Lucy Kitten

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I am not opposed to the idea of a deposit, if it is a lady I believe I can trust and the deposit is not too high - say a $50 cancellation fee.  But if deposit became universal, there is no way I would pay in advance to an unreviewed and unknown-to-me provider off BP or even here.  That would wipe out half of my adventures! :cool:   If a known lady with reviews and a good reputation and she has a way to pay that is largely discreet I do not have an issue with a reasonable deposit.   Also, if I plan to see her again, I have no issue letting it ride toward the next appointment request.

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44 minutes ago, stevie-2249 said:

hey Lucy, just like Chrissy maybe you could get another job instead of strictly depending on this profession to be supported? I would think alot of ladies do this for extra income for play money.

Yeah, Lucy, hell maybe you should get TWO jobs and make enough money you don't give shit and don't have time to escort anyway. Better yet buy lots of lottery tickets and when you hit it big you can just give it (sex) away cause  us guys are just such jewels to be with and see. <dripping sarcasm font off>

Holy shit Stevie, how does being less dependent on the income make it any more excusable for a guy to ncns a lady, waste her time and prevent her using the time to schedule with someone that is not a jackass?  The point of the deposit would be to salvage something out of the wasted time and to discourage guys from scheduling when they don't really mean it.

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2 hours ago, gr8owl said:

Yeah, Lucy, hell maybe you should get TWO jobs and make enough money you don't give shit and don't have time to escort anyway. Better yet buy lots of lottery tickets and when you hit it big you can just give it (sex) away cause  us guys are just such jewels to be with and see. <dripping sarcasm font off>

Holy shit Stevie, how does being less dependent on the income make it any more excusable for a guy to ncns a lady, waste her time and prevent her using the time to schedule with someone that is not a jackass?  The point of the deposit would be to salvage something out of the wasted time and to discourage guys from scheduling when they don't really mean it.

what I'm saying is maybe if lucy has a real job like alot of other ladies then she might not depend on all her income from this hobby and she might be able to eat? chances of her getting deposits from from are probably slim to none 

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3 hours ago, stevie-2249 said:

hey Lucy, just like Chrissy maybe you could get another job instead of strictly depending on this profession to be supported? I would think alot of ladies do this for extra income for play money.

I usually don't get involved in the drama on this forum but that was a shitty thing to say. More ladies depend on this profession full time than not. Why? We rather depend on OURSELVES  for support over "the man" who can lay us off or fire us at anytime for any reason. You guys are so full of yourselves sometimes. 

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19 minutes ago, stevie-2249 said:

what I'm saying is maybe if lucy has a real job like alot of other ladies then she might not depend on all her income from this hobby and she might be able to eat? chances of her getting deposits from from are probably slim to none 

I have a real job thank you very much. I have been doing this full time for 7 years without the need of a "real" job and I think after all that time clients should know and appreciate that this is my full time gig. So rather than actually get clients to act like decent people I should just get a second job and let them continue to be flaky assholes? That makes no sense.

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4 hours ago, Chrissy said:

I just canceled Last minute, well actually same day, hours in advance on Two this week  After I paid for auto posts for 5 days!! :(  Life happens..There for I do not do the deposit thing.

I work a real life job and that always comes first, so if I have to pick up another shift on short notice I do so, if I start  my "monthly" a few days in advance no explanation needed to the strangers here..Yet I offer an explanation if I cancel..(but will leave out the monthly explanation. LOL)  

 Also this last week alone!  I hAve had guys lie about being members here when trying to book in advance..(when asked they say "no just saw your ad").Guys who say they have no phone service at their place in the hills..guys who have used fAke references ,,guys who have given fake money and guys just be pure rude ass hats this past two weeks.guys have me drive all the way to boulder to NOT be home or send me on a dry run..

(Thinks its the full moon?) 

;)

IMO If a lady chooses to cancel and actuAlly lets you know, I see no issue, call someone else. if n explanation was offered take it and move on, try to book another day that  is less hectic for both parties. . If not and just NEVER  heard from her.. Ok that was shitty.. 

But  an entire week of cancellations is rough for anY business on any side of the wall. I hate that happens..

 

Well this isn't really about ladies canceling it's about clients canceling. Life happens I get that but as someone who does this full time I have to protect my interests. If it was just one week of cancellations I would just deal with it but this has become a ongoing problem. If this isn't your full time gig then we are in different situations. By just shrugging it off because you have another job doesn't help the ladies that do this full time. It allows clients to think that they're behavior isn't really the problem.

If we don't force clients to be respectful of our time that hurts us all. And if we continue to let them take advantage of our time without penalty what else will they take advantage of?

 

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I understand your frustration with NCNS and last minute calls, as a self employed mechanic for longer than I care to admit I know none of my customers would even think about paying a deposit, ( Hell most dont even want to pay diagnostic when they dont fix the car).  

I would not ever pay a deposit

 

Just my 2 cents

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I can see a deposit request for a longer appointment or an overnight. I can't see it working with one hour appointments. JMO

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Hobby guy rule of thumb........Don't leave a deposit, don't pay for a session in advance, and don't ever pay for future sessions during the current session. if you are scheduling for a full day or vacation with a provider you trust I can see leaving a deposit. 

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9 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

So rather than actually get clients to act like decent people I should just get a second job and let them continue to be flaky assholes? That makes no sense.

What do you expect? Stevie just isn't that bright...:D

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Until this hobby gets legitimized and becomes an official profession under the eyes of the law there's no way of really successfully cracking down on this for either side. It will continue to happen, just have to hope this rough stretch for you ends. 

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On 6/5/2017 at 6:56 PM, JoDoe27 said:

I prefer PayPal, but I've also got a Venmo account. Venmo asks 0 questions and looks like you can damn near put almost anything you want for the usernames and so on. You do have to put a description for each transaction but they seriously don't care what you put. 

For those who are concerned about PayPal, I would be leary of Venmo as well since its owned by PayPal... Personally, I have used PayPal with a few of my trusted regular clients just fine. That said, it's been so random and spaced out that it probably didn't raise any red flags. For those who don't understand why so many ladies are anti-PayPal, what COULD go wrong with (and I have heard of this happening to a few ladies) is if a client logs a complaint or for whatever reason PayPal detects suspicious activity, they will freeze the acct pending an investigation. If they determine any of the the money in the acct was obtained illegally, they will seize the entire acct and everything in it will be lost permanently. That's a terrifying prospect and a risk not worth taking, imo... 

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Just not going to sugar coat the Denver BS.

Every time I see posts like this one, and many other posts similar to this by lots of different girls just reinforces the fact that the fuckery in Denver never ends and as few others have said on here it's only gotten worse.  

I'm so glad that I stoped posting on TER/ECCIE/Backpage and I started my own two business and got job. Cancellation or provider drama on me all you want I no longer give a rats. Haven't had the time. I don't care 🤷‍♀️ anymore. My bills are paid no matter weather clients show up or not. Because this not my only source of income. I dont have to deal with all bullshit drama anymore. I don't have the extra time to even give a rats. The day I stopped caring ✋ and took step back, was the day I was set free. 

I gotta tell you this was the best decision I ever made. Unfortunately I am constantly reading on tob a lot girls going through heartache with all the constant drama with all the fuckery going on in Denver. I'm great full I've been blessed to have come across other opportunities. Now when I see guys its all for fun and the money is a perk. It's no longer necessary for my life to surround providers or clients. It and feels great. 

Most guys are not going pay deposits. Why use PayPal? Bad idea just my opinion 

 

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6 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Just not going to sugar coat the Denver BS.

Every time I see posts like this one, and many other posts similar to this by lots of different girls just reinforces the fact that the fuckery in Denver never ends and as few others have said on here it's only gotten worse.  

I'm so glad that I stoped posting on TER/ECCIE/Backpage and I started my own two business and got job. Cancellation or provider drama on me all you want I no longer give a rats. Haven't had the time. I don't care 🤷‍♀️ anymore. My bills are paid no matter weather clients show up or not. Because this not my only source of income. I dont have to deal with all bullshit drama anymore. I don't have the extra time to even give a rats. The day I stopped caring ✋ and took step back, was the day I was set free. 

I gotta tell you this was the best decision I ever made. Unfortunately I am constantly reading on tob a lot girls going through heartache with all the constant drama with all the fuckery going on in Denver. I'm great full I've been blessed to have come across other opportunities. Now when I see guys its all for fun and the money is a perk. It's no longer necessary for my life to surround providers or clients. It and feels great. 

Most guys are not going pay deposits. Why use PayPal? Bad idea just my opinion 

 

AMEN nikki

12 hours ago, pfunk said:

What do you expect? Stevie just isn't that bright...:D

12 hours ago, pfunk said:

What do you expect? Stevie just isn't that bright...:D

12 hours ago, pfunk said:

 

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12 hours ago, pfunk said:

What do you expect? Stevie just isn't that bright...:D

well I might not be bright but I know I have to work in order to eat,  even if I had to work 2 jobs 😁 so I might be a little bright 😁

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I have never cancelled on a provider unless I woke up so sick that I didn't want to spread the germs (happened twice in seven years), so I have a deep seated loathing of all the jerks that cause the bad vibes and lead to Nikki and the other gals concluding that Denver is rife with fuckery.  If it were up to me a guy who NCNS (or a gal who does so, for that matter), would come down with a painful rash that lasts for weeks.  Unfortunately, that ain't going to happen.

Also not going to happen is my paying a deposit for an appointment.  I don't mind in principle, since I always show up, but in practical application I have gone to a lot of trouble to create a non-traceable persona, and any form of internet payment leaves traces.  Therefore, not going to happen, unless the gal is right down the street and I can drop by a $50 bill as my deposit.

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Come to think of it PayPal has seized or frozen providers accounts many times. Maybe what we should be discussing is A list of different ways to provide anonymous payment for deposit. 

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This is my one and only job.  I've never taken deposits but when folks don't show up or cancel at the last minute, I sure to think about it.

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Can I just put it on lay-away? Works great at Walmart.  :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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For both Johns and hookers, flakes are CODB. Shit, if I got a dime every time a hooker flaked on me, I'd be rich and fingerbanging Ivanka Trump. I'd never even consider paying a "deposit".;)

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:rolleyes:

What about frequent fucker miles or even a punch ticket system.  :P

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8 hours ago, 2Big said:

For both Johns and hookers, flakes are CODB. Shit, if I got a dime every time a hooker flaked on me, I'd be rich and fingerbanging Ivanka Trump. I'd never even consider paying a "deposit".;)

Millions of dollars in dimes, huh? I doubt, you've been flake on, that much. I doubt, even more, that you've had more flakes than an escort. I do like the image of fingerbanging Ivanka, though! LOL!

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A deposit would've been great for me today.

It can really be frustrating at times. I had a gentleman that wanted to send constant texts and call me last night. When I told him I couldn't chat he decided to cancel our 2 hour Rendezvous today.

Seems that respect is lacking. I lost the appointment time and out the hotel cost. All was lost because I have a life outside of this and couldn't "chat".😢

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Unfortunately most will not understand this problem if they are not an escort. I don't have a solution Lucy, but am just supporting what you are saying. I went 2 years without a cancel, NCNS etc, until recently. It really hurts when you have had calls for the same time as the individual that canceled. :(I've talked this through with a few providers and clients, and believe that the Denver market has become over saturated, like Dallas. It is perpetuating poor behavior on both sides. Like Lucy said, it is becoming more short notice (as in now), asking for a menu of services (WTF???), and cancels. This is an ever evolving business, and not at all like when I came on the scene. Stevie, this truly is more than a 40 hour a week job with the admin work that is required, which could make it prohibitive to try to incorporate additional jobs if you have a family or other responsibilities. Your answer is probably a good one though in that we need a regular base of income coming in as well. I guess we all have to figure out how to proceed in a way that works for us. Just my .02.

PS. The King Soopers reload card is a great option though. No real world info would have to be exchanged between parties.

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 The only time a deposit should be asked for is when traveling. I can't see a guy paying that for an hour or so. It's about as affective as collecting a cancellation fee(though there are gents who give extra on their make up session). 

What I learned is that this is no longer a viable or dependable source of income full time. I've also found that I'm a much happier person now that I have something to do with my time other than sit around waiting for the phone to ring. 

I totally understand doing this full time, and respect the gals that do, as I did it for many years. Deposits however will be even harder to come by, and I think you will find yourself with a very quiet phone. I could be wrong though, so try it out, see what happens. 

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You certainly get a double dose of sympathy from me. One from flaky providers over the years who have done their share of NC\NS....and another from NC\NS folks in my business. Here is the problem as I see it. The guys who would not have a problem doing a deposit are almost certainly ones who would not NC\NS in the first place. With deposits, your cancellation rate WILL drop significantly. I also believe you booking rate will drop just a bit more. For example, perhaps for every 2 guys deposits prevent from cancelling, they stop 3 others from booking. I am also not sure this forum is all that a reliable barometer. Most posters here would not be in that "cancel club". Further, it is one thing to post on here that one has no hesitation in doing a deposit...but that does not make that true in the real world.

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We are not talking about hotel rooms or airplane reservations.  Many who book appointments do so at a personal risk to whatever domestic or work situation they might be invovled in.  I have said to many ladies that they are running a travel agency, with bookings to take all kinds of customers to wonderful places of pleasure. However, those who are booking, are doing so within the context of  an unregulated industry that also has to carry the burden of severe social approbation.  I have had to cancel appointments on reatlively short notice for a variety of reasons:  illness, sudden changes in my work schedule that didn't leave the opportunity for cover excuses, unplanned arrival of the SO, unclear booking or locational directions.  I think the ladies deserve the utmost consideration if an appointment has to change but because of the somewhat clandestine nature of the business, the ladies also recieve a higher hourly rate than that paid for most daylight jobs.  That is the trade off, and I like to think that because they do recieve a relatively high hourly rate for their services, that the rate for fulfilled appointments compensates them for the unavoidable vairaibility of other appointments that don't culminate in payment.  It's a risky business for both providers and partakers and if everyone tries their best to live up to standards of courtesy and concern for each other's situation, that is better than thinking that deposits will mitigate the lack of courtesy that some clients and ladies show.  I have waited in uncomfortable settings for ladies to answer their phones or to be told that while there was a set time, that time is now moved out some distance.  Because the process of obtaining the companionship of another person, for what might described as illegal activities, is so fragile, I think the best antidote for lack of consideration is to be punctual and forthiright if circumstacnes force a change in arrangement.  I also have compensated ladies for lost time in situations where I felt their loss was my fault and I should consider that part of the overhead of having this hobby.  However, this hobby is still more interesting and exciting than golf.  If you reserve a green and don't show up, they'll charge you if you didn't contact the golf club in advance.

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4 hours ago, Laci French said:

A deposit would've been great for me today.

It can really be frustrating at times. I had a gentleman that wanted to send constant texts and call me last night. When I told him I couldn't chat he decided to cancel our 2 hour Rendezvous today.

Seems that respect is lacking. I lost the appointment time and out the hotel cost. All was lost because I have a life outside of this and couldn't "chat".😢

Uh no. All was lost because that guy was an asshole.

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It's weird to me that some of you guys would rather watch providers struggle than actually help them out.

Great that some of you choose to have second jobs but that doesn't change the fact that clients are out of line. Using the this an illegal business line doesn't really work either. When we realized that screening would make us safer we did it and just about everyone accepted it despite the illegality. When you guys realized that you could keep providers in check with reviews clients hopped on board. We now have dozens of sites that help us streamline the process and helped legitimize an illegitimate business. I call bullshit on not being able to change things because of illegality.

I personally think the guys around here aren't down with it because they prefer to be void of any responsibility. Clients want to compare us to every business under the sun to force us to comply to their demands but when we want to include a policy like many real world businesses have it's "oh no can't do that cuz it's illegal". That's ridiculous.

If collectively providers can't be trusted what's our incentive to act professionally? Clients don't generally tolerate our unprofessional behavior but we're frequently told to suck it up and move on when clients behave like dicks. If the pattern of cancellations and no shows continues we're going to be a bunch of cranky and suspicious of all clients providers.

This is %100 a viable option for full time employment and the continuing suggestion that a provider finds other income because clients just don't wanna do something is in my opinion counterproductive. What we mean what say that , again in my opinion, is that we don't want other providers or even ourselves to be successful because we're terrified to chase away business by making clients do something they don't want to do but would help us tremendously.

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28 minutes ago, Vassago said:

Uh no. All was lost because that guy was an asshole.

Uh well that's why deposits are a good idea to protect ourselves from assholes.

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