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So... I'm wondering on this topic... 

I would like input on both sides of this topic...

I have changed my reference policy to this: 

References will be given once a client has seen me twice.

Fair? Or Not?

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If that's what works best for you, it can't be wrong...for you!  

I would just feel like I'm placing a gentleman in a bad situation by him having to visit me twice.  I also feel that I wouldn't be doing a service to all of you beautiful ladies by holding off on a reference.  

I am beyond blessed to have some of the most amazing regulars, but not everyone I see is going to want to have seconds before I vouch.  I get that and no harm-no foul.  

Will you also do this on p411 as well?

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1 minute ago, Laci French said:

If that's what works best for you, it can't be wrong...for you!  

I would just feel like I'm placing a gentleman in a bad situation by him having to visit me twice.  I also feel that I wouldn't be doing a service to all of you beautiful ladies by holding off on a reference.  

I am beyond blessed to have some of the most amazing regulars, but not everyone I see is going to want to have seconds before I vouch.  I get that and no harm-no foul.  

Will you also do this on p411 as well?

Not if the gentlemen request an OK...

I will give references on TOB with 1 visit if client asks for one via PM...💋💋💋💋

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Sorry Bella but this policy reminds me of not allowing certain services until the second date.

Not a deal killer but certainly a turn off.

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No doll ..it encourages clients to join an awesome site💋 read my second post please

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31 minutes ago, Bella Marie said:

No doll ..it encourages clients to join an awesome site💋 read my second post please

Well I'm confused.  

In your first post you say you are going to require a 2 visit policy befor you'll give a reference.

In your second post you say you'll give a P411 OK after the first visit or a TOB reference after the first visit if he PM's you.

Isn't that contradictory, or am I reading that wrong?

Some guys prefer to see as many different ladies as possible. Sometimes you 2 may not click.

If he passes your screening and everything goes ok in the first visit, I can see where he will request a reference so he can see a different lady.

However, you should do what you are comfortable with no matter what I or anyone else thinks. And if that means a 2 visit policy before you'll give a reference, then so be it.

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I think once a gent sees a lady, she wasnt given fake funds, or didn't go to the pokey. The guy deserves the reference. That's all I care to know when asking another lady on a reference. I don't care for session details or anything other than Will I check out as simple as I checked in :)

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1 hour ago, Bella Marie said:

So... I'm wondering on this topic... 

I would like input on both sides of this topic...

I have changed my reference policy to this: 

References will be given once a client has seen me twice.

Fair? Or Not?

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Anything you do is fair as long as it is clearly stated in your ads.  This will probably have the consequence of discouraging reference seekers from seeing you....which is probably your intent.

P411 is so easy, I just don't understand why everyone does not get on board.  I never worry about references. Just if the lady wants to see me or not depending on what others have told them about me.

References don't help if the grapevine is full of bad news about you.  When ladies start cancelling or turn you down a lot, even with good refs....something else may be afoot.

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1 minute ago, *Merlin said:

Not, this is a form of extortion   :confused:

Please read 2nd post doll💋

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32 minutes ago, ilovewomen said:

Well I'm confused.  

In your first post you say you are going to require a 2 visit policy befor you'll give a reference.

In your second post you say you'll give a P411 OK after the first visit or a TOB reference after the first visit if he PM's you.

Isn't that contradictory, or am I reading that wrong?

Some guys prefer to see as many different ladies as possible. Sometimes you 2 may not click.

If he passes your screening and everything goes ok in the first visit, I can see where he will request a reference so he can see a different lady.

However, you should do what you are comfortable with no matter what I or anyone else thinks. And if that means a 2 visit policy before you'll give a reference, then so be it.

I reclarified in my AD💋

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33 minutes ago, Yorick said:

Anything you do is fair as long as it is clearly stated in your ads.  This will probably have the consequence of discouraging reference seekers from seeing you....which is probably your intent.

P411 is so easy, I just don't understand why everyone does not get on board.  I never worry about references. Just if the lady wants to see me or not depending on what others have told them about me.

References don't help if the grapevine is full of bad news about you.  When ladies start cancelling or turn you down a lot, even with good refs....something else may be afoot.

True... I'm open to seeing clients of a certain age... I prefer speaking to them first as well... So I mistakes my first post...

I am requiring clients that are NON MEMBERS to see me twice... I have had people contact me stating we've met via text and we never had...they ask for a reference and I won't give them one...I am about safety for other providers as well as my own safety💋 plus encouraging clients to join TOB is a good thing right?

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13 minutes ago, Bella Marie said:

..............plus encouraging clients to join TOB is a good thing right?

“I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.”

Groucho Marx

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Mercury is going into retrograde so miscommunication is common💋😂😂😂😂💋 Have a great weekend everyone🇺🇸

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3 hours ago, Bella Marie said:

So... I'm wondering on this topic... 

I would like input on both sides of this topic...

I have changed my reference policy to this: 

References will be given once a client has seen me twice.

Fair? Or Not?

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Lets crack open the official rule book of escorting and see what it says. oh wait...............:D

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My opinion: If a guy goes through whatever screening process you choose, pays the correct amount, is pleasant, not stinky, or prying, and you weren't scared, he deserves a reference. It probably should expire after 6 months (or less). You can choose to ask for two visits, but I suspect many guys won't even do one, due to that policy. 

Lots of guys in this "hobby" are going to be one-timers. They aren't looking for love, or any other commitment, just some brief no-strings-attached fun. Then, it's on to the next attractive woman.

 

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3 minutes ago, pfunk said:

My opinion: If a guy goes through whatever screening process you choose, pays the correct amount, is pleasant, not stinky, or prying, and you weren't scared, he deserves a reference. It probably should expire after 6 months (or less). You can choose to ask for two visits, but I suspect many guys won't even do one, due to that policy. 

Lots of guys in this "hobby" are going to be one-timers. They aren't looking for love, or any other commitment, just some brief no-strings-attached fun. Then, it's on to the next attractive woman.

 

While this is generally true.....sometimes you get hooked on one or two really fine ones, and keep coming back.

Wait a minute.  Have I unwittingly stumbled upon the etymology of.........??????

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I don't see an issue with non members of TOB or P411 if it works for your business model, and are satisfied with the ROI you go. I like the P411 / TOB model I get an ok or an reference here or there, I leave reviews if any one has their doubts I'm pretty sure most of the ladies know each other to some form or another, and would feel more comfortable dbl checking with some one they know and trust VS getting a call from some due wanting a reference for some one trying to see on  BP or CL.

 

Maybe I have just grown to trust the members of TOB & P411

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35 minutes ago, boink36 said:

Lets crack open the official rule book of escorting and see what it says. oh wait...............:D

Rules apply in horseshoes and hand grenades.... Glad I have neither💋💋💋🇺🇸💋💋💋

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26 minutes ago, pfunk said:

My opinion: If a guy goes through whatever screening process you choose, pays the correct amount, is pleasant, not stinky, or prying, and you weren't scared, he deserves a reference. It probably should expire after 6 months (or less). You can choose to ask for two visits, but I suspect many guys won't even do one, due to that policy. 

Lots of guys in this "hobby" are going to be one-timers. They aren't looking for love, or any other commitment, just some brief no-strings-attached fun. Then, it's on to the next attractive woman.

 

I think it's probably more along the lines of "You've used me as a reference for 8 other girls since the one half hour you saw me almost a year ago.  I've spent more time dealing with your references than the time you paid for.  Why are you still using me, use one of the more recent girls?"

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4 minutes ago, FuriousWeasel said:

I think it's probably more along the lines of "You've used me as a reference for 8 other girls since the one half hour you saw me almost a year ago.  I've spent more time dealing with your references than the time you paid for.  Why are you still using me, use one of the more recent girls?"

Agreed! IMO, a client should always use the most recently seen providers as references. It's just logical.  

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I guess my question would be why?  Would this policy be to encourage more repeat customers, or is it that you just don't feel comfortable giving the reference until you've seen someone twice?  It seems that if you are willing to see someone a second time, you would be willing to give another yl the OK to see them for the first.

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Here is my side on this.

I had a guy see me once, and two weeks later he told another girl that he had seen me. She didn't feel strong about him and said that she wouldn't see him, and he turned around and wrote a scathing email to me who was oblivious to this whole ordeal as he didn't follow my protocol.

Now here is the kicker...he was on my luke warm list, and I was going to give him a second chance, but due to those recent events and the ones previous...he is now a definite no, blocked, and blacklisted.

Sometimes we can't ascertain on just one date if a client is good, and usually on the first date...we are are on our best behavior. When a guy sees me a second time, it tells me that he did like my service and it let's me gauge him better as we have already gotten the broken ice out of the way.

I think there might be a method to this, but it might take a bit to build a repertoire of sorts. I am all for helping out, but I have gotten pretty particular on how and who I give my references too. I mean, I have gotten references from girls that saw the guy once and they were some of the worst I have seen. It doesn't always happen, but there does seem to be a pattern.

I do also understand the client's side and it is already frustrating enough to get in some ladies' doors, but I feel that safety should always come first, and if this makes you feel more comfortable then do what you gotta do.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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4 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

Here is my side on this.

I had a guy see me once, and two weeks later he told another girl that he had seen me. She didn't feel strong about him and said that she wouldn't see him, and he turned around and wrote a scathing email to me who was oblivious to this whole ordeal as he didn't follow my protocol.

Now here is the kicker...he was on my luke warm list, and I was going to give him a second chance, but due to those recent events and the ones previous...he is now a definite no, blocked, and blacklisted.

Sometimes we can't ascertain on just one date if a client is good, and usually on the first date...we are are on our best behavior. When a guy sees me a second time, it tells me that he did like my service and it let's me gauge him better as we have already gotten the broken ice out of the way.

I think there might be a method to this, but it might take a bit to build a repertoire of sorts. I am all for helping out, but I have gotten pretty particular on how and who I give my references too. I mean, I have gotten references from girls that saw the guy once and they were some of the worst I have seen. It doesn't always happen, but there does seem to be a pattern.

I do also understand the client's side and it is already frustrating enough to get in some ladies' doors, but I feel that safety should always come first, and if this makes you feel more comfortable then do what you gotta do.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

My thoughts too...sometimes we are on guard when we first meet someone as well... That and also the person may have just seen you so they could have a reference...I screen well because I choose whom I feel a connection with... If they didn't have a connection THEN BE HONEST...why is that so hard?... We are all adults right?.... I know some people just don't mesh well... And I love meeting new people .... I stake no claims to anyone but myself and my fur baby💋💕💋💕💋

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3 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

Sometimes we can't ascertain on just one date if a client is good, and usually on the first date...we are are on our best behavior. When a guy sees me a second time, it tells me that he did like my service and it let's me gauge him better as we have already gotten the broken ice out of the way.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

My problem is that I need to see many quality Ladies a 2nd time. Therefore I would have, or perhaps do have no references. I don't know, I still need to understand reference protocol. Sorry Bella, but even being a member of TOB, TER, P411, ECCIE, as I read ads, and reading that in your ad, I would pass. To me there's a way to do this, and putting restrictions on me don't cut it. That being said, it's how you choose to do it, not my concern.

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1 minute ago, fishndude57 said:

My problem is that I need to see many quality Ladies a 2nd time. Therefore I would have, or perhaps do have no references. I don't know, I still need to understand reference protocol. Sorry Bella, but even being a member of TOB, TER, P411, ECCIE, as I read ads, and reading that in your ad, I would pass. To me there's a way to do this, and putting restrictions on me don't cut it. That being said, it's how you choose to do it, not my concern.

I understand you're input on that as well...so how would you try to encourage clients to join this site and its amazing providers?

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4 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

My problem is that I need to see many quality Ladies a 2nd time. Therefore I would have, or perhaps do have no references. I don't know, I still need to understand reference protocol. Sorry Bella, but even being a member of TOB, TER, P411, ECCIE, as I read ads, and reading that in your ad, I would pass. To me there's a way to do this, and putting restrictions on me don't cut it. That being said, it's how you choose to do it, not my concern.

"Also if you want a reference I prefer you see me at least twice please before asking if you're not a member of this site, I encourage you to join.... If you are a member please send a PM request....Thank you"

How about this approach?

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2 minutes ago, Bella Marie said:

I understand you're input on that as well...so how would you try to encourage clients to join this site and its amazing providers?

I would not and will not tell anyone about these sites. Believe it or not I have no screening process for clients, my biz is none of theirs.

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Just now, fishndude57 said:

I would not and will not tell anyone about these sites. Believe it or not I have no screening process for clients, my biz is none of theirs.

Ok...so when I ask where they found me they say TOB...they already know about this site....right?

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If they chose not to join that's fine... That's their choice... It just makes giving a person a reference easier for us providers...and easier on the clients as well I feel...

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20 minutes ago, Bella Marie said:

"Also if you want a reference I prefer you see me at least twice please before asking if you're not a member of this site, I encourage you to join.... If you are a member please send a PM request....Thank you"

How about this approach?

I have some sad news, Bella, there are members of 'this site' who don't act any differently than anyone else from the outside. Your game. Your rules, but I agree with pfunk. If he checks out and he's pleasant company the first time, why not give the reference? At least here you can take it back later if something comes up. It's a luxury not afforded at p411. Just my 2 cents.

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