Meet Me at the Hotel Lobby? Not the kid.

[Ile Haversnatch]

The clerk "grew suspicious" of what was happening, called the cops then, crash and burn. This is when the saying, "happens to the best of us" can be no comfort. Be careful, gents. 

http://nypost.com/2017/04/05/secret-service-agent-on-pences-detail-caught-meeting-hooker/

Edited April 6, 2017 by Ile Haversnatch

[SultryKitten]

How is it an embarrassment?! Excuse me?! They have no life and are expected to be abstinent? Let them have their fun especially if he isn't doing it on the job. The media and a good portion of America annoy the f*ck out of me. We have bigger fish to fry, find something else to practice your articles on instead of defaming hookers that are trying to pay their bills, eat, and survive in this economy. UGH!

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

[Kayleehotchick]

That turned out to be some expensive kitty kat!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kosinski]

Sexually satisfied man = steady trigger finger

[Ile Haversnatch]

6 hours ago, SultryKitten said:

How is it an embarrassment?! Excuse me?! They have no life and are expected to be abstinent? Let them have their fun especially if he isn't doing it on the job. The media and a good portion of America annoy the f*ck out of me. We have bigger fish to fry, find something else to practice your articles on instead of defaming hookers that are trying to pay their bills, eat, and survive in this economy. UGH!

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

All valid points, except for defaming hookers which, focused on the agent's "debauchery", I didn't see the article doing.

I also don't see the point in demeaning the media, whose job it is to report news. This said, news is a subjective term and, in a "Judeo-Christian" society such as that ours purports to be, does include a public servant partaking of carnal pleasure, does it not? We all need to know about it (wink) because after all, feeling good is bad, really...bad. 

As if we don't already have enough to worry about, the moral of the story is it only takes an observant hotel employee (who was the manager, not clerk as stated), and not a sting to ruin the lives of those in the game. I regret any offense but, this leads me to question the wisdom of operating from them for all parties. When asked, many get offended, snarky..."I don't shit where I eat". That's fine and, I'm sorry, but I don't walk into booby traps I can avoid (pun intended), tyvm.

Thankfully, escorting is legal in most states that I know of, Colorado most importantly in this fine forum. Set up shop, hang a "sign", be bold and beautiful about it from the comfort of a home, where the provider is in no more danger than they are in a room. And if your place isn't feasible, find a new one that is. Many do and, it's a beautiful thing, for all parties.

But then, what does a Noob know?

Edited April 6, 2017 by Ile Haversnatch

[gr8owl]

An interesting story/thread in which most seem to be missing the relevant points.

First, there is certainly an argument for the position that escorting should be legal and not something anyone gets arrested for or loses their job for.  SHOULD.  But it is NOT.  Until it is, anyone with secret clearance that has access to sensitive national security information (in this case the schedule of appearances, and levels of protection, security schemes for the vice president!!) damn well should be fired on the spot for engaging in any illegal activity.  You cannot hold that type of position and open yourself up for blackmail and being pressured to provide sensitive information in exchange for not being outed.  Too bad, but that is the way it is.

Second - the story is bullshit.  "Not part of a sting".  Just the hotel manager being suspicious and calling cops - john is arrested as he leaves hotel.  No way.  If not part of a sting or set up, there were only two people that knew what transpired in the room.  It is not illegal to visit a known escort in a hotel room.  It is not illegal to screw like rabbits with any of age and consenting adult of one's choosing.  The only illegal thing is exchange of money for sex acts  One of them had to roll and tell the cops what transpired.  He didn't if they immediately arrested upon leaving hotel.  Does anyone believe a professional escort rolled on a client before he even got to parking lot?  Bullshit.  Smells like a set up.  So if this happens to anyone (no sting just concerned hotel manager, inquisitive cops) KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.  Both parties.  If you do you both walk.  No grounds what-so-ever for arrest.

Third the media.  Just another lame ass job of reporting only a part of the story and usually the part the government wants you to believe.  The media is given great power and latitude in the first amendment to help safe guard our freedom by telling us true and accurate stories and calling the government to task when it veers out of bounds.  Using the power and latitude to produce crap stories like this one that leave out a ton of relevant facts is an inexcusable travesty. And then multiple outlets blindly repeating the same lame ass CNN story without questioning it and digging deeper. We need to hold our so called press/media to a much higher standard than they currently hold themselves.

Lastly, the story and situation has not shit to do with "Judeo-Christian" anything so please stop the irrelevant reference and thinly veiled slam.  We get it - not all believe in that religious construct.

 

[Wendy Whitney]

That will happen if there is too much traffic to a room in a hotel.

[Ile Haversnatch]

1 hour ago, gr8owl said:

An interesting story/thread in which most seem to be missing the relevant points.

First, there is certainly an argument for the position that escorting should be legal and not something anyone gets arrested for or loses their job for.  SHOULD.  But it is NOT.  Until it is, anyone with secret clearance that has access to sensitive national security information (in this case the schedule of appearances, and levels of protection, security schemes for the vice president!!) damn well should be fired on the spot for engaging in any illegal activity.  You cannot hold that type of position and open yourself up for blackmail and being pressured to provide sensitive information in exchange for not being outed.  Too bad, but that is the way it is.

Second - the story is bullshit.  "Not part of a sting".  Just the hotel manager being suspicious and calling cops - john is arrested as he leaves hotel.  No way.  If not part of a sting or set up, there were only two people that knew what transpired in the room.  It is not illegal to visit a known escort in a hotel room.  It is not illegal to screw like rabbits with any of age and consenting adult of one's choosing.  The only illegal thing is exchange of money for sex acts  One of them had to roll and tell the cops what transpired.  He didn't if they immediately arrested upon leaving hotel.  Does anyone believe a professional escort rolled on a client before he even got to parking lot?  Bullshit.  Smells like a set up.  So if this happens to anyone (no sting just concerned hotel manager, inquisitive cops) KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.  Both parties.  If you do you both walk.  No grounds what-so-ever for arrest.

Third the media.  Just another lame ass job of reporting only a part of the story and usually the part the government wants you to believe.  The media is given great power and latitude in the first amendment to help safe guard our freedom by telling us true and accurate stories and calling the government to task when it veers out of bounds.  Using the power and latitude to produce crap stories like this one that leave out a ton of relevant facts is an inexcusable travesty. And then multiple outlets blindly repeating the same lame ass CNN story without questioning it and digging deeper. We need to hold our so called press/media to a much higher standard than they currently hold themselves.

Lastly, the story and situation has not shit to do with "Judeo-Christian" anything so please stop the irrelevant reference and thinly veiled slam.  We get it - not all believe in that religious construct.

 

As usual, you're all over the place. First, it's not that escorting should be legal, it is; at least in Colorado and most parts of the country. And based on the "Escort Services" heading on this lawyer's site https://www.new-york-lawyers.org/escort-services-prostitution-and-unlicensed-massage.html, I suspect it is in New York too, but could not confirm it.

Second, how do you know anything about the "prostitute" mentioned in the "lame ass reporting job", never mind how well known an "escort" he/she was (the provider's gender, or whatever it's called these days, was not mentioned), when the distinction exists in legal statutes? In other words, what differentiates a run of the mill prostitute (street walker) from an escort is one has a license to provide companionship, the other's just slinging. Talk about irrelevant, I'm confident that distinction cannot be established based on the information provided in the article.

Lastly, my reference to Judeo-Christian tenets are absolutely relevant and not a thinly veiled slam but directly such. Forgive the assumption but, it seems obvious you do "believe in that religious construct", as I strike a nerve each time its mentioned, and you'll just have to get over it. If right, and you don't have to man up here, you've got a lot of nerve, participating in an escort board as an apologist for Judeo-Christian "values" with reviews on your profile. It reminds me of the saying/bumper sticker, I'm not perfect, just forgiven. GTFOH, hypocrite. 

On a related note: http://www.city-data.com/forum/relationships/1966027-sex-escort-legal-yes-legal.html

[Ile Haversnatch]

12 minutes ago, Wendy Whitney said:

That will happen if there is too much traffic to a room in a hotel.

Whoop! There it is. 

[Happymon]

I too saw the article and found it left infinitely more questions than did it provide answers.  Lest we forget, many of those questions that might have been asked by the reporter require a pretty deep knowledge of this sub culture and how it operates to even come up with the question. I agree with one of  gr8wls' points about holes in the story that didn't make sense, but you would of had to play in this world quite a bit to have those jump out as "clangs." My point is, it's hard to fault under reporting or poor reporting.   As to any professional fall-out for our studly agent?  My guess is a ton of rocks and a world of hurt are going to come down on him.  Like it or not, participation in this hobby horrifies many. In fact, there are people right this minute who are putting a ton of energy into saving us from ourselves.  He's going to catch the wave from the agents who were caught partying very hard in someplace south of the border awhile back and has not gone away.  Big embarrassment.  And lastly, there are those who believe those persons who accept responsibility for protecting The President must be virtuous beyond being corruptible. For many obvious reasons. 

For me, just another reminder that I'm responsible for the choices I make and sometimes, shit happens. 

Edited April 7, 2017 by Happymon

[luvbrunettes]

This almost happened to me once. The girl I was meeting asked me to go to the front desk and pay for another night on her room as part of the donation, the clerk mentioned to me that there was a different guy, just recently, that was doing the same thing. Best I could do was tell her "yeah, we're just trying to help out a friend, and see to it that they don't end up on the street.." seemed to work, and it was one of my best encounters, but I was waiting for management or LE to bang on the door... won't be doing that again. 🙂

[Admiral C]

The absolute most important thing to any and all governments is controlling people. The more they self police and self control, the easier and cheaper it is for the government. This is why "morality" always has been, and always will be governed and mandated. We quite rightly condemn extreme Muslim regimes for their legislated moralities, but it would only take a gentle nudge and some slight pressures to push US out of the light towards their darkness. We tend to fill our heads with the s#it from propaganda media's, and this causes us to both buy into horse shit narratives, and also let down our guards. This is technologically the cyber era, light years ahead of puritanical days......but MAN HIMSELF with his attitudes, fears, superstitions, and obsessive need to control has evolved scarcely an inch.  Society now simply has highly advanced systems of surveillance, propaganda, communication, and enforcement tools with which to inflict it's moral dictates. Only the naive believe they move unseen, and only fools daydream of "changing, challenging, or evolving" society. Governments decree what is moral and thus legal, and it is YOUR responsibility to take your own diligent precautions if you choose to act in disagreement. If you are lax, and they fall on you, you can bitch all you want that it is not right, archaic minded, unfair and unjust. They will just slap you down and tell you to move yourself and that kinda talk to Vegas. However, in the end, the fault is YOURS...because the rulers declared absolutely upfront what is moral, right, and legal and demanded compliance.

[BadBoy]

Aww, jeeze, I just like to fuck with gorgeous women, don't care if it is illegal, know it is illegal, willing to take the chance because I really like to fuck with gorgeous women.

Morality has nothing to do with who you fuck; it has everything to do with how you treat people who can do absolutely nothing for you in return.

[Kali Sensual Reiki]

Ya the government just wants money and control. The less government we have the better life is. 

[scarecrow]

I read these type of stories from time to time but they never set well with me. Always seems to be something missing from the story. 

I was in the hotel business for decades. I did everything from doorman to general manager. To the best of my memory, beyond the high school party, I only called the police on two guest. One took a shot at me, the other had drugs delivered to the hotel and we mistakenly opened the package thinking it was to the housekeeping. 

Some of the hotels where high end hotels, some weren't as prestigious but all offered good service, clean and a safe place to stay. Many of the hotel guest where female travelers. Some of those travelers where CEOs of major companies who had assistance or may have used their room conduct a more private conversation. Often times they would use the lobby, conference room or the lounge but nothing would have been suspicious if and when she used her room. 

How did the desk clerk know it wasn't Carly Fjorina, Chief Executive Officer of Hewlett-Packard. The hotel doesn't want the bad publicity because a $9.00 an hour desk clerk doesn't know who the former President candidate is and called the police on her, thinking she was an escort. Maybe the CEO of Avon was looking to good for the hotel clerk.... better call the police. The all girl punk band that seemed to stay in character hoping to promote themselves dressed a little to slutty for the desk clerk... better call the police, they might be escorts. 

If I thought someone was being hurt, abused, or used, I would have called the police but if I called the police on a paying guest or a guest of a guest who where minding their own business, no danger to themselves, the hotel employees or other guest.. it would have been the last day I worked for that hotel. I would have been fired. It was my job to provide a safe, clean place for all guests. 

 

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, scarecrow said:

I read these type of stories from time to time but they never set well with me. Always seems to be something missing from the story. 

I was in the hotel business for decades. ...

If I thought someone was being hurt, abused, or used, I would have called the police but if I called the police on a paying guest or a guest of a guest who where minding their own business, no danger to themselves, the hotel employees or other guest.. it would have been the last day I worked for that hotel. I would have been fired. It was my job to provide a safe, clean place for all guests. 

 

Probably in the days before the anti-trafficking crowd hyped up the mantra that ALL sex workers must be coerced and started pushing for grant money. 

[FuriousWeasel]

11 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Probably in the days before the anti-trafficking crowd hyped up the mantra that ALL sex workers must be coerced and started pushing for grant money. 

It would be interesting to talk to a current couple clerks to find out what the "unofficial" policy is now.

[NoCoGeezer]

Even before the anti-trafficking crowd, some towns' PD were working with hotels/motels around this. Seem to recall seeing stories 10+ years ago around Louisville (CO) having the motels keep an eye out. In one case, a highly regarded provider at the time got caught up since the woman working with her was in one of these motels, got busted, and showed PD the residential incall location in use.

Seem to recall threads on this board from a couple of years back re: some of the major hotel chains setting programs to watch out for this. Can't recall if there was a bounty system put into place or not.

[gr8owl]

On 4/6/2017 at 7:08 PM, Ile Haversnatch said:

As usual, you're all over the place. Only responding to issues bought up in thread - discussing issues - kinda point of a forum First, it's not that escorting should be legal, it is; at least in Colorado and most parts of the country. And based on the "Escort Services" heading on this lawyer's site https://www.new-york-lawyers.org/escort-services-prostitution-and-unlicensed-massage.html, I suspect it is in New York too, but could not confirm it.Just a diversion from what was being discussed.  Of course "escorting" is legal - as long as you get a permit and DO NOT OFFER SEX FOR PAY.  But nice irrelevancy

Second, how do you know anything about the "prostitute" mentioned in the "lame ass reporting job", never mind how well known an "escort" he/she was (the provider's gender, or whatever it's called these days, was not mentioned), when the distinction exists in legal statutes? In other words, what differentiates a run of the mill prostitute (street walker) from an escort is one has a license to provide companionship, the other's just slinging. Talk about irrelevant, I'm confident that distinction cannot be established based on the information provided in the article. Simple logic, which seems to escape you.  One of the two individuals in the story had to either be working with police (WAS as sting) or had to roll when confronted.  So the lady rolled so fast they could nab the john before he hit the parking lot?? Bullshit.

Lastly, my reference to Judeo-Christian tenets are absolutely relevant and not a thinly veiled slam but directly such. Forgive the assumption but, it seems obvious you do "believe in that religious construct", as I strike a nerve each time its mentioned, and you'll just have to get over it. If right, and you don't have to man up here, you've got a lot of nerve, participating in an escort board as an apologist for Judeo-Christian "values" with reviews on your profile. It reminds me of the saying/bumper sticker, I'm not perfect, just forgiven. GTFOH, hypocrite. You continue to make disparaging comments about a group of people when they have nothing to do with the topic at hand and I continue to call you on it.  Then you try to make erroneous assumption about my beliefs and try to insult me based upon your ludicrous assumptions.  I do not have to believe in the religion to defend its right to be left out of your diatribes anymore than I have to be black to call out racism or gay to call out "homophobia."  And why should I have "get over it" regarding prejudicial, tangential and insulting bullshit from someone who has been here all of a month?  Not happening - spout bullshit and you get called on it.

On a related note: http://www.city-data.com/forum/relationships/1966027-sex-escort-legal-yes-legal.html

 

[gr8owl]

3 hours ago, scarecrow said:

I read these type of stories from time to time but they never set well with me. Always seems to be something missing from the story. 

 

 

Precisely.  Thank you.

[Ile Haversnatch]

1 hour ago, gr8owl said:

 

Well damn, I'm unsure whether by "spout bullshit" you mean to say you know and don't buy the thesis, think I'm making shit up or are simply a...contradictory person. Wait. Ohhhh, fuck it! It's easier to realize discussion is not what you do; what you do is provocate and that's fine; there's always one. 

Although basic, common knowledge https://integrity.mit.edu/handbook/citing-your-sources/what-common-knowledge to me, an inquisitive person or caveman need only (gotta love) Google "judeo-christian view on sex" as even I did to find this (at the very top!): http://www.cybercollege.com/history.htm. Read it? Bullshit, I know. But where that particular article may lack scholar, there's plenty more; I can only hope one will suit your fancy. Nevertheless, this article seems based on the same common sense...I meant, knowledge known to me for a long, long time http://www.cybercollege.com/history.htm. Alas, I'm perfectly willing to accept your common knowledge differs. Opinions are like holes in the ground, when we can't tell our assholes.

I do disparage religion, all of them. In fact, I think that religions are like penises. It's fine that you have one and hope you're proud of it (teehee), just don't go whipping it out in public! But I digress. Just so happens our is (drum roll, please!)...Judeo-Christian. And I struggle because, the truth, that at least one Judeo-Christian guru simultaneously created the evil of prostitution while supporting the need for it, contrary to rule one http://www.cybercollege.com/history.htm, can't be disparaging http://www.bluemaumau.org/nondisparagement_clause. Go figure.

I'm good because, with more and more in agreement https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-changing-culture/201505/the-real-reason-religion-is-declining-in-america, I'm sure to be in good company and, have no doubt, will sleep at night without complete consensus. Another thing I learned long ago is you can't be all things to all people. Well, and that some can't handle the truth.

I value your input, wise (owl) guy and not just because it sharpens my research skills but because, somewhere deep inside, you're a fine fellow. Cue Sandman.

Before I go, some have God, I have Google on my side . Gone.

Edited April 8, 2017 by Ile Haversnatch

[gr8owl]

Wow, you are correct - with sources of such weight and authority as cybercollege.com and bluemaumau I must relent..

If you want to argue the merits of atheism and how psychology explains everything, there are places to do that, but this is an escort board and you are simply demeaning a group of people when there is no connection to the story at hand.  But to suggest that current prostitution and trafficking laws are just Judeo-Christian burdens placed upon society and that all that believe in that religion are to blame for current law is  to ignore reality.  Oh, and citing Psychology Today to support the brilliance of modern psychology is perhaps a tad circular. 

[Audrey Astor]

33 minutes ago, Ile Haversnatch said:

Well damn, I'm unsure whether by "spout bullshit" you mean to say you know and don't buy the thesis, think I'm making shit up or are simply a...contradictory person. Wait. Ohhhh, fuck it! It's easier to realize discussion is not what you do; what you do is provocate and that's fine; there's always one. 

Although basic, common knowledge https://integrity.mit.edu/handbook/citing-your-sources/what-common-knowledge to me, an inquisitive person or caveman need only (gotta love) Google "judeo-christian view on sex" as even I did to find this (at the very top!): http://www.cybercollege.com/history.htm. Read it? Bullshit, I know. But where that particular article may lack scholar, there's plenty more; I can only hope one will suit your fancy. Nevertheless, this article seems based on the same common sense...I meant, knowledge known to me for a long, long time http://www.cybercollege.com/history.htm. Alas, I'm perfectly willing to accept your common knowledge differs. Opinions are like holes in the ground, when we can't tell our assholes.

I do disparage religion, all of them. In fact, I think that religions are like penises. It's fine that you have one and hope you're proud of it (teehee), just don't go whipping it out in public! But I digress. Just so happens our is (drum roll, please!)...Judeo-Christian. And I struggle because, the truth, that at least one Judeo-Christian guru simultaneously created the evil of prostitution while supporting the need for it, contrary to rule one http://www.cybercollege.com/history.htm, can't be disparaging http://www.bluemaumau.org/nondisparagement_clause. Go figure.

I'm good because, with more and more in agreement https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-changing-culture/201505/the-real-reason-religion-is-declining-in-america, I'm sure to be in good company and, have no doubt, will sleep at night without complete consensus. Another thing I learned long ago is you can't be all things to all people. Well, and that some can't handle the truth.

I value your input, wise (owl) guy and not just because it sharpens my research skills but because, somewhere deep inside, you're a fine fellow. Cue Sandman.

Before I go, some have God, I have Google on my side . Gone.

I believe you, and I believe the article. It's basically what Bit said. The government, LE, and the media have society hopped up, into believing that all escorts are trafficked. This has put your average Joe Blow, hotel clerk etc. on heightened alert and believing that they can be "Captain Save a Ho". 

There are certain chains that are no longer there just to give good service, unfortunately.

 

[Ile Haversnatch]

2 minutes ago, Audrey Astor said:

I believe you, and I believe the article. It's basically what Bit said. The government, LE, and the media have society hopped up, into believing that all escorts are trafficked. This has put your average Joe Blow, hotel clerk etc. on heightened alert and believing that they can be "Captain Save a Ho". 

There are certain chains that are no longer there just to give good service, unfortunately.

 

Finally, a friend well, a believer at least