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I don't come on much and I tend to stay quite. However, today I recieved a P411 reply for an appointment.  The number that was given to contact was a lady whom advertises on the board. Unfortunatly the number also when googgled has alot of negative ties to it. Something is very strange here and I have contacted the Admins here and also P411. Please be careful and if I can be any help to any of you here please let me know. And if in the past you have reached out for a ref and I have been slow to getting back to you or did not respond I am very sorry. I lose track at time.

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21 hours ago, 4seasons Companions said:

if in the past you have reached out for a ref and I have been slow to getting back to you or did not respond I am very sorry. I lose track at time.

  Losing track of time is not a good excuse. As it makes it tough for the independent ladies to screen thoroughly. Doesn't matter if she is with an agency or doing this on her own...you all have to look out for each other.

Be interesting to see what,if any,problems are attached to that number you encountered.

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You are right JR and the higher ups here and P411 has taken care of the sitiuation !!

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26 minutes ago, JRWolfe said:

  Losing track of time is not a good excuse. As it makes it tough for the independent ladies to screen thoroughly. Doesn't matter if she is with an agency or doing this on her own...you all have to look out for each other.

Be interesting to see what,if any,problems are attached to that number you encountered.

Actually we don't really have to look out for each other it's just a matter of kindness that we do. I think references are awesome but if they are your sole source of screening you have to find a backup. No provider is obliged to provide a reference it's a courtesy. It's also really easy for providers to blame others for giving good references when sessions don't go well. I also disagree with losing track of time not being a good excuse, sometimes it happens and more often than not I can't stop what I'm doing to give a reference and just as frequently it's providers looking for short notice references and it's near impossible to get back to them on time anyways.

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Giving out references can bring on so much drama it's unbelievable. I have always been 100% reference friendly. Holly shit balls of fire it can bring on the drama. I even made it impossible for my reference to back fire and yet I still run into provider drama. Over dumb ass bullshit.... "Why you seeing this girl, come and see me instead." She get mad at the client. To much drama for your baby momma!!!! MMMMKKKK  This is just one example I mentioned. I am seriously considering on not being reference friendly.  Especially, since I have the ability to screen without references and then some. Would I like to keep providers safe? Yes, and I have in many more ways than one. Some providers have experianced horrible things happen to them, by expecting references and now they will only operate by real world info only. So..... you be the judge.  

Let me just say this references don't mean jack shit. Here is an example. 

  • Client had 4 references verify him. All seen him with in the last 6 Months - 1 Week.
  • I always do physical screening for STD's its part of my routine. Its on my advertisement.
  • This guy had so many warts on his dick.
  • Just think each girl said he was safe to see. 
  • Sent him home and yes I kept the money since he wasted my time. 

I could mention a whole bunch more bullshit. But its not needed. When you are breaking the law nothing is ever 100% bullet proof. 

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1 hour ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Giving out references can bring on so much drama it's unbelievable. I have always been 100% reference friendly. Holly shit balls of fire it can bring on the drama. I even made it impossible for my reference to back fire and yet I still run into provider drama. Over dumb ass bullshit.... "Why you seeing this girl, come and see me instead." She get mad at the client. To much drama for your baby momma!!!! MMMMKKKK  This is just one example I mentioned. I am seriously considering on not being reference friendly.  Especially, since I have the ability to screen without references and then some. Would I like to keep providers safe? Yes, and I have in many more ways than one. Some providers have experianced horrible things happen to them, by expecting references and now they will only operate by real world info only. So..... you be the judge.  

Let me just say this references don't mean jack shit. Here is an example. 

  • Client had 4 references verify him. All seen him with in the last 6 Months - 1 Week.
  • I always do physical screening for STD's its part of my routine. Its on my advertisement.
  • This guy had so many warts on his dick.
  • Just think each girl said he was safe to see. 
  • Sent him home and yes I kept the money since he wasted my time. 

I could mention a whole bunch more bullshit. But its not needed. When you are breaking the law nothing is ever 100% bullet proof. 

I'm sorry but an STD check is not going to keep you safe!

 

It's crazy to see these people participate in UNSAFE ANYTHING! Uggh i cant get past all these people that are GFE! Why would you put your life in risk??? You don't know every sore that comes to your body.It doesn't matter how many times you go to the clinic you could see someone right out of the clinic and everything was good but then months later things start popping up on your body.ITS BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING HAPPENS QUICK FAST IN A HURRY! 

 

And just to think some that utf kiss thier family... Babies... Ugh just uggh!

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48 minutes ago, SabrinaLynn said:

I'm sorry but an STD check is not going to keep you safe!

     Only doctors can verify STDs .  ( and nurses )   Besides..who would work WITHOUT a condom ???

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50 minutes ago, SabrinaLynn said:

you could see someone right out of the clinic and everything was good but then months later things start popping up on your body.ITS BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING HAPPENS QUICK FAST IN A HURRY! 

  You pretty much stated why porn performers get checked ,at the most, monthly ,by a doctor.

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The stories we can share !! I was just trying to let it be known what happen to me yesterday and make the community aware. I have multiple screening methods and I am aware that not all ladies do. I have not gotten back to people checking refrences like I should.  I was just making it public. Not here to judge or shame just trying to be a little better in my corner of the world. Play safe !!

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58 minutes ago, SabrinaLynn said:

I'm sorry but an STD check is not going to keep you safe!

 

It's crazy to see these people participate in UNSAFE ANYTHING! Uggh i cant get past all these people that are GFE! Why would you put your life in risk??? You don't know every sore that comes to your body.It doesn't matter how many times you go to the clinic you could see someone right out of the clinic and everything was good but then months later things start popping up on your body.ITS BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING HAPPENS QUICK FAST IN A HURRY! 

 

And just to think some that utf kiss thier family... Babies... Ugh just uggh!

Doesn't work for you, don't do it.  But you are overboard in your criticism of those that do choose to offer oral with no condom and certainly over the top in the shrill level of your statements.  As to GFE - depends what it means to you - it means nothing to me because it means something different to everyone. I have argued on your behalf more than once Sabrina, but you need to dial this back a few notches.

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55 minutes ago, SabrinaLynn said:

I'm sorry but an STD check is not going to keep you safe!

 

It's crazy to see these people participate in UNSAFE ANYTHING! Uggh i cant get past all these people that are GFE! Why would you put your life in risk??? You don't know every sore that comes to your body.It doesn't matter how many times you go to the clinic you could see someone right out of the clinic and everything was good but then months later things start popping up on your body.ITS BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING HAPPENS QUICK FAST IN A HURRY! 

 

And just to think some that utf kiss thier family... Babies... Ugh just uggh!

I agree with Laci, Hooker shaming is wrong and rude. Unfortunately this is a prime example why some escorts dont give out references. 👏👏👏 

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16 minutes ago, JRWolfe said:

     Only doctors can verify STDs .  ( and nurses )   Besides..who would work WITHOUT a condom ???

Only lab tests can verify STDs.  As to who would work without a condom, if you mean oral - lots.  It is an acceptable risk to many, myself included.  If it isn't acceptable to you, don't partake.  Simple.  But knock it off with demeaning those that do.

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The reality is it takes a provider just seconds to examine your crank for obvious sores, warts, rashes, or juicy discharge.  Many pros do this as standard procedure to eliminate the most obvious.

Visit a brothel in Nevada and you will get a quick once over.

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2 hours ago, SabrinaLynn said:

I'm sorry but an STD check is not going to keep you safe!

 

It's crazy to see these people participate in UNSAFE ANYTHING! Uggh i cant get past all these people that are GFE! Why would you put your life in risk??? You don't know every sore that comes to your body.It doesn't matter how many times you go to the clinic you could see someone right out of the clinic and everything was good but then months later things start popping up on your body.ITS BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING HAPPENS QUICK FAST IN A HURRY! 

 

And just to think some that utf kiss thier family... Babies... Ugh just uggh!

Perhaps you should use rubber gloves if you feel that unsafe.

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1 hour ago, inkspot said:

Perhaps you should use rubber gloves if you feel that unsafe.

These kinds of replies are funny to me. Shame on Sabrina for shaming others so the best response is to make fun of her? And those that were so against the shaming were so quick to like the post.

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2 hours ago, inkspot said:

Perhaps you should use rubber gloves if you feel that unsafe.

She does. 

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3 hours ago, gr8owl said:

Doesn't work for you, don't do it.  But you are overboard in your criticism of those that do choose to offer oral with no condom and certainly over the top in the shrill level of your statements.  As to GFE - depends what it means to you - it means nothing to me because it means something different to everyone. I have argued on your behalf more than once Sabrina, but you need to dial this back a few notches.

I think it was shrill for sure but not overly critical. I didn't care for the approach but I certainly didn't feel shamed or criticized because despite my offerings I agree with her. When I stop and think about the amount of unsafe sex (yes BBBJ is unsafe sex) it kind of blows my mind. GFE may have varied meaning to you as a client but unfortunately GFE offerings are expected to include BBBJ. That's pretty much the rule nation wide and for all SWs. It may not have started that way but GFE is the polite somewhat discrete way of saying I'll schlob it uncovered.

Personally I feel that condoms for all activities be standard and those that choose not use them be the minority. Every group decision that is made or new trend that is started affects all providers. When we think only of our own risk we forget that. In a climate where this illegal, when it's hard to get clients to screen, when advertising options are unstable the one thing we have control over is our own personal sexual health. It is the one and only thing that we can have complete control over. It gives marginalized and survival SWs desperately needed agency.

I know that sounds strange and that many have calculated their risks but we are a collective. My choice to do BBBJ could have huge impact, it happened recently in Australia a dreaded herpes outbreak. Whenever a provider of privilege makes a choice it trickles down, a higher rate provider can eliminate risk by reducing the number of clients but your lower rate higher volume provider is all of a sudden taking more risk. I don't want my peers to be a at risk there are too many that just can't afford it but I also have to make a living. I don't like this position because I advocate for safety as a hypocrite.

As per Lucy's usual that was long winded but it was a good opportunity to share perspective. There are some realities we don't talk about here and refuse to acknowledge. This business from the provider's perspective is way more complicated than TOB conversations would indicate.

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9 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

I think it was shrill for sure but not overly critical. I didn't care for the approach but I certainly didn't feel shamed or criticized because despite my offerings I agree with her. When I stop and think about the amount of unsafe sex (yes BBBJ is unsafe sex) it kind of blows my mind. GFE may have varied meaning to you as a client but unfortunately GFE offerings are expected to include BBBJ. That's pretty much the rule nation wide and for all SWs. It may not have started that way but GFE is the polite somewhat discrete way of saying I'll schlob it uncovered.

Personally I feel that condoms for all activities be standard and those that choose not use them be the minority. Every group decision that is made or new trend that is started affects all providers. When we think only of our own risk we forget that. In a climate where this illegal, when it's hard to get clients to screen, when advertising options are unstable the one thing we have control over is our own personal sexual health. It is the one and only thing that we can have complete control over. It gives marginalized and survival SWs desperately needed agency.

I know that sounds strange and that many have calculated their risks but we are a collective. My choice to do BBBJ could have huge impact, it happened recently in Australia a dreaded herpes outbreak. Whenever a provider of privilege makes a choice it trickles down, a higher rate provider can eliminate risk by reducing the number of clients but your lower rate higher volume provider is all of a sudden taking more risk. I don't want my peers to be a at risk there are too many that just can't afford it but I also have to make a living. I don't like this position because I advocate for safety as a hypocrite.

As per Lucy's usual that was long winded but it was a good opportunity to share perspective. There are some realities we don't talk about here and refuse to acknowledge. This business from the provider's perspective is way more complicated than TOB conversations would indicate.

Well said ;)

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Well this thread turned quick. How did we go from screen thoroughly to better put a cover on your hobgoblin or the big bad herpes is comin' to get you?

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7 hours ago, Vassago said:

Well this thread turned quick. How did we go from screen thoroughly to better put a cover on your hobgoblin or the big bad herpes is comin' to get you?

It's easy to trace; Nikki's comment about how she screens. One of which was visually verify no STD is present. From there Sabrina stepped in.

This particular topic seems to come up because no one ever wants to fully address it. Often times it's swept under the rug with a "consenting adults behind closed doors" rebuff. Which is true; however, there's so much misinformation, flatout falsehoods, and risky practices said on this board pertaining to sexual education that it's actually quite worrying. P in the V without a condom is the craziest thing ever, but swallowing/taking a guy's load in your mouth or earning your red wings with a provider (remember that is blood you're coming in contact with) is far less risky according to this board's forum... I don't know, man. It's as good a time as any to have a open dialog when an STD check is said to be used as a method of screening. 

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12 hours ago, inkspot said:

The reality is it takes a provider just seconds to examine your crank for obvious sores, warts, rashes, or juicy discharge.  Many pros do this as standard procedure to eliminate the most obvious.

Visit a brothel in Nevada and you will get a quick once over.

  they are trained 

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Curious...if a client turned out to be a doctor and spotted something...would you give him a refund for wasting his time ??  

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1 hour ago, JoDoe27 said:

 

This particular topic seems to come up because no one ever wants to fully address it. 

It has been beaten to death repeatedly in great detail and fully addressed.  Do your research at actual medical sites - Mayo, CDC, etc. - weigh the risks vs benefit, decide the level of risk YOU are comfortable, get tested regularly, enjoy at YOUR level of comfort.

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12 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

It has been beaten to death repeatedly in great detail and fully addressed.  Do your research at actual medical sites - Mayo, CDC, etc. - weigh the risks vs benefit, decide the level of risk YOU are comfortable, get tested regularly, enjoy at YOUR level of comfort.

What's been beaten to death is the "I researched and know my risks" the conversation usually doesn't go farther than that and it's dismissive of every very real point I tried to make. None of those medical sites are talking about sex worker stats and that's problematic, it's not representative of this population. Those stats also show that oral is more dangerous for women, so when you calculate your risk you're not thinking about ours. And again the problem is providers are really not allowed to make those decisions for themselves, it's dictated by client demands and what higher priced workers are doing.

How about you expand your research and look into media created by sex workers? There is a great deal of privilege in your statement, you can limit your exposure any time you want, the struggling sex worker doesn't have those choices. The struggling sex worker who's only making $80 a session has got to see a lot of clients to get bills paid and the risk just adds up.

This isn't about autonomy. This is about protecting an entire community of people and most especially protecting those that are the most vulnerable. I'm not saying that everyone should throw on body condoms. What I'm saying is allow sex workers the agency that allows them to choose risk for themselves. I am also saying that unsafe sex should come at a premium. Not that more money is going to help a whole lot when a provider is sick and has to take weeks off of work but it decreases the demand which in turn decreases risk. 

If you're not into advocacy it's not a big deal but it should be known that choices that the privileged community makes trickles down and hurts those that could really use our help.

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37 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

It has been beaten to death repeatedly in great detail and fully addressed.  Do your research at actual medical sites - Mayo, CDC, etc. - weigh the risks vs benefit, decide the level of risk YOU are comfortable, get tested regularly, enjoy at YOUR level of comfort.

I disagree. The talks are fairly surface level. And really can you beat it to death? An illegal and unregulated sexual industry based heavily in trust and honesty amongst all the consenting adults...to me there doesn't seem to be a point in ever not having a constant safety reminder. 

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It's unsafe and I will not TAKE BACK what I said! Yes these ladies may be clean and STD free but....WE DONT KNOW THESE MEN personally ...Now your atf feel free to do whatever they earned that...But like I said first time clients receiving app the fun on first encounters is WRONG IN MY EYES!

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17 hours ago, Laci French said:

Hooker shaming is just fucking rude. Period. 

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Hmmmm in my 16 years, I've NEVER caught or been exposed to a single std and I'm a GFE! 

Gotta love hookers who get their PHD's from Web MD. Or the internet. 

Generalisations....gotta love em! 

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3 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

What's been beaten to death is the "I researched and know my risks" the conversation usually doesn't go farther than that and it's dismissive of every very real point I tried to make. None of those medical sites are talking about sex worker stats and that's problematic, it's not representative of this population. Those stats also show that oral is more dangerous for women, so when you calculate your risk you're not thinking about ours. And again the problem is providers are really not allowed to make those decisions for themselves, it's dictated by client demands and what higher priced workers are doing.

When I calculate risk I DO consider the risk to the lady.  And based upon who I choose to do what with, and based upon fairly regular testing I know the risk of me giving her anything is extremely small.  If I believed for a minute that I had something I would suspend activity until testing either confirmed or denied.  If anything I am more mindful about your risk than I am about mine.  Painting with wide brush usually makes mess.  Yes, providers ARE allowed to make those decisions.  Check the few reviews I have posted.  I have visited ladies that play very "safe" practically installing condom upon walking through door AND given them glowing reviews.  I have never tried to talk any lady out of her personal choices.  If you offer BBBJ and DATY that IS YOUR CHOICE.  Does insisting that everything be covered shrink your base of clients?  Perhaps.  It at least changes your client base, but not so sure it makes it smaller.  

How about you expand your research and look into media created by sex workers? There is a great deal of privilege in your statement, you can limit your exposure any time you want, the struggling sex worker doesn't have those choices. The struggling sex worker who's only making $80 a session has got to see a lot of clients to get bills paid and the risk just adds up.

The risk per encounter is no different sex worker vs  active non-worker.  If your business model is 5 plus guys a day are you more likely to get infected with something than if your business model is once per week?  I suspect there are some statistics gurus here that will argue no because each incident has its own statistical risk.  As a non-guru of statistics it seems to me the more you play the more you risk.  But by all means, if you have study based factual information that it is more dangerous for the lady please provide links.  I prefer to act upon best available information and would welcome any better info you have.  Take all the precautions you want and the risk is not zero for anything except literal abstinence.  

This isn't about autonomy. This is about protecting an entire community of people and most especially protecting those that are the most vulnerable. I'm not saying that everyone should throw on body condoms. What I'm saying is allow sex workers the agency that allows them to choose risk for themselves. I am also saying that unsafe sex should come at a premium. Not that more money is going to help a whole lot when a provider is sick and has to take weeks off of work but it decreases the demand which in turn decreases risk. 

If you're not into advocacy it's not a big deal but it should be known that choices that the privileged community makes trickles down and hurts those that could really use our help.

Lastly, explain this privileged thing.  I am a working stiff that cannot afford to play more than couple or three times a month, never argue rates or services, and usually tip the other participant who is exercising her free will and choice to participate.  Not sure how this translates to privilege. 

 

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No I'm not a doctor and do not have a PhD but I do have a brain and Google...All I do was simply Google it! It wasn't directed to one individual it was made to advise men really! I didn't shame ANYONE! ITS NOT SAFE by any terms...WE ARE NOT ONLY SEEING one person a day! And STD is just one thing that happens when unprotected anything happens..

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