Lucy Kitten

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Ladies,

What we need is a platform for providers to have dialogues on these issues then concurrently execute new standards across the board. We do this, the ball is back in our court. Then, we can all confidently tell the time wasters, cheapskates & other undesirables to roll with it or roll on over to the crack & crank hos.

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5 minutes ago, Adriana Caliste said:

Ladies,

What we need is a platform for providers to have dialogues on these issues then concurrently execute new standards across the board. We do this, the ball is back in our court. Then, we can all confidently tell the time wasters, cheapskates & other undesirables to roll with it or roll on over to the crack & crank hos.

Err that may violate my rights under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act :rolleyes:

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We're breaking all the rules on both sides anyway, Fishndude😝

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1 hour ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Uh well that's why deposits are a good idea to protect ourselves from assholes.

It's a trust issue, Lucy. While ladies such as yourself have many good reviews, not everyone is reputable. I'd have no issue with the deposit if I could be assured I wasn't going to get ripped off. Since such assurances are impossible an across the board mandate for  deposits are not practical for most clients. I am open to reasonable alternative suggestions if any exist.

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1 hour ago, Adriana Caliste said:

Ladies,

What we need is a platform for providers to have dialogues on these issues then concurrently execute new standards across the board. We do this, the ball is back in our court. Then, we can all confidently tell the time wasters, cheapskates & other undesirables to roll with it or roll on over to the crack & crank hos.

The "crack & crank ho's"? Who are referring to? Ladies without reviews? Backpage? Judging by what I see from you, you are not reputable either. I see no reviews here of you. Who would trust you enough to leave you a deposit? I certainly wouldn't. Judging by other comments I wouldn't be the only one. 

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On 6/8/2017 at 11:40 AM, tide32 said:

:rolleyes:

What about frequent fucker miles or even a punch ticket system.  :P

This one is my favorite quote of the day! 

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On 6/5/2017 at 8:13 PM, Lucy Kitten said:

Venmo is worth considering. PayPal unfortunately is not provider friendly. Do you know anything about Gift Rocket?

You providers need to take Bitcoin !  It's easy... and insane how much it has appreciated in value this year.

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1 hour ago, Vassago said:

It's a trust issue, Lucy. While ladies such as yourself have many good reviews, not everyone is reputable. I'd have no issue with the deposit if I could be assured I wasn't going to get ripped off. Since such assurances are impossible an across the board mandate for  deposits are not practical for most clients. I am open to reasonable alternative suggestions if any exist.

I get that it's about trust but let's think about this for a minute most ladies who are going to take the time and effort to screen and charge their clients a deposit aren't going to rip you off. It seems like an easy opportunity to rip someone off but it's really not. You have to get to a point in business where you've established your reputation before you can consider something like that. Most unestablished providers aren't even going to consider it because they're still learning.

Short of deposits I don't have many alternative suggestions, that's what works for most business that require reservations. Cancellation fees are a joke as they're impossible to collect. Blacklisting is useless, public shaming is tasteless. I really feel that the only way to get clients to understand and appreciate the value of our time is to financially penalize.

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4 minutes ago, cuddlybear99 said:

You providers need to take Bitcoin !  It's easy... and insane how much it has appreciated in value this year.

Bitcoin doesn't turn into cash quickly or easily enough.

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35 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Bitcoin doesn't turn into cash quickly or easily enough.

So you've tried it?  FWIW, Coinbase has an instant transfer (cash out) feature now.

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5 minutes ago, cuddlybear99 said:

So you've tried it?  FWIW, Coinbase has an instant transfer (cash out) feature now.

I have only ever used to pay for things because with all the credit card drama a lot of adult sites are only taking bitcoin. To be totally honest I think it's too complicated for your average provider, I'm pretty smart and find it to be confusing at times. My big concern is it's varying value, I don't think that any provider is going to be dealing with enough money that it would be a huge deal but it's definitely one of those things that adds to the confusion. I was also reading a while back on Reason.com I think about one of the bitcoin wallets being under investigation of sorts. The gist was that they were looking for those that transferred large amounts without claiming the funds. That isn't really a problem for providers but from what I understand those in charge of the investigation wanted user lists that could potentially have some serious impact.

I don't know how I really feel about bitcoin. I am hesitant about it not because of what it is but how it's viewed by those that control the money.

 

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38 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

I have only ever used to pay for things because with all the credit card drama a lot of adult sites are only taking bitcoin. To be totally honest I think it's too complicated for your average provider, I'm pretty smart and find it to be confusing at times. My big concern is it's varying value, I don't think that any provider is going to be dealing with enough money that it would be a huge deal but it's definitely one of those things that adds to the confusion. I was also reading a while back on Reason.com I think about one of the bitcoin wallets being under investigation of sorts. The gist was that they were looking for those that transferred large amounts without claiming the funds. That isn't really a problem for providers but from what I understand those in charge of the investigation wanted user lists that could potentially have some serious impact.

I don't know how I really feel about bitcoin. I am hesitant about it not because of what it is but how it's viewed by those that control the money.

 

All valid points.  I don't find it any harder to use than Walmart pay .. both are based on scanning QR codes in all the latest wallets so it's simple, but understanding what a Bitcoin "wallet" is (really just a long acct number stored in an App protected with a password) and how the transactions are processed is a hurdle to get over.  But it's not much different than a credit card transaction in complexity.  And then how to convert it to (and from) USD with your bank account via ACH (electronic check) through an exchange is an additional layer that can make it hard to use for everyday stuff.  (coinbase.com is a legit exchange FWIW.)

The price fluctuations lately have been straight up.  Exchange rate right now is $2818 / bitcoin.

I would *love* to use it for the hobby because of it's cash-like anonymous nature, but I know I'm in a minority (if not the only one here).  As a provider perhaps you'd love it because it can't be charged back (reversed) like Credit Cards, i.e., it's like cash, once the bitcoin transaction is confirmed and in your account, it's yours, no charge-backs.  That's nice for those deposits you're talking about since I would not expect you'd be getting those in cash.  Anyway...  my $0.02.

PS:  I just renewed P411 with Bitcoin.

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FWIW I just used Square Cash to leave a deposit with a local Domme. I was put off by the fact that you had to use a debit card, but I've kept an eye on my account and nothing out of the way has happened.

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19 hours ago, Vassago said:

The "crack & crank ho's"? Who are referring to? Ladies without reviews? Backpage? Judging by what I see from you, you are not reputable either. I see no reviews here of you. Who would trust you enough to leave you a deposit? I certainly wouldn't. Judging by other comments I wouldn't be the only one. 

I don't have any reviews AND post on backpage so please get your panties out of your butt, Vassago. I'm going to give you a pass because my post obviously went over your head. It was intended for the ladies.

The crack & crank hos I was refering to is the ONLY ladies in this business not concerned about issues that effect all sex workers.

I never said deposits was best solution. I said we (ladies) have a problem and need a platform where we can brainstorm solutions through dialogue.

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On 6/9/2017 at 11:48 AM, time4fun said:

We are not talking about hotel rooms or airplane reservations.  Many who book appointments do so at a personal risk to whatever domestic or work situation they might be invovled in.  I have said to many ladies that they are running a travel agency, with bookings to take all kinds of customers to wonderful places of pleasure. However, those who are booking, are doing so within the context of  an unregulated industry that also has to carry the burden of severe social approbation.  I have had to cancel appointments on reatlively short notice for a variety of reasons:  illness, sudden changes in my work schedule that didn't leave the opportunity for cover excuses, unplanned arrival of the SO, unclear booking or locational directions.  I think the ladies deserve the utmost consideration if an appointment has to change but because of the somewhat clandestine nature of the business, the ladies also recieve a higher hourly rate than that paid for most daylight jobs.  That is the trade off, and I like to think that because they do recieve a relatively high hourly rate for their services, that the rate for fulfilled appointments compensates them for the unavoidable vairaibility of other appointments that don't culminate in payment.  It's a risky business for both providers and partakers and if everyone tries their best to live up to standards of courtesy and concern for each other's situation, that is better than thinking that deposits will mitigate the lack of courtesy that some clients and ladies show.  I have waited in uncomfortable settings for ladies to answer their phones or to be told that while there was a set time, that time is now moved out some distance.  Because the process of obtaining the companionship of another person, for what might described as illegal activities, is so fragile, I think the best antidote for lack of consideration is to be punctual and forthiright if circumstacnes force a change in arrangement.  I also have compensated ladies for lost time in situations where I felt their loss was my fault and I should consider that part of the overhead of having this hobby.  However, this hobby is still more interesting and exciting than golf.  If you reserve a green and don't show up, they'll charge you if you didn't contact the golf club in advance.

i don't normally get into a negative debate in these forums, however some of your points are outrageous. I'm sure you did not mean to offend anyone, and are a perfectly nice person. 

As I stated earlier, we really are not making as much $$$ per hour as you assume. Advertising is a HUGE expense, the time that is required for screening, placing ads, attending to email, text, phone messages etc, means that we are not being paid for just the hour, as preparation actually consumes a bunch of our time. Let's not forget the physical preparation in getting clean, pretty and ensuring that our environment that we host in is top notch, the expense for the "supplies", the beverages,expensive linens, and toiletries to make your meeting a nice one. 

Oh did we forget that I am sharing my body? This is not a job that we obtain an education for, and do for the next 50 years with a 401k, health insurance etc. The shelf life of an escort is shorter than a project manager or attorney. We charge more than your profession does to pay for our own 401k, health insurance, and have funds for a transition period.

I am not complaining by any means. This is my choice, and I enjoy my choice and "job". I just want to point out to some who think that it's ok to cancel and treat my time as not important as theirs, that there is a lot that you are not aware of, and do not consider. Men have often mentioned that they wish they could have my job. While the sex, connections, and intimacy are wonderful, there is a lot of expense and preparation that go into making it a wonderful experience for y'all. 

This being said, most of the guys are truly sweet, considerate and generous, and an absolute joy. xoxo

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On 6/9/2017 at 3:32 PM, Vassago said:

It's a trust issue, Lucy. While ladies such as yourself have many good reviews, not everyone is reputable. I'd have no issue with the deposit if I could be assured I wasn't going to get ripped off. Since such assurances are impossible an across the board mandate for  deposits are not practical for most clients. I am open to reasonable alternative suggestions if any exist.

Oh, I will rip it off!!! Oh, wait you meant money. MY BAD!!! :o

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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23 hours ago, cuddlybear99 said:

All valid points.  I don't find it any harder to use than Walmart pay .. both are based on scanning QR codes in all the latest wallets so it's simple, but understanding what a Bitcoin "wallet" is (really just a long acct number stored in an App protected with a password) and how the transactions are processed is a hurdle to get over.  But it's not much different than a credit card transaction in complexity.  And then how to convert it to (and from) USD with your bank account via ACH (electronic check) through an exchange is an additional layer that can make it hard to use for everyday stuff.  (coinbase.com is a legit exchange FWIW.)

The price fluctuations lately have been straight up.  Exchange rate right now is $2818 / bitcoin.

I would *love* to use it for the hobby because of it's cash-like anonymous nature, but I know I'm in a minority (if not the only one here).  As a provider perhaps you'd love it because it can't be charged back (reversed) like Credit Cards, i.e., it's like cash, once the bitcoin transaction is confirmed and in your account, it's yours, no charge-backs.  That's nice for those deposits you're talking about since I would not expect you'd be getting those in cash.  Anyway...  my $0.02.

PS:  I just renewed P411 with Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is kind of cool. So far, I am up in value for my coin, but it could go down too so I take a bit out here and there for credit to places like BP, TNA, etc.

Something guys don't know is that BP is being cracked down on pretty hard, and it is getting more difficult for us ladies to advertise there. I am wondering how much longer BP is going to deal with the brick walls, and yes, this will eventually affect everyone in some way. Also, BP is the most expensive advertising area for us ladies out there.

As Audrey said, we take a good majority of time prepping for our appts then we do the actual work. It takes me anywhere from 5-60 minutes advertising depending on what I am putting up or what I need to fix, upgrade, update, etc. Then I have calls to answer, references to check, emails to get back to, sheets to clean, floors and counter to clean, shower to take, hair to dry(mine takes 10 minutes), makeup to put on, dress or lingerie to squeeze into, make sure my breath and coochie are fresh, and I am then answering my phone and bringing in a client. There are more hours spent answering dumb questions, and research then there is in actual play which I think is why some girls hire someone to do that stuff. I have seriously considered it, but my skills are so honed that I am afraid someone wouldn't be as good as me so it is me, and me alone doing it all. I know I am NOT the only lady!

I think the deposit would be a great idea except that clients get stupid as soon as they have to put money down beforehand even though with some of us ladies(that obviously take this seriously)they should know better that we would never affect the integrity of our reputation. That is the biggest problem is that no matter how much us ladies show our professionalism, integrity, hundreds of great reviews...clients will still think we are going to flake on them, and it hurts us ladies that actually take great pride in our work. My chiropractor I have to pay in advance, my atorney gets paid in advance too, and I also know mechanics that do the same thing as well. I take their word and the reviews presented about their work as face value, and *knock on wood* haven't been disappointed by them yet. So why is it different here? We don't get paid a salary, it is strictly commission so when we don't get work, we don't get paid. When we lose a decent appointment that is money that we expected, we can't just remedy that with another client on the spot.

I agree with Lucy that something needs to be done...I continuously get prescheduled cancelings on me too, and they tend to be my biggest appointments which hurt. I actually inwardly cringe when someone wants to prebook anymore because it usually doesn't pan out. That is pretty sad!

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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10 hours ago, SultryKitten said:

 

I think the deposit would be a great idea except that clients get stupid as soon as they have to put money down beforehand 

   What you good professional ladies tend to forget,is that for every one of YOU, there are a dozen that take the deposit and pull a nc/ns.

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1 hour ago, JRWolfe said:

   What you good professional ladies tend to forget,is that for every one of YOU, there are a dozen that take the deposit and pull a nc/ns.

Complete and utter bullshit! You have no statistics to back this up. No hard evidence. No one here knows how many deposit/NCNS have ever happened. Please, stick to what you actually know.  Geez!

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1 hour ago, JRWolfe said:

   What you good professional ladies tend to forget,is that for every one of YOU, there are a dozen that take the deposit and pull a nc/ns.

I would disagree with "...there are a dozen...". It just seems that way because the C&D experiences & reviews stick in our minds while for well behaved YL this issue fades into the woodwork. 

Have I experienced C&D? YES!

Have I paid deposits w/o a problem? Also yes. 

Have I paid a deposit and experienced NC/NS? No. But then again I'm very careful about to whom I give a deposit. 

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12 minutes ago, pfunk said:

Complete and utter bullshit! You have no statistics to back this up. No hard evidence. No one here knows how many deposit/NCNS have ever happened. Please, stick to what you actually know.  Geez!

       Based my comment on several things. During my decades at the Oyster,heard about nc/ns with deposits often from customers that complained about ads. Even though the paper had nothing to do with running those businesses.  During my DJ years in the strip clubs,girls took deposits pulled a nc/ns and angry clients would storm the club ,only to be thrown out. Reading the nc/ns complaints on this board. Ran an agency and the number two phone call we got every day was that a girl played a nc/ns (that they got elsewhere ) and could we help out and send someone over. Plus,factor in how many complaints about nc/ns have been posted on this board and in reviews since I joined. Only fake pictures and "new to town " posts have seemed to be more frequent.

 

 

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After three pages of posts I can sum this thread up with a single picture.....................................:D

 

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1 hour ago, pfunk said:

Complete and utter bullshit! You have no statistics to back this up. No hard evidence. No one here knows how many deposit/NCNS have ever happened. Please, stick to what you actually know.  Geez!

MR white night himself comes to the rescue. 🤣

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On 6/9/2017 at 7:40 PM, cuddlybear99 said:

You providers need to take Bitcoin !  It's easy... and insane how much it has appreciated in value this year.

I was thinking about posting something like this a couple days ago. I think as a deposit, it would be perfect as it can be done anonymously. But I wouldn't want to do everything on that platform. That's an investment acct for me, so I prefer not to touch it... Cash is king for the day to day stuff...

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