-plus States... being me on p411 I do other screening but again that p411 counts for a lot.. I just don't go by the okay's either.. I go by the ladies they have seen , the lady's reputation and activities as well.. I have turned down p411 gentleman because of such and I have never regretted a moment of it ..I want nothing but positive turnouts in this business for me and my guys that I visit.. and being safe is the best way for me to insure a bomb ass I am gonna see you agAin visit On 8/10/2017 at 11:10 AM, Laci French said: Sad situation and outing is never acceptable. Most of the times when someone gets outed the person doing the damage has nothing to lose. I am glad she was looked at beyond being a provider and awarded a settle 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 12, 2017 I did my due diligence on p411 as well...but admittedly 10+OKs is enough for me. The worst I've ever had to deal with with those guys is having to hang out with somebody who had a flat personality for an hour and one guy whose profile picture was a picture of his own ass you are probably should have not seen based on that alone but I did. He was a tremendously chauvinistic and unlikeable dude but not dangerous. Just watch out for that picture that guy's a jerk... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Chrissy said: I am just proud to announce I've never ever had an issue in 10 plus years..40-plus States... being me on p411 I do other screening but again that p411 counts for a lot.. I just don't go by the okay's either.. I go by the ladies they have seen , the lady's reputation and activities as well.. I have turned down p411 gentleman because of such and I have never regretted a moment of it ..I want nothing but positive turnouts in this business for me and my guys that I visit.. and being safe is the best way for me to insure a bomb ass I am gonna see you agAin visit I've only had 1 bad situation with the assault and he had 17 okays. I contacted Gina and she immediately took care of the situation. If there is a REAL and VALID issue with someone on p411 I believe Gina handles it quickly and she's a no bullshit kind of lady. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Chrissy said: I am just proud to announce I've never ever had an issue in 10 plus years..40-plus States... being me on p411 I do other screening but again that p411 counts for a lot.. I just don't go by the okay's either.. I go by the ladies they have seen , the lady's reputation and activities as well.. I have turned down p411 gentleman because of such and I have never regretted a moment of it ..I want nothing but positive turnouts in this business for me and my guys that I visit.. and being safe is the best way for me to insure a bomb ass I am gonna see you agAin visit ∆∆∆ yes ∆∆∆. I 100% agree!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites