Posted July 8, 2017 Seems like more and more ASP's are digging deeper these days. Less 30 minute options likely as well. I can understand with the price of accommodations these days. Feeling lucky I have 2 low key ASP's I can turn too that don't go so deep into the pocket. Do you think that is a reflection of the booming Denver economy(supply and demand) or just the realization that things cost more these days? Seem like a lot of interlopers in that range as well. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 8, 2017 I'm gonna go with Denver ecnomy. While I should opt myself for 30 minute options, I never do. Hotel rooms, as on occassion I rent one, pick up my date, because I refuse to do a hotel in call, are quite pricey. Mostly I do outs, even if I have to drive all the way across town to pick them up. As far as supply and demand, I think there's more supply than demand. That being said, I choose to see no new, I'm quite comfortable with my regs. Wish I could shed a couple of my regs, Jeez all they ask for is $$ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2017 time for a new hobby, might try drone racing........ 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2017 Mr. Punk, nah, I've watched that. Those cats are serious and have major $$ into it. That and I can only text with one finger, I'm totally inept on control pane;ls. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2017 3 hours ago, fishndude57 said: . Wish I could shed a couple of my regs, Jeez all they ask for is $$ Dude, if you mean in exchange for sessions tell little head to pipe down and make no more appointments with anyone you don't really want to see. If you mean loans, advances, etc. just say no and i bet they vanish on their own. Been there and works like a charm. Gold diggers will keep digging long as you hand them the shovel. And if you are being facetious never mind. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 9, 2017 10 hours ago, gr8owl said: Dude, if you mean in exchange for sessions tell little head to pipe down and make no more appointments with anyone you don't really want to see. If you mean loans, advances, etc. just say no and i bet they vanish on their own. Been there and works like a charm. Gold diggers will keep digging long as you hand them the shovel. Yup, the latter not the former, all's good on the former front. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 On 7/8/2017 at 6:26 PM, Mr.Pink said: time for a new hobby, might try drone racing........ Damn you, I'm watching races cause no other sports on, and am looking at cool drones. Only because of your damn reply. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 On 7/8/2017 at 5:47 PM, gb0138 said: Seems like more and more ASP's are digging deeper these days. Less 30 minute options likely as well. I can understand with the price of accommodations these days. Feeling lucky I have 2 low key ASP's I can turn too that don't go so deep into the pocket. Do you think that is a reflection of the booming Denver economy(supply and demand) or just the realization that things cost more these days? Seem like a lot of interlopers in that range as well. I think it is the gradual effect of the income inequality that is the pattern of the US, and for that matter, the world. The higher dollar clients are there as always, but the "next tier down" is shrinking. Shrink a middle class, and you shrink a certain clientele. The higher dollar guys are highly prized as such, and some ladies are working to book to them as much as possible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 You want honesty? The 30 minutes are disappearing because guys think they can get the same service or more in that time frame as they can get in an hour, and they milk(even push it to past the 30minutes) the time while pushing for things that we consider should be for the top dollar/more time sessions. Personally, I used to like the 30 minutes, but lately I have done more work in those times than I do in my new hour rate packages, and those should be where I am busting my ass. I am not saying that every 30 minute guy I have is doing this, but I have let a good number of my past regulars go because of their new behavior, and I am sure I am not the only lady getting tired of the "I am entitled" attitude. Also, yes the prices are going up. Just today BP raised moving the ads to $5 on the dating section from $3. If I even advertise for 20 days in the month that is $100. That is more than I pay to advertise here, or anywhere else. There is never a warning, and their restrictions make it really hard for guys to get enough info to know if they want to see you. For that kind of specialty, you have to pay lots more. Just me personally, I pay about $400 in advertising monthly. Then there is the incall...I haven't paid less than $80 per night for a hotel in Colorado in months. A year ago and more, I could easily average about $60 a night if I was smart. I do have a permanent resident, and that helps, but my personal expenses are up there, and I am big on budgeting. Take a ladies rate, and what you think is average of all of her monthly expenses and do the math. That is a lot of clients that we have to see to meet demands, and when it is high volume it is hard to meet that demand and maintain quality in our work. So I guess you have to decide...do you want quality or quantity? Be cheap, but you will tend to get what you paid for. xoxo, Samantha Sheppard 14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 30 minutes ago, SultryKitten said: You want honesty? The 30 minutes are disappearing because guys think they can get the same service or more in that time frame as they can get in an hour, and they milk(even push it to past the 30minutes) the time while pushing for things that we consider should be for the top dollar/more time sessions. Personally, I used to like the 30 minutes, but lately I have done more work in those times than I do in my new hour rate packages, and those should be where I am busting my ass. I am not saying that every 30 minute guy I have is doing this, but I have let a good number of my past regulars go because of their new behavior, and I am sure I am not the only lady getting tired of the "I am entitled" attitude. 4 I agree with this. I enjoy the 30 minute sessions because I get more of those than hour long, but I had a hard time getting them to keep their appt times. It's like dominoes and though I leave space between my sessions, I would barely have enough time to reset and get ready for a new one. Instead of being done and out the door at 30 mins they wanted to stay over that time and accused me of clock watching. I don't know about you guys, but it's hard to keep appointment times if I never keep track of the time. I'm clever about it, I have playlists for the increments of time I offer, but it was always cutting it close with those 30 min fellas. I'm always respectful of time and am ready to go as soon as they get there, but I never really got that returned. All my hour guys are the absolute best about it. Anyone else see this too? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) The last two posts, while not very "romantic", are absolutely fascinating to me as an engineer with experience in lean principles. It never occurred to me that you ladies have essentially put together a series of standard work playsheets based upon the length and type of session. I have noticed, especially in seeing one provider repeatedly, that certain "safety protocols" were religiously followed regarding the donation. It was always surreptitiously checked, and then disappeared, during a specific part of the session. Once I noticed the pattern, my first (male) instinct was to be hurt. She didn't trust me! But then, I recognized it for what it was. Professionalism. Every industry has its own safety rules, that when broken, will eventually result in injury or death. Every industry has steps and operations, techniques that have to be performed in a certain order to be able to keep quality and productivity (and hence profitability) at a certain level. And to the OPs point, Every industry has factors, usually involving materiel costs, labor costs, governmental regulations, and market forces, that will affect the cost of the final product, and can cause prices to fluctuate. To be crude about it, most of us guys will tend to look at this as nothing more than some slutty chick spreading her legs for money. What's special about that? Asking for more money then becomes easily rationalized as GPS. And to be honest, some providers....the ones that do poorly...put no more thought into it than that. But I am becoming more and more impressed with the level of professionalism that I am seeing in some of the providers I have visited. It really IS a business and as customers we should not lose sight of this. All the more impressive considering the positive "I want you" impression they are usually able to leave us with. So, ladies, be aware. The next time we have a session....."I see what you did there". And I am impressed. Edited July 29, 2017 by Yorick Punctuation 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) "Every industry has factors, usually involving materiel costs, labor costs, governmental regulations, and market forces, that will affect the cost of the final product, and can cause prices to fluctuate.".... I totally agree with this statement... Candles, shower gels for the gentlemen...fresh clean towels ....hot towels and building a table for clients isn't free...keeping a clean an comfortable location isn't free either.... Providing ambiance is something some providers pride themselves on...also lets mention outfits as well...upscale lingerie isn't cheap...I love what I do but the cost of all this PLUS advertising and people want hhr for like 80?.... I'm sorry but you cannot provide a quality session for that amount....not unless you are into 3G.... Edited July 29, 2017 by Bella Marie 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 I'm going with economy, and like Bella said i think most of the ladies really try hard to make it a great time and think an hour is more efficient for them. I really should only book 30 mins, since that's all I'm good for on a normal day, but I book an hr i like being able to chat with the ladies getting to know them a bit, and when talking with them they are fascinating gals. plus every thing seems more relaxed with an hr. so it's an hr for me I just get out less often 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 Everything is going up in price. People bitched and moaned about getting paid $15 bucks an hour for minimum wage for flipping burgers and now we have kiosks. I went to get a patch sewed on a shirt the other day and there was a sign that read, "due to the increase in minimum wage, we have increased our prices". Theres more and more girls popping up, but they lack the knowledge of personalized attention to detail that Bella and Samantha mentioned. So, they look good, but you get what you pay for. Rents are increasing, food, dry cleaning, salons, clothing, everything. So yes we must adjust our rates as well. I Don't have some of the huge overhead that others do, but I do have life to pay for. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 18 minutes ago, richinco said: I'm going with economy, and like Bella said i think most of the ladies really try hard to make it a great time and think an hour is more efficient for them. I really should only book 30 mins, since that's all I'm good for on a normal day, but I book an hr i like being able to chat with the ladies getting to know them a bit, and when talking with them they are fascinating gals. plus every thing seems more relaxed with an hr. so it's an hr for me I just get out less often Yes...if a gentleman only uses 30 min...never rush them out...offer a FBSM💋 Or cuddle or offer a shower... The type of service a provider varies...Preferring quality over quantity myself💞 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 Denver is booming and the economy is good for some but not all, I have yet to see the boom have any huge impact on the business in regards to demand. Is there a particular price point that's being referring to? I would say that Denver is still comfortably lower than the national average in other "hobby hot spots". There was recently a thread on TER from a fellow in Boston who posted something similar but he mentioned that rates had spiked from $350 to $500 some even as high as $700. I don't think we're quite there yet. Or maybe by the title I should guess the 400 and up club? I don't think it's fair to say provider's are digging deeper these days and we definitely didn't just realize the cost of living. It takes time to adjust and to figure out what clients are willing to pay, how many clients you need and what you need to charge them to maintain a profit. I think a lot of providers are giving themselves a well deserved and long overdue raise and others are pricing themselves competitively for the national market. The cost of living in Denver is ridiculous and rates have stagnated, it's honestly nice to see ladies raise them. There was a fabulous local red head who tweeted about this not too long ago. "2002 Escort Rate: $350-$400 2002 Rent: $565 2017 Escort Rate: $400 2017 Rent: $1800" As a luxury service we should definitely be hiking up our rates as costs around us go up. I'm not here to make millions but there is no reason for someone in this business to not make an above average livable wage. I personally believe that no provider in good standing should not be accepting less than 200 period. If it's really about quality over quantity then we need rates that make up for the lack of quantity. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) I'm trying to say this w/o sounding snarky because I mean it seriously. Lucy, good economic analysis! Some of the guys may brand me a traitor, but it's about time rates crept up. As Lucy says, Denver rates have always been slightly below the national average. 10-15 years ago a quality 1hr session would cost ~$200. Today that same session cost ~$300. A 50% increase. In 2002 the DOW was in the 8-9K range; yesterday it closed above 21K. A 162% gain Samantha, thank you for pointing out some of you expenses, and how they have changed. I won't get into the 30min vs. longer debate. I just never felt 30min was enough to savor the pleasure of a woman's company. Edited July 29, 2017 by Bit Banger 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said: Denver is booming and the economy is good for some but not all, I have yet to see the boom have any huge impact on the business in regards to demand. "2002 Escort Rate: $350-$400 2002 Rent: $565 2017 Escort Rate: $400 2017 Rent: $1800" As a luxury service we should definitely be hiking up our rates as costs around us go up. This right here makes sense!!! Great post! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said: The cost of living in Denver is ridiculous I gotta agree with Lucy here. Housing, especially. has skyrocketed. It costs a lot more to live here than it did in the recent past. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30, 2017 I know that things are tight. My ATF took a regular job to make ends meet. She says it is OK, but seems like the stress of idiots not complying with screening rules and demanding "extras" got to her. TOO BAD. This business ought to provide a livig wage. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30, 2017 On 7/28/2017 at 11:16 PM, SultryKitten said: You want honesty? The 30 minutes are disappearing because guys think they can get the same service or more in that time frame as they can get in an hour, and they milk(even push it to past the 30minutes) the time while pushing for things that we consider should be for the top dollar/more time sessions. Personally, I used to like the 30 minutes, but lately I have done more work in those times than I do in my new hour rate packages, and those should be where I am busting my ass. I am not saying that every 30 minute guy I have is doing this, but I have let a good number of my past regulars go because of their new behavior, and I am sure I am not the only lady getting tired of the "I am entitled" attitude. Also, yes the prices are going up. Just today BP raised moving the ads to $5 on the dating section from $3. If I even advertise for 20 days in the month that is $100. That is more than I pay to advertise here, or anywhere else. There is never a warning, and their restrictions make it really hard for guys to get enough info to know if they want to see you. For that kind of specialty, you have to pay lots more. Just me personally, I pay about $400 in advertising monthly. Then there is the incall...I haven't paid less than $80 per night for a hotel in Colorado in months. A year ago and more, I could easily average about $60 a night if I was smart. I do have a permanent resident, and that helps, but my personal expenses are up there, and I am big on budgeting. Take a ladies rate, and what you think is average of all of her monthly expenses and do the math. That is a lot of clients that we have to see to meet demands, and when it is high volume it is hard to meet that demand and maintain quality in our work. So I guess you have to decide...do you want quality or quantity? Be cheap, but you will tend to get what you paid for. xoxo, Samantha Sheppard Thank you Samantha! And interlopers? Is this a reference to girls that came of Backpage? Because I started off Backpage because I didn't know any better until I did my research and came to TOB because I'm a kick ass provider who was a INTERLOPER on BP and knew my skills would be more appreciated here. I consider myself a COMPANION and like Samantha stated I can't be the perfect companion within 30 minutes (although I am that good) 😉 I don't really offer hh sessions because I feel like all my clients deserve to feel the true passion that I'm able to give, plus I'm so much better than a quickie. But like my doll Sam said, you get what you pay for so I guess if you're into that then kudos to you! Cali Rose 🌹 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30, 2017 13 hours ago, Bit Banger said: I'm trying to say this w/o sounding snarky because I mean it seriously. Lucy, good economic analysis! Some of the guys may brand me a traitor, but it's about time rates crept up. As Lucy says, Denver rates have always been slightly below the national average. 10-15 years ago a quality 1hr session would cost ~$200. Today that same session cost ~$300. A 50% increase. In 2002 the DOW was in the 8-9K range; yesterday it closed above 21K. A 162% gain Samantha, thank you for pointing out some of you expenses, and how they have changed. I won't get into the 30min vs. longer debate. I just never felt 30min was enough to savor the pleasure of a woman's company. I'm glad that some guys see from our perspective. I don't think you're being snarky at all Bit although I can't speak for your peers. Some guys think it is acceptable for providers to charge a super low price for hh but let's look at what you're getting... 1) she's probably getting a lot of business so it's going to be hard to book.... 2) she's getting super banged out and probably very irritable because she just wants the day to be over. 3) there's little to no connection because let's be honest you're just another number Need I go on? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 30, 2017 On 7/29/2017 at 7:05 AM, Yorick said: The last two posts, while not very "romantic", are absolutely fascinating to me as an engineer with experience in lean principles. It never occurred to me that you ladies have essentially put together a series of standard work playsheets based upon the length and type of session. I have noticed, especially in seeing one provider repeatedly, that certain "safety protocols" were religiously followed regarding the donation. It was always surreptitiously checked, and then disappeared, during a specific part of the session. Once I noticed the pattern, my first (male) instinct was to be hurt. She didn't trust me! But then, I recognized it for what it was. Professionalism. Every industry has its own safety rules, that when broken, will eventually result in injury or death. Every industry has steps and operations, techniques that have to be performed in a certain order to be able to keep quality and productivity (and hence profitability) at a certain level. And to the OPs point, Every industry has factors, usually involving materiel costs, labor costs, governmental regulations, and market forces, that will affect the cost of the final product, and can cause prices to fluctuate. To be crude about it, most of us guys will tend to look at this as nothing more than some slutty chick spreading her legs for money. What's special about that? Asking for more money then becomes easily rationalized as GPS. And to be honest, some providers....the ones that do poorly...put no more thought into it than that. But I am becoming more and more impressed with the level of professionalism that I am seeing in some of the providers I have visited. It really IS a business and as customers we should not lose sight of this. All the more impressive considering the positive "I want you" impression they are usually able to leave us with. So, ladies, be aware. The next time we have a session....."I see what you did there". And I am impressed. I appreciate you understanding our professionalism. Thank you. I take my job seriously, I want to provide a good experience so I curate my sessions to the client. My Texas regulars were not board members so I wasn't getting reviews, I take care of detail because I appreciate any appointment and I want every person to feel appreciated. Buying lingerie, creating playlist, baking cookies, offering coffee or beer, most of us are trying to provide a unique experience There are some people who don't really take the time to make each session special and though I disagree with the way they operate I understand not everyone will pay attention to detail. From what I've seen so far, all the providers here seem to operate the same way I do. They are active on this board, they take time and give genuine responses and they pay attention to the needs of the members of this board. I'm in good company. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not from your area, so Traitor I be. I'd love to be in your area. The quality of the Ladies and the Service they provide is quite simply put, a bargain. You have some of the nicest women that are Professional yet have the ability to make you feel Special. Come East gentlemen, you will see higher prices, poorer service, and yes attitudes. Costs go up, for the women to raise rates is expected. Long ago there was a Cliche' "You get what you pay for". Personally, higher rates should be accepted and look at it a little differently, appreciated. Higher prices do weed out the "dick picture entourage" and the entitled children. In turn this allows the women to feel better which allows for better sessions. I'd rather have a Tenderloin than a Big Mac. Just saying 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 31, 2017 On 7/29/2017 at 10:59 AM, Bit Banger said: I'm trying to say this w/o sounding snarky because I mean it seriously. Lucy, good economic analysis! Some of the guys may brand me a traitor, but it's about time rates crept up. As Lucy says, Denver rates have always been slightly below the national average. 10-15 years ago a quality 1hr session would cost ~$200. Today that same session cost ~$300. A 50% increase. In 2002 the DOW was in the 8-9K range; yesterday it closed above 21K. A 162% gain Samantha, thank you for pointing out some of you expenses, and how they have changed. I won't get into the 30min vs. longer debate. I just never felt 30min was enough to savor the pleasure of a woman's company. I never do the 30 minute slots because it's to short in my opinion. there is so much great talent here in the 200 to 250 range it would be foolish for me to spend more. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 31, 2017 14 hours ago, boink36 said: I never do the 30 minute slots because it's to short in my opinion. there is so much great talent here in the 200 to 250 range it would be foolish for me to spend more. I agree. I do go higher but it certainly isn't 'necessary'. Just have to know where to look and be a bit more patient. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted July 31, 2017 I've started to leverage the block function in p411. If a provider is above my limit I block/exclude them. It has the advantage of showing only those who are reasonably attainable. Only wish there was a preference that would auto sort so I didn't have to cycle trough their ads. A few A listers have gotten a pass for one or more reasons 😀 Seems better than the the search function as some providers have a discount. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 1, 2017 As a business guy, Ido not understand the economics of a 30 minute session. Obviously, I am not on the provider end of the equation but it seems that the fixed costs of the industry are much disproportional compared to other industries. Additionally, the fixed amount of time to screen, two call, prep for, and clean up after a session would make the 30 minute session nearly cost the same as a one hour session if the margin is going to be maintained. All hourly workers be they providers, doctors, or lawyers face the same challenge of economics. In order to maintain margins you would have to eliminate most variable costs, minimize fixed costs, and as Yorick said you have to move into a lean solution really streamlining the process. Unfortunately, this would mean minimizing incall quality, screening time, and prep clean time to maximize the number of sessions during the day. 30 minutes seems like I would be better off taking care of myself in the shower so I am a bit biased. I prefer sessions of at least two hours. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 4, 2017 It is only logical that ladies will charge as much as they can so long as they have gents that will pay. Same as anyone negotiating a salary at their job. What concerns me more is the rise in GPS and decrease in service. It seems in Denver and further northwest we have a choice between overweight MILFs or overpriced TF. I'm not willing to pay for either so I usually stick with a few local regulars or wait for a visiting Texan gal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 4, 2017 Rates have gone up some, in general. However, the cost of living in Denver is approaching the level of costs on either coast. Hotels are difficult to book both because of rates and more restrictive check-in, check-out times. These factors all play in to what a lady can earn. I have been with a number of ladies and they are working to make ends meet, even if that means, paying tuition and basic living expenses. It is very easy to walk in to a restaurant in Denver and spend over $100.00 for a modest dinner with a few drinks for two. Whatever the budgetary limitations a gentlemen has, in the end, for the marvelous gift a lady makes available, the price is a super bargain. Most of us who have been around would not gain the attention of these marvelous women if there weren't an economic benefit to them. I am grateful that I have a few discretionary dollars that let me appreciate fabulous women, who don't generally give me a second glance at the check out line. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
