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Just received a bulletin that the Feds are watching OnlyFans (created by Central Florida Intelligence eXchange (CFIX)) Twitter and Instagram social media sites for Prostitution and Human Trafficking Activity. Careful out there.

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M.Stache, don't you know that we choose to ignore all of these dangers?  Dude, we just abide. Party on dudes and dudetttes.

 

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They use geofeedia.  Just use a VPN and a fake gps app and an account you don't care about.

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19 hours ago, m.stache said:

Just received a bulletin that the Feds are watching OnlyFans (created by Central Florida Intelligence eXchange (CFIX)) Twitter and Instagram social media sites for Prostitution and Human Trafficking Activity. Careful out there.

....and your point is ??  History shows that vice on the state and national level does read the ads .Pre-internet,they picked up all print publications with escort ads....thats how/why the Oyster was once dragged into court.However,the Oyster was wise enough to have a contract that protected it with advertisers. Backpage was probably forced to change things due to pressure.from the feds. 

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1 hour ago, JRWolfe said:

....and your point is ??  History shows that vice on the state and national level does read the ads .Pre-internet,they picked up all print publications with escort ads....thats how/why the Oyster was once dragged into court.However,the Oyster was wise enough to have a contract that protected it with advertisers. Backpage was probably forced to change things due to pressure.from the feds. 

 

And your point is? Social media and the Oyster aren't the same, Twitter isn't a paid advertising site and Only Fans is for the selling of content. There is no comparison. These are modern problems. Kicking sex workers off of sites like Twitter and IG is more akin to when the LinkedIn people figured out a bunch of their users were sex workers. We know that LE watches ads but again Twitter, IG and Only Fans aren't advertising sites.

BackPage wasn't forced to do anything by the Feds. You can read all about why they did what they did if you click on the links on their CENSORED page.

 

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4 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

 

And your point is? Social media and the Oyster aren't the same, Twitter isn't a paid advertising site and Only Fans is for the selling of content. There is no comparison. These are modern problems. Kicking sex workers off of sites like Twitter and IG is more akin to when the LinkedIn people figured out a bunch of their users were sex workers. We know that LE watches ads but again Twitter, IG and Only Fans aren't advertising sites.

BackPage wasn't forced to do anything by the Feds. You can read all about why they did what they did if you click on the links on their CENSORED page.

 

        The internet,including social media, simply replaced the print media. (btw..Oyster had a website ,a myspace page and a facebook page ) 

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On 5/12/2017 at 5:57 PM, JRWolfe said:

        The internet,including social media, simply replaced the print media. (btw..Oyster had a website ,a myspace page and a facebook page ) 

I bet that MySpace page gets tons of usable traffic and data 

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40 minutes ago, Unclehazard91 said:

I bet that MySpace page gets tons of usable traffic and data 

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4 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

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She was so old I thought she was a walmart greeter

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Just now, Unclehazard91 said:

She was so old I thought she was a walmart greeter

And she had good reviews so I got a sesssion. 

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On 5/12/2017 at 5:57 PM, JRWolfe said:

        The internet,including social media, simply replaced the print media. (btw..Oyster had a website ,a myspace page and a facebook page ) 

Still not the same thing. Twitter, IG and others are about USER created content. They don't produce anything of their own other than the actual service. They are not media outlets in the same sense that The Denver Post is a media outlet. Social media didn't replace anything because there was never anything like it before. We get that you know a lot about the Oyster but newspaper knowledge doesn't translate to the social media era.

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On Friday, May 12, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Phil-anderer said:

You received a 'bulletin'?

I'm with you phil...

Bulletin That means he works for FBI? Or am I reading this shit Wrong? 

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On 5/12/2017 at 5:57 PM, JRWolfe said:

        The internet,including social media, simply replaced the print media. (btw..Oyster had a website ,a myspace page and a facebook page ) 

I'm one of the oldies here that used to peruse the printed version of the Oyster. Needless to say  not one of the ladies I contacted via the Oyster resembled the image they posted or to any expectations they implied. Sort of like BP nowadays, but even in BP, you can run into an occasional diamond in the rough. Strangely enough one of the ladies I met via the Oyster is now posting ads on BP using similar non-representative photos she used in the Oyster. 

Once the internet was up and running I dropped the Oyster without looking back. That was over 20 years ago.

 

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7 hours ago, amcbl1 said:

I'm one of the oldies here that used to peruse the printed version of the Oyster. Needless to say  not one of the ladies I contacted via the Oyster resembled the image they posted or to any expectations they implied. Sort of like BP nowadays, but even in BP, you can run into an occasional diamond in the rough. Strangely enough one of the ladies I met via the Oyster is now posting ads on BP using similar non-representative photos she used in the Oyster. 

Once the internet was up and running I dropped the Oyster without looking back. That was over 20 years ago.

 

 Well for what its worth, a decade or two ago (alright it was 22 years ago LOL)  my pic was in the Oyster and it looked just like me :)

It's funny looking back at those days, I couldn't wait for the LQ store to open so I could see myself in print for the first time LMAO.  Oh to be young and dumb again... ha!

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10 hours ago, Unclehazard91 said:

I bet that MySpace page gets tons of usable traffic and data 

       Well, it did in its day. Haven't looked at it since the Oyster publisher died. 

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2 hours ago, Danielle Rae said:

 

 Well for what its worth, a decade or two ago (alright it was 22 years ago LOL)  my pic was in the Oyster and it looked just like me :)

It's funny looking back at those days, I couldn't wait for the LQ store to open so I could see myself in print for the first time LMAO.  Oh to be young and dumb again... ha!

             Liqour down the street from me used to have customers lined up for it every thursday. :)  

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7 hours ago, amcbl1 said:

I'm one of the oldies here that used to peruse the printed version of the Oyster. Needless to say  not one of the ladies I contacted via the Oyster resembled the image they posted or to any expectations they implied. Sort of like BP nowadays, but even in BP, you can run into an occasional diamond in the rough. Strangely enough one of the ladies I met via the Oyster is now posting ads on BP using similar non-representative photos she used in the Oyster. 

Once the internet was up and running I dropped the Oyster without looking back. That was over 20 years ago.

 

         It did take awhile for the Oyster to add an online addition. Recall bitching to them to do so every week that I dropped off my articles/photos. Eventually they did and it got a ton of hits the first week.  We were actually in the middle of doing a real cool update /redesign when she died. Too bad none of us had the password,you would have loved it.

Agree with you about the fake pictures in those old ads. To give you a behind the scenes look. The majority of the advertisers stated that they didn't like the idea of a neighbor seeing their face in the ad. There were several that did use their own photo,but they were few and far between.

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On 5/12/2017 at 0:13 PM, SultryKitten said:

I do not feel sorry for any guy that stupidly gets caught seeing a minor. You know better, and you get what you deserve!

^^THIS^^   I have a solution for those types of "guys".  It's called "banding".  I grew up on a cattle ranch and that's how we made bulls into steers...  Look it up.

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On 5/12/2017 at 0:13 PM, SultryKitten said:

Yeah, I am not too worried! I am not doing this against my will, and I am almost 40! Can you get in trouble for being a naughty MILF? If so, I have been a very bad girl! *bats eyes*

Why are you so worried about getting trouble on a site that goes looking for traffickers? Sounds a bit fishy to me. The Feds and cops are on every adult board out there. Being delusional is pretty stupid. The only way I see that you could be getting in trouble on these is if you are seeing underage workers...

Here is a great idea for you guys that LOVE those tight, young things. If you are so determined to play with the barely legal types...maybe you should check ID's and not touch one if she is NOT of age. Heck, even call the cops and inform them as she just might appreciate the effort. Getting out of those situations for them can be dangerous, and if you watch they move frequently so they can't be found. Just a suggestion! I do not feel sorry for any guy that stupidly gets caught seeing a minor. You know better, and you get what you deserve!

I know someone is going to get all up in arms to me about what I just said, but really the cops would be appreciative if you notified them as finding underage workers is pretty tough to keep up with. They are pretty aggressive, and it is happening more and more. The disturbing part about all of this is how many guys don't care because they just want to nut, and these criminals are banking off of it. Why would you want to even be a part of that?

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

I really think this more about the moral war than actual trafficking. LE doesn't care that you're almost 40 under the umbrella of trafficking we're all victims. But I really don't think that's the point in going after users of big sites. I think we need a shift in perspective here, LE and the Moral Authority have been systematically attacking systems and sites that are useful to sex workers. All this under the guise of "helping" and thanks to all the help we operate even more in the shadows. Providers can't use Pay-Pal, Square Space, Green Dot products and LinkedIn. The not help hurts us all. The anti-sex work crowd and LE lumps us all in as one. Attacks on our resources affect us all and that is the point. I think we also have to remember that Twitter, IG and Only Fans are not adult sites in the sense that TOB is an adult site. They all allow legal adult content but they are by no means adult sites. They are not in the same category and to the best of my knowledge have yet to be known as phishing sites for LE. So I don't think the OP was worried about not being able to cruise for young chicks but more of a warning for those who use those sites because regardless of your age or given consent you can still be dinged for using those sites while being a sex worker.

If there is any validity to these claims I have concerns. None of these are advertising sites, they are social media sites and have all proven to be very useful, Twitter has proven to be priceless. It's not just free advertising, it's the ability to stay connected and keep informed on a much larger scale. There are reasons that sites like Twitter would be targeted because it's become a powerful platform for sex work advocacy. Removing sex workers from the site would be detrimental to our cause. It hurts business too. I know it hasn't caught on much locally but Twitter is good business, IG is a great way to post all your clean photos for your fans and Only Fans was a great way to make extra money by selling content directly to your fans.

I also would suggest never calling the cops, if you encounter someone that needs help there are groups out there that can help. LE doesn't care about anything but numbers. Their idea of helping and harm reduction is arresting people and giving people a criminal record making future legitimate employment even more difficult. We all know that the business and LE don't have a great relationship so when we encounter someone that really needs help we have to remember that. Cops are not our friends ever and they don't suddenly become our friends because we need their help.

We should all be concerned about these kinds of things, if they are true, because they really do impact us all. We are all in this together, from street walker to high class ho. We can't fall for the rhetoric either. We within the sex work community will always agree that that "trafficking" is something that happens, that sometimes there are people that are exploited. But it's constantly used by the anti-ho crowd and "trafficking" numbers are often inflated. It's the excuse they use to violate sex workers as much as possible. BackPage for example, they were accused knowingly allowing minors, which they don't do because they don't verify users. The stop trafficking crowd went after them hard and the result is disastrous. The majority of it's users who were consenting adults got screwed and those that really needed the help became harder to find.

Long story even longer we need to be aware of all the goings on in our community. It's larger than just us and we saw from the BP fiasco that when disastrous things happen to useful sites the remaining sites get some blow back.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

I really think this more about the moral war than actual trafficking. LE doesn't care that you're almost 40 under the umbrella of trafficking we're all victims. But I really don't think that's the point in going after users of big sites. I think we need a shift in perspective here, LE and the Moral Authority have been systematically attacking systems and sites that are useful to sex workers. All this under the guise of "helping" and thanks to all the help we operate even more in the shadows. Providers can't use Pay-Pal, Square Space, Green Dot products and LinkedIn. The not help hurts us all. The anti-sex work crowd and LE lumps us all in as one. Attacks on our resources affect us all and that is the point. I think we also have to remember that Twitter, IG and Only Fans are not adult sites in the sense that TOB is an adult site. They all allow legal adult content but they are by no means adult sites. They are not in the same category and to the best of my knowledge have yet to be known as phishing sites for LE. So I don't think the OP was worried about not being able to cruise for young chicks but more of a warning for those who use those sites because regardless of your age or given consent you can still be dinged for using those sites while being a sex worker.

If there is any validity to these claims I have concerns. None of these are advertising sites, they are social media sites and have all proven to be very useful, Twitter has proven to be priceless. It's not just free advertising, it's the ability to stay connected and keep informed on a much larger scale. There are reasons that sites like Twitter would be targeted because it's become a powerful platform for sex work advocacy. Removing sex workers from the site would be detrimental to our cause. It hurts business too. I know it hasn't caught on much locally but Twitter is good business, IG is a great way to post all your clean photos for your fans and Only Fans was a great way to make extra money by selling content directly to your fans.

I also would suggest never calling the cops, if you encounter someone that needs help there are groups out there that can help. LE doesn't care about anything but numbers. Their idea of helping and harm reduction is arresting people and giving people a criminal record making future legitimate employment even more difficult. We all know that the business and LE don't have a great relationship so when we encounter someone that really needs help we have to remember that. Cops are not our friends ever and they don't suddenly become our friends because we need their help.

We should all be concerned about these kinds of things, if they are true, because they really do impact us all. We are all in this together, from street walker to high class ho. We can't fall for the rhetoric either. We within the sex work community will always agree that that "trafficking" is something that happens, that sometimes there are people that are exploited. But it's constantly used by the anti-ho crowd and "trafficking" numbers are often inflated. It's the excuse they use to violate sex workers as much as possible. BackPage for example, they were accused knowingly allowing minors, which they don't do because they don't verify users. The stop trafficking crowd went after them hard and the result is disastrous. The majority of it's users who were consenting adults got screwed and those that really needed the help became harder to find.

Long story even longer we need to be aware of all the goings on in our community. It's larger than just us and we saw from the BP fiasco that when disastrous things happen to useful sites the remaining sites get some blow back.

 

 

 

 

Very true, and I agree! I do think they are both in correlation with each other, and neither help. As long as people keep putting the negative aspects of our business in the fore front, this will never be seen in a positive light, and ladies like you and I fight constantly to show people that there is more to this, but we are just a tiny part of the big picture.

I honestly don't know what to think about the social media aspect to this business as we like our privacy and safety, but I can see through some ladies how lucrative it is. I am still on the fence about opening myself up more socially.

This is why I feel having a community such as ours is crucial because we are better able to make this safer through friendship, cummunication, and smart screening. As long as this industry remains divided within our clients and providers, we will continue to have this stigma over our heads and people wanting to walk all over us even going so far as to boycott what we do.

I don't quite agree with the cops part because I do know quite a few cops that would prefer to protect and serve, and worrying about our safety is paramount to the oath they took. Yes, there are some that do think differently, and yes, we can be numbers to them, but I have personally seen how cops are when they get a minor off the street and back home, or make strong statements about how dangerous this business can be. They see these realities daily and no cop wants to come upon a crime scene that could have been prevented or flat out avoided. It is a tough job they have. No, I do not want to have to deal with them, but I am smart enough to know when it is the right time to have one.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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On 5/14/2017 at 7:19 AM, JRWolfe said:

         It did take awhile for the Oyster to add an online addition. Recall bitching to them to do so every week that I dropped off my articles/photos. Eventually they did and it got a ton of hits the first week.  We were actually in the middle of doing a real cool update /redesign when she died. Too bad none of us had the password,you would have loved it.

Agree with you about the fake pictures in those old ads. To give you a behind the scenes look. The majority of the advertisers stated that they didn't like the idea of a neighbor seeing their face in the ad. There were several that did use their own photo,but they were few and far between.

Gawds that sucks J.R. Wolfe! I also had and ad a few weeks before the Oyster shut its doors. One of my old clients contacted me fees weeks back remebering my old ads. It was really fun a great way to ride out the retrograde! Yes and we did meet up!😜😜 I think I look simular? Lol beauty in the eye of the beholder? Hahaha!! I would have to dig to find old pictures of me. 

 

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@Lucy (to avoid quoting the whole thing):

i would suggest that the ladies refrain from doing business(advertising, booking, etc.) in Twitter. Keep it available for the advocacy and safety discussions. From you description Twitter is very valuable for those activitys. It would be a shame to see that venue closed to all sex workers as well. 

On a general note:

There have been recent changes to the legal definition of trafficking. ALL transactional sex is now included.  The assumption is that the sex worker was coerced, even if only by economic circumstances. Your 'free will' doesn't enter into the discussion. {The legal citations are someplace in the archives.}

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43 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

@Lucy (to avoid quoting the whole thing):

i would suggest that the ladies refrain from doing business(advertising, booking, etc.) in Twitter. Keep it available for the advocacy and safety discussions. From you description Twitter is very valuable for those activitys. It would be a shame to see that venue closed to all sex workers as well. 

On a general note:

There have been recent changes to the legal definition of trafficking. ALL transactional sex is now included.  The assumption is that the sex worker was coerced, even if only by economic circumstances. Your 'free will' doesn't enter into the discussion. {The legal citations are someplace in the archives.}

It doesn't need to be advertising for it to be suspicious behavior. Twitter is absolutely invaluable and I am definitely addicted but my problem really is that sex workers keep getting ousted from resources. If we don't push back we're gonna be back on the streets or working entirely by word of mouth referral. Times aren't desperate but they are getting more difficult, losing ad sites losing the ability or increased difficulty in paying for ads ( Bitcoin is not for everyone). AirBnB is another that cracked down on SWs so there goes a reasonably priced option for a working location and there are the banks that offer prepaids that block SWs from using their products.

It all ties into the everyone is trafficked BS. If everyone is trafficked then we must be saved from the valuable resources that help keep consenting adults make money and thrive.

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43 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

... but my problem really is that sex workers keep getting ousted from resources. ...

It all ties into the everyone is trafficked BS. If everyone is trafficked then we must be saved from the valuable resources that help keep consenting adults make money and thrive.

I'm in total agreement on both points. 

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Here they come again!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/sex-ad-revelations-put-backpage-back-in-congressional-crosshairs.html

An off-shore call center soliciting ads & coaching authors? Hmmm. We're these international ads, where the trafficking & age-of-consent laws differ, OR were these Philippine contractors placing ads in the US? The article does not make the distinction. Perhaps the Moralists should pass another Volsted Act, this time prohibiting sex. 😜

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On 5/16/2017 at 1:55 PM, Lucy Kitten said:

I really think this more about the moral war than actual trafficking. LE doesn't care that you're almost 40 under the umbrella of trafficking we're all victims. But I really don't think that's the point in going after users of big sites. I think we need a shift in perspective here, LE and the Moral Authority have been systematically attacking systems and sites that are useful to sex workers. All this under the guise of "helping" and thanks to all the help we operate even more in the shadows. Providers can't use Pay-Pal, Square Space, Green Dot products and LinkedIn. The not help hurts us all. The anti-sex work crowd and LE lumps us all in as one. Attacks on our resources affect us all and that is the point. I think we also have to remember that Twitter, IG and Only Fans are not adult sites in the sense that TOB is an adult site. They all allow legal adult content but they are by no means adult sites. They are not in the same category and to the best of my knowledge have yet to be known as phishing sites for LE. So I don't think the OP was worried about not being able to cruise for young chicks but more of a warning for those who use those sites because regardless of your age or given consent you can still be dinged for using those sites while being a sex worker.

If there is any validity to these claims I have concerns. None of these are advertising sites, they are social media sites and have all proven to be very useful, Twitter has proven to be priceless. It's not just free advertising, it's the ability to stay connected and keep informed on a much larger scale. There are reasons that sites like Twitter would be targeted because it's become a powerful platform for sex work advocacy. Removing sex workers from the site would be detrimental to our cause. It hurts business too. I know it hasn't caught on much locally but Twitter is good business, IG is a great way to post all your clean photos for your fans and Only Fans was a great way to make extra money by selling content directly to your fans.

I also would suggest never calling the cops, if you encounter someone that needs help there are groups out there that can help. LE doesn't care about anything but numbers. Their idea of helping and harm reduction is arresting people and giving people a criminal record making future legitimate employment even more difficult. We all know that the business and LE don't have a great relationship so when we encounter someone that really needs help we have to remember that. Cops are not our friends ever and they don't suddenly become our friends because we need their help.

We should all be concerned about these kinds of things, if they are true, because they really do impact us all. We are all in this together, from street walker to high class ho. We can't fall for the rhetoric either. We within the sex work community will always agree that that "trafficking" is something that happens, that sometimes there are people that are exploited. But it's constantly used by the anti-ho crowd and "trafficking" numbers are often inflated. It's the excuse they use to violate sex workers as much as possible. BackPage for example, they were accused knowingly allowing minors, which they don't do because they don't verify users. The stop trafficking crowd went after them hard and the result is disastrous. The majority of it's users who were consenting adults got screwed and those that really needed the help became harder to find.

Long story even longer we need to be aware of all the goings on in our community. It's larger than just us and we saw from the BP fiasco that when disastrous things happen to useful sites the remaining sites get some blow back.

 

 

 

 

I agree 100% with the above!  Though for years, there's been warnings about Twitter. I stopped using it years ago for advertising. That's just me, I totally understand that it's a valuable resource for others. 

To the OP, thanks for the heads up! To everyone else, just be careful. Use your heads...the big one. And remember, if they want to bust you they will find a way. And most important, if you find yourself with those who carry silver bracelets, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!!! The only thing you say is, I want to speak to my attorney!!!! 

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The Watchers, Busters and Porkers are always around....whether you see em or not.

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