Lucy Kitten

off the clock time and extended dates

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So first we have a thread about off the clock time and how so many are cool with it and now we have a thread about extended dates and no one wants to pay for them. I wonder why that is? This group has successfully devalued a product.

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3 hours ago, richinco said:

I'm a singe guy so I can go out with any one I please, I like the idea of hitting a Rockies game, hiking, and for sure fishing since I love bass fishing, but I'm not going to pay a companionship rate for that stuff, I'm already busy with friends & family with that already, but If one of the fine TOB ladies would like top go to dinner, grab some drinks, game, hiking etc and just go out and have some fun getting to know each other that would great, and then finish with standard hourly rate for desert I think it would make the experience even better, and create a great time for the next time when it is just all bout the bedroom

So you don't want to pay for what is part of our services? But are totally cool with it for free cuz you're already busy and stuff? Why should anyone give anything away for free just to make the paid time better? If you don't want to pay for it fine but it's companionship with a provider should be paid for.

I don't want to date anyone so I am not having get to know you drinks off the clock.

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damn lucy you need to chill out!!!! do you charge your friends for your time? I bet you do! 

many ladies on here always say you meet some awesome guys in this business, so why not hang out with them if they please? your getting the activities paid for more than likely unless your fishndude, and your with good company, it doesn't always have to be about money! imagine how much more fun you could have lucy if you just open up your horizon a little.

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6 hours ago, stevie-2249 said:

damn lucy you need to chill out!!!! do you charge your friends for your time? I bet you do! 

many ladies on here always say you meet some awesome guys in this business, so why not hang out with them if they please? your getting the activities paid for more than likely unless your fishndude, and your with good company, it doesn't always have to be about money! imagine how much more fun you could have lucy if you just open up your horizon a little.

If your customers from work, ask you to spend time with them, off the clock, no payment...do you? 

 

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9 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

So first we have a thread about off the clock time and how so many are cool with it and now we have a thread about extended dates and no one wants to pay for them. I wonder why that is? This group has successfully devalued a product.

We, as men, want to believe that you, as women, WANT to spend time with us.

However, that is not the case. You have personal lives, boyfriends, husbands, children, friends, and relatives, that you want to spend off-work hours with.

Just like the rest of us, work hours are for earning money, not playing. Personal hours are for personal lives.

Unfortunately, many of us clients forget that. Although we wouldn't give our work away for free, we hope you escorts will. We keep hoping you're gonna choose to include us in your personal lives.

Eventually, most of us accept reality, but it takes time. 

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27 minutes ago, pfunk said:

If your customers from work, ask you to spend time with them, off the clock, no payment...do you? 

 

i would try to get to know my customers so yes if we got along and connected 

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8 hours ago, stevie-2249 said:

damn lucy you need to chill out!!!! do you charge your friends for your time? I bet you do! 

many ladies on here always say you meet some awesome guys in this business, so why not hang out with them if they please? your getting the activities paid for more than likely unless your fishndude, and your with good company, it doesn't always have to be about money! imagine how much more fun you could have lucy if you just open up your horizon a little.

You're conflating personal friends with business friends. I'm perfectly chill, I just refuse to give away my product for free. I also will keep insisting that money spent is for time and companionship. Why would I want to spend off the clock time with a guy who thinks I'm only worth the hour donation but wants to take several hours of my time. That's not what friends do.

Yes my business is about money, how often do you work for free? And when do you suggest these free meetings take place? During my working hours so I can give up paying clients or during my personal free time? The time I spend with my partner and family? And what do I tell my partner? "I'm gonna go hang out with this dude for the next 5 hours but only get paid for one but it's cool because we're friends". How many hours a week am I supposed to devote to every client who wants to take me out to dinner for free?

You're argument is very one-sided Stevie. It's only from the perspective of the client and what benefit they might get from it. I'm also cool on not opening my horizon as you say. I have plenty of fun getting paid by clients to do fun things and plenty of fun in my personal life. I have a nice balance.

 

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We can fool ourselves all we want, but the truth of the matter is that the BCD event is worth so much to each of us (both client & ASP) and the non-BCD time is worth something else. Non-BCD time may be less valuable for attached fellas and more valuable for attached ladies. The opposite is also true for unattached individuals. 

But there's no need to get our panties in a twist. It's each individual's choice how they want to handle these situations on a case-by-case basis. 

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Lucy,

nobody is asking that of the ladies. I'm 100% sure that in the case of Fishndude he doesn't see married ladies as paid escorts. That's his choice. And I also know that if a lady chooses to go fishing with him that is her choice, and if she said well Fishndude, I'd love to but you need to pay for my time, he would. 

I think people are saying that instead of going on a date and charging their hourly rate for 5 hours of time that they offer it as more of a package deal. I know that I'd rather go to a ball game and dessert after for X amount than sit on my ass at home waiting for the phone to ring. There is NOTHING wrong with that, and well none of anyone's business. But that's how I get repeat business. People are buying me, not my vagina, that's extra. 

So while you're there wondering why you have no call no shows and cancellations, other ladies are busy because they are making money on who they are and not for lying on their backs. We're companions, not whores, and the QUALITY gents know the difference. They like to spend time getting to know us. And yes I still charge my friends. 

As for business and customers and going out for free... it's called schmoosing. Especially if a person works in sales. My brother in law is in sales. He goes out with customers and spends a few thousand on dinner etc, and then rakes it in. It's almost July and he's sold almost a 500 million. 

Are you getting the point yet? Let's try this on for size... you stop judging and telling everyone how to behave and causing arguments in every single thread, and everyone else will continue to have a fun time! In other words, mind your fucking business!!!

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5 minutes ago, Melissa Sterling said:

Lucy,

nobody is asking that of the ladies. I'm 100% sure that in the case of Fishndude he doesn't see married ladies as paid escorts. That's his choice. And I also know that if a lady chooses to go fishing with him that is her choice, and if she said well Fishndude, I'd love to but you need to pay for my time, he would. 

I think people are saying that instead of going on a date and charging their hourly rate for 5 hours of time that they offer it as more of a package deal. I know that I'd rather go to a ball game and dessert after for X amount than sit on my ass at home waiting for the phone to ring. There is NOTHING wrong with that, and well none of anyone's business. But that's how I get repeat business. People are buying me, not my vagina, that's extra. 

So while you're there wondering why you have no call no shows and cancellations, other ladies are busy because they are making money on who they are and not for lying on their backs. We're companions, not whores, and the QUALITY gents know the difference. They like to spend time getting to know us. And yes I still charge my friends. 

As for business and customers and going out for free... it's called schmoosing. Especially if a person works in sales. My brother in law is in sales. He goes out with customers and spends a few thousand on dinner etc, and then rakes it in. It's almost July and he's sold almost a 500 million. 

Are you getting the point yet? Let's try this on for size... you stop judging and telling everyone how to behave and causing arguments in every single thread, and everyone else will continue to have a fun time! In other words, mind your fucking business!!!

BOOM ^^^^ This!

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9 minutes ago, Melissa Sterling said:

Lucy,

So while you're there wondering why you have no call no shows and cancellations, other ladies are busy because they are making money on who they are and not for lying on their backs. We're companions, not whores, and the QUALITY gents know the difference. They like to spend time getting to know us. And yes I still charge my friends. 

As for business and customers and going out for free... it's called schmoosing. 

Are you getting the point yet? Let's try this on for size... you stop judging and telling everyone how to behave and causing arguments in every single thread, and everyone else will continue to have a fun time! In other words, mind your fucking business!!!

    Surprised that Lucy gets any business,considering the nature of her threads.  Well said Melissa.

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When Laci started that thread, it was supposed to be a fun thread about fun things to do instead of just a standard bedroom encounter.

If a lady chooses to spend time off the clock with a guy, it is her business, and should be able to do so without being ostracized by those who don't.

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48 minutes ago, JRWolfe said:

    Surprised that Lucy gets any business,considering the nature of her threads.  Well said Melissa.

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Lucy,

While  im sure you are a very talented lady and do pretty well in this business, I can't help but think how much better you would probably do if you would just open up your mind a little and not be so fast to jump on people because they have different views than yourself. There is a way to RESPECTFULLY disagree with a person without railing on them. I can only hope your personality in person is much different than the one you display here on this forum. I would be willing to bet ( I realize there is no way to confirm this) that those ladies on this board who are open minded and display a much nicer attitude than yourself are much more successful in this business. I would think that the ladies who do best in this business are the ones who keep us clients really wanting to come back over and over again. I know I personally need to make a connection with someone who has an upbeat pleasant personality, not just looks and talent in order for me to make a return visit. 

I realize you are going to think this is a personal attack on you but I am just asking you to reflect on how you come across on this forum.

Before I started posting on TOB, I sat back and read a lot and studied some of the personalities on here and how they conducted themselves. I did this for a few months and All of your posts take a similar turn. Whether you want to agree with me or not, I invite you to look back at the history of your post and see for yourself and then you decide if it is true or no.

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One of the truly wonderful aspects of this hobby is that sometimes a real connection is made that goes beyond just the business realtionship.  If there's a connection, and a level of trust is established, there are many ways that the business relationship can be enhanced with a deeper connection.  I have helped ladies with various chores, fixing cars, shopping for tires for their cars, helping their mothers buy cars.  In return, I have also enjoyed, off the clock time or negotiated rates for extended engagements that include travel and fun adventures.  I have found a method that works with some ladies to establish a value for extended dates.  I ask the lady if she goes on a trip with me, how many appointments she would miss as a result of being with me for an extended period.  I know it differs from lady to lady, but many ladies, that I have been involved with, come up with a number of appointments, say two a day or whatever.  That then forms the basis for negotiating an amount for the extended visit.  In addition to any fees invovled, I always pay all the travel expenses and miscellaneous items that come up on an extended date.  When I travel with a lady, I also like to do a little shopping with them.  Maybe a sexy outfit or books or records that they want.  I always enjoy stepping in to a dressing room and helping a lady decide on which dress best compliments her beauty.  I don't agree with Lucy that a less strict dollar for minute of time demeans the commodity.  I think if you move beyond that thinking, then the important thing becomes enjoying each other not as commodities but as human beings and the  gentleman also takes care of the economic realities that the ladies need to recieve enough financial support to pay their bills and feel good about the experience and the transaction.

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I always wanted to take a cruise with a beautiful provider but didn't want to spend a few thousand dollars extra on top of the trip to bring her, and of course it would have to be some one I am comfortable with 

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14 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

So first we have a thread about off the clock time and how so many are cool with it and now we have a thread about extended dates and no one wants to pay for them. I wonder why that is? This group has successfully devalued a product.

Well, Lucy, if you want to consider yourself to be a product, I guess that is your right.  On the other hand, some of the other ladies actually consider themselves to be people who actually occasionally form a friendship with their clients and want to spend a little "non-fucking" time together without renumeration.  I don't see how this in any way devalues you as a product.  You have made it very clear that, functioning strictly as a sex product, you have no interest in forming any other form of relationship with the purchasers of your product, I imagine the feeling is largely mutual.

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18 minutes ago, time4fun said:
18 minutes ago, time4fun said:

... the important thing becomes enjoying each other not as commodities but as human beings and the  gentleman also takes care of the economic realities that the ladies need to recieve enough financial support to pay their bills and feel good about the experience and the transaction.

 

^^ this ^^

When & where I was raised, gentlemen take care of ladies. Yes, I know that's considered misogynistic these days, but it establishes clearly defined roles in a relationship. 

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28 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

... establishes clearly defined roles in a relationship. 

For my extended travel dates, I provide a written contract which specifies my responsibilities and hers. We both sign & keep a copy indicating that we understand our respective roles. (Interestingly, these documents have never mentioned BCD activities.)

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In response to the question about a regular business person spending (or not spending) time otc with their customers... Hopefully this comes across as relevant, lol...

Before making this my primary gig, I worked in advertising sales for a regional magazine. All I HAD to do was go in, present the product, close the sale and move on. But I CHOSE to spend time getting to know my customers, going to lunch, etc. My commission did not change because of the extra time I spent, but my retention rate was phenomenal. That extra bit of otc time spent in the beginning made my job leaps and bounds easier down the road. When the other sales staff were busting their butts every month trying to find new business because half of their previous accts moved on, my acct base continued to grow at a nice easy pace and eventually, I was getting paid my monthly commissions just for having lunch with my new friends and maintaining their loyalty to our product. The same philosophy applies here. Its a twist on the 'work smarter, not harder' concept. 

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While I don't believe we should be policing each other's run of business, I also don't think any provider should be seen as snooty or lacking compassion for keeping her rates in place for activities outside of the bedroom. If I wanted to hang out and be given whatever the gentleman feels I've earned, I'd go be a sugar baby to some Hefner in Cali. 

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4 hours ago, Melissa Sterling said:

Lucy,

nobody is asking that of the ladies. I'm 100% sure that in the case of Fishndude he doesn't see married ladies as paid escorts. That's his choice. And I also know that if a lady chooses to go fishing with him that is her choice, and if she said well Fishndude, I'd love to but you need to pay for my time, he would. 

I think people are saying that instead of going on a date and charging their hourly rate for 5 hours of time that they offer it as more of a package deal. I know that I'd rather go to a ball game and dessert after for X amount than sit on my ass at home waiting for the phone to ring. There is NOTHING wrong with that, and well none of anyone's business. But that's how I get repeat business. People are buying me, not my vagina, that's extra. 

So while you're there wondering why you have no call no shows and cancellations, other ladies are busy because they are making money on who they are and not for lying on their backs. We're companions, not whores, and the QUALITY gents know the difference. They like to spend time getting to know us. And yes I still charge my friends. 

As for business and customers and going out for free... it's called schmoosing. Especially if a person works in sales. My brother in law is in sales. He goes out with customers and spends a few thousand on dinner etc, and then rakes it in. It's almost July and he's sold almost a 500 million. 

Are you getting the point yet? Let's try this on for size... you stop judging and telling everyone how to behave and causing arguments in every single thread, and everyone else will continue to have a fun time! In other words, mind your fucking business!!!

LOL ok you don't like my opinions feel free to move on. This is a discussion board is it not? Maybe take your own advice and mind my business. I didn't address you personally or mention your name so why do you feel the need to call me out? I'm not wondering why I have cancellations and no shows and based on that thread I am definitely not the only one but kudos to you for trying to use it as an insult. That was a little judgemental was it not?

You also pretty much said what I already said that we are more than just services and deserve to get paid for them.That there are discounted rates for longer sessions. You charge your friends like I charge my friends so tell me what exactly your problem is? I get that it's cool to hate on Lucy but do you even know why you're doing it?

I don't need to schmooze, if that's you're choice great but I don't do it. But again thanks for the judgement. If schmoozing got me 500 million I'd do it but I'm not schmoozing to get someone to pay my regular rate. If you want to give it up for free that's fine but that's not my choice so again take your own advice and maybe don't tell people what to do?

Are you getting the point? You just did exactly what you told me not to do and were really rude about it too. Maybe there wouldn't be arguments if you weren't there in every thread telling me what a bitch I am. Thanks to you this turned into an I hate Lucy thread. So how about instead of you telling me how wrong you think I am you actually engage in a conversation instead of posting insults for the likes. There is a mute button and anyone who doesn't like what I have to say is free to use it or engage in conversation but throwing out insults is not the way to do it.

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3 hours ago, H2Opieluver said:

Lucy,

While  im sure you are a very talented lady and do pretty well in this business, I can't help but think how much better you would probably do if you would just open up your mind a little and not be so fast to jump on people because they have different views than yourself. There is a way to RESPECTFULLY disagree with a person without railing on them. I can only hope your personality in person is much different than the one you display here on this forum. I would be willing to bet ( I realize there is no way to confirm this) that those ladies on this board who are open minded and display a much nicer attitude than yourself are much more successful in this business. I would think that the ladies who do best in this business are the ones who keep us clients really wanting to come back over and over again. I know I personally need to make a connection with someone who has an upbeat pleasant personality, not just looks and talent in order for me to make a return visit. 

I realize you are going to think this is a personal attack on you but I am just asking you to reflect on how you come across on this forum.

Before I started posting on TOB, I sat back and read a lot and studied some of the personalities on here and how they conducted themselves. I did this for a few months and All of your posts take a similar turn. Whether you want to agree with me or not, I invite you to look back at the history of your post and see for yourself and then you decide if it is true or no.

I did respectfully disagree, show me the insults? And it is a personal attack but it's cool because that's the rule. I was on topic you all turned this into a Lucy is a bitch thread. I am well aware of what I post and I am well aware of the even harsher insults and entire threads devoted to Lucy hating for voicing my opinions. Like I've already said to Melissa, you're free to ignore my opinions. Or if you feel the need to type out some diatribe you can send it to me personally.

I am well aware of what I post and what I say. I am very careful when I choose my words. Sorry that when you guys don't agree with me that this is your response but never forget that turning it into and insult filled "argument" wasn't done by me. I don't apologize for the stance I take because all I really care about are providers being safe and prosperous.

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How about all you Lucy haters actually try a different approach and try and have a conversation? You all are so comfortable running your mouths about me but you never really do it at me. So your assumptions are your own and it's not really me who needs to change when none of you make any effort and are so quick to jump one the hateful Lucy bandwagon. There is zero incentive for me to change when you all feel that these shaming threads are necessary. Why should I engage if you don't?

I attack ideas you all are comfortable attacking people. Maybe it really isn't me that needs to reevaluate.

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Lucy,

What can I say, I'm a giver. I at least gave it the old try. Thought maybe you might reflect a little, but if you genuinely think that you don't need to adjust your attitude in order to possibly increase your business then "You be You"

I'm really starting to think that maybe, just maybe this is all an act because you truly enjoy stirring the pot to get a reaction. I must say, you are very good at it. I for one will no longer take the bait . Peace out or maybe I should say it this way so you can better understand

Whatever Dude

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8 hours ago, pfunk said:

If your customers from work, ask you to spend time with them, off the clock, no payment...do you? 

 

Yes, I frequently did during my consulting days. Company softball leagues, lunch, drinks & parties after work, other team building events - all off the clock. While attendees were co-workers, they were also customers because their company paid my company for my services.

The lines can get blurry. 20+ years later I still see some of these folks. Just as years after their retirement I still spend time with some of my escort friends. 

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55 minutes ago, Vegas Jen-5884 said:

In response to the question about a regular business person spending (or not spending) time otc with their customers... Hopefully this comes across as relevant, lol...

Before making this my primary gig, I worked in advertising sales for a regional magazine. All I HAD to do was go in, present the product, close the sale and move on. But I CHOSE to spend time getting to know my customers, going to lunch, etc. My commission did not change because of the extra time I spent, but my retention rate was phenomenal. That extra bit of otc time spent in the beginning made my job leaps and bounds easier down the road. When the other sales staff were busting their butts every month trying to find new business because half of their previous accts moved on, my acct base continued to grow at a nice easy pace and eventually, I was getting paid my monthly commissions just for having lunch with my new friends and maintaining their loyalty to our product. The same philosophy applies here. Its a twist on the 'work smarter, not harder' concept. 

Exactly. If I actually got paid for every hour I spent working for, or spending time with my clients I would be a millionaire many times over.  It about creating a good experience for my client so they will keep coming back to me for service again and again. 

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8 hours ago, pfunk said:

If your customers from work, ask you to spend time with them, off the clock, no payment...do you? 

 

All the time.  That is why they remain my customers. 

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23 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

How about all you Lucy haters actually try a different approach and try and have a conversation? You all are so comfortable running your mouths about me but you never really do it at me. So your assumptions are your own and it's not really me who needs to change when none of you make any effort and are so quick to jump one the hateful Lucy bandwagon. There is zero incentive for me to change when you all feel that these shaming threads are necessary. Why should I engage if you don't?

I attack ideas you all are comfortable attacking people. Maybe it really isn't me that needs to reevaluate.

In re the OP: 

While I think there will always be a large part of the constituency on TOB that will take every opportunity for self promotion/status bullshit regardless of which side of the envelope, there will always be a much larger community outside this fishbowl that eschews the nonsense that is prevalent here.

It's too bad that as one of the few women that choose to use this as a forum vs a free advertising source, there are a cadre of hypocrites that seem to respond negatively to just about every post you make. 

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16 minutes ago, MrReindeer-9515 said:

In re the OP: 

While I think there will always be a large part of the constituency on TOB that will take every opportunity for self promotion/status bullshit regardless of which side of the envelope, there will always be a much larger community outside this fishbowl that eschews the nonsense that is prevalent here.

It's too bad that as one of the few women that choose to use this as a forum vs a free advertising source, there are a cadre of hypocrites that seem to respond negatively to just about every post you make. 

Oh we have another Rudolph sighting!

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