Posted March 14, 2017 There is a recent thread about a well-reviewed lady from Colorado Springs having a bad experience on a work trip to Denver and vowing to never go back. It's interesting in that we've heard many times of well-review ladies from Denver traveling to Colorado Springs and being disappointed. Now we hear of a well-reviewed lady from Colorado Springs traveling to Denver and being disappointed. Is traveling itself just a bad idea? Is more advanced advertising needed? I know that I look at the Colorado Springs ad board on a regular basis for ladies traveling here (which I rarely find). Occasionally one will post an ad once they are already here. I know I personally would like to have a little notice that a lady is coming here so I can do a little research, clear my schedule and leave time for scheduling and screening. Just wondering if most of the trips the ladies go this bad, or are most good and we only hear about the bad ones. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Mustang87 said: There is a recent thread about a well-reviewed lady from Colorado Springs having a bad experience on a work trip to Denver and vowing to never go back. It's interesting in that we've heard many times of well-review ladies from Denver traveling to Colorado Springs and being disappointed. Now we hear of a well-reviewed lady from Colorado Springs traveling to Denver and being disappointed. Is traveling itself just a bad idea? Is more advanced advertising needed? I know that I look at the Colorado Springs ad board on a regular basis for ladies traveling here (which I rarely find). Occasionally one will post an ad once they are already here. I know I personally would like to have a little notice that a lady is coming here so I can do a little research, clear my schedule and leave time for scheduling and screening. Just wondering if most of the trips the ladies go this bad, or are most good and we only hear about the bad ones. Great question! Okay Miss Wanderlusties, this one is for all of you. I've never taken my show on the road but if I did, what can I do as a provider to be more successful out of town? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) I think there is a difference between 'taking the show on the road' and visiting a neighboring burg (CoS/Den/FtC). But in both instances, pre-advertising and pre-booking are essential. I think where the CoS & FtC providers get it wrong is because we seem to be one big community, they forget their marketing shift. True, transportation costs are less than say Grand Junction, but you still need a base of operations. W/o guaranteed revenue, this is an expensive proposition. With pre-advertising, clients can get their ducks in order before you show up, setting aside time & $s for you. Also, many of the newer (former BP?) members from out-of-town also have to build a solid reputation. Edited March 14, 2017 by Bit Banger 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2017 Good point. A hotel in Denver for a couple of days is different then picking up and heading to the east coast. I wonder which has the greater success rate? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2017 I've read other providers from different states that are touring in Denver say our market has a tendency of being "schizophrenic". Possibly from our dramatic weather changes? So that may play a role in the above mentioned provider's complaints. I'm considering going to Albaquerque sometime as I've heard that noone goes there since it's well... Albaquerque. And the Backpage section for it doesn't have too many ads. So there's a shortage of escorts and its only 6 hours away. SafeOffice has a list of ratings/reviews for cities to tour at, a blacklist and also a nice list of hotels with reviews for how good they are to use for this with info like if they have a key card elevator or not. Sigup is kinda weird for them they try to somewhat hide their true purpose, google it to figure it out. And they ofc require the typical verification other sites like it do. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, TS Madison Proudmoore said: I've read other providers from different states that are touring in Denver say our market has a tendency of being "schizophrenic". Possibly from our dramatic weather changes? So that may play a role in the above mentioned provider's complaints. I'm considering going to Albaquerque sometime as I've heard that noone goes there since it's well... Albaquerque. And the Backpage section for it doesn't have too many ads. So there's a shortage of escorts and its only 6 hours away. SafeOffice has a list of ratings/reviews for cities to tour at, a blacklist and also a nice list of hotels with reviews for how good they are to use for this with info like if they have a key card elevator or not. Sigup is kinda weird for them they try to somewhat hide their true purpose, google it to figure it out. And they ofc require the typical verification other sites like it do. What is this SafeOffice I keep seeing ladies talk about? I would love to know as I travel a lot. xoxo, Samantha Sheppard 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2017 21 minutes ago, SultryKitten said: What is this SafeOffice I keep seeing ladies talk about? I would love to know as I travel a lot. xoxo, Samantha Sheppard https://safeoffice.com/lp/ The homepage will likely confuse you as it did me. Just sign up for an account and choose "provider" from the drop down for account type. Then once your signed up you have to contact the admin to verify you and when you do send a picture of you holding a time-stamped sign and a link to your reviews and website and stuff and you'll get approved to see the actual site. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2017 On 3/14/2017 at 1:03 PM, Bit Banger said: I think there is a difference between 'taking the show on the road' and visiting a neighboring burg (CoS/Den/FtC). But in both instances, pre-advertising and pre-booking are essential. I think where the CoS & FtC providers get it wrong is because we seem to be one big community, they forget their marketing shift. True, transportation costs are less than say Grand Junction, but you still need a base of operations. W/o guaranteed revenue, this is an expensive proposition. With pre-advertising, clients can get their ducks in order before you show up, setting aside time & $s for you. Also, many of the newer (former BP?) members from out-of-town also have to build a solid reputation. Pre-advertising and prebooking hardly ever work. Traveling never has guaranteed revenue unless clients are prepaying. Even if it's just from the Springs to Denver.The current climate in Denver and really across the country is same day business. The more money a session costs or the longer it is are the biggest prebooking reasons. The majority of clients we see have to sneak this into their day and they don't know until that day whether or not they're going to make an appointment Denver isn't a hot city right now, no one is making the big bucks. It has nothing to do with ladies not adjusting to a market and everything to do with Denver being a crap market. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, TS Madison Proudmoore said: I've read other providers from different states that are touring in Denver say our market has a tendency of being "schizophrenic". Possibly from our dramatic weather changes? So that may play a role in the above mentioned provider's complaints. I'm considering going to Albaquerque sometime as I've heard that noone goes there since it's well... Albaquerque. And the Backpage section for it doesn't have too many ads. So there's a shortage of escorts and its only 6 hours away. SafeOffice has a list of ratings/reviews for cities to tour at, a blacklist and also a nice list of hotels with reviews for how good they are to use for this with info like if they have a key card elevator or not. Sigup is kinda weird for them they try to somewhat hide their true purpose, google it to figure it out. And they ofc require the typical verification other sites like it do. My personal rule with touring is go big or go home. I don't do as well in less populated areas and prefer areas with a large population of the clientele I do well with. It seems counter intuitive but the larger the population the better the business. ABQ doesn't have a lot of BP listings for a reason, because like you said it's ABQ. I just got back from NYC and tripled my investment. In a city of 8 million and a constant flow of travelers there is so much business to be had. I like the Seattle/Bellevue area too. They are crazy expensive cities to travel to but there is money to be made. I notice that it when it comes to touring providers do some funny things. We either follow each other around or we stick close to home and try and make small towns work. I strongly suggest that providers take the plunge and try some bigger cities. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 15, 2017 Oh Lucy! Wild.. I have the opposite experience! I love traveling to smaller cities... feels to me that the bigger cities have so many touring providers coming through, plus a huge stash of their own, that yet another provider isnt too big of a deal. While, when I visit smaller or at the least, not as popular to tour places...they are like OMG someone is touring here!!! YAY lol!!! This year though, I do want to finally hit up the really big cities everyone else goes to all the time, all the old standards...NYC, DC, NOVA and though Ive been to Boston, Ill give it another go too. East coast is easier for me, but the midwesterners are quite friendly. I would love to come to CO... and Ill admit, am kind of nervous because I have heard its not the best place to tour to..that guys arent all that welcoming to touring providers. But I visited Denver once for business, and have always wanted to come back because I thought it was beautiful and want to be able to see more of it. I figure a tour is a good excuse...if it does turn out to be bad, then all is not lost...at least I got to come back...but if the guys are welcoming, then even better, cause Ill have a reason to keep coming back. For all my tours, I put out feelers a month, then a couple weeks ahead of time. Then, within 2 week time frame advertise everywhere that I will be there...so a guy has at least a month, sometimes more, to prepare himself with plenty reminders right up til Im there. Some cities just suck for prebook, they wait til you get there...Other cities, guys want to make very sure they can see you and will prebook right away. The market is just different everywhere. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2017 6 hours ago, TS Madison Proudmoore said: I've read other providers from different states that are touring in Denver say our market has a tendency of being "schizophrenic". Possibly from our dramatic weather changes? So that may play a role in the above mentioned provider's complaints. I'm considering going to Albaquerque sometime as I've heard that noone goes there since it's well... Albaquerque. And the Backpage section for it doesn't have too many ads. So there's a shortage of escorts and its only 6 hours away. I moved from Colorado to Albuquerque eight months ago. I'd lived here previously. I don't know anything about being a provider let alone a traveling provider but I know a little about Albuquerque. I don't participate when I'm here, I don't even bother looking at BP. I wait until I can see a girl in Colorado. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 16, 2017 we call it "Albuquirky" for a reason 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2017 On 3/15/2017 at 3:49 PM, NicoleSaunders said: Oh Lucy! Wild.. I have the opposite experience! I love traveling to smaller cities... feels to me that the bigger cities have so many touring providers coming through, plus a huge stash of their own, that yet another provider isnt too big of a deal. While, when I visit smaller or at the least, not as popular to tour places...they are like OMG someone is touring here!!! YAY lol!!! This year though, I do want to finally hit up the really big cities everyone else goes to all the time, all the old standards...NYC, DC, NOVA and though Ive been to Boston, Ill give it another go too. East coast is easier for me, but the midwesterners are quite friendly. I would love to come to CO... and Ill admit, am kind of nervous because I have heard its not the best place to tour to..that guys arent all that welcoming to touring providers. But I visited Denver once for business, and have always wanted to come back because I thought it was beautiful and want to be able to see more of it. I figure a tour is a good excuse...if it does turn out to be bad, then all is not lost...at least I got to come back...but if the guys are welcoming, then even better, cause Ill have a reason to keep coming back. For all my tours, I put out feelers a month, then a couple weeks ahead of time. Then, within 2 week time frame advertise everywhere that I will be there...so a guy has at least a month, sometimes more, to prepare himself with plenty reminders right up til Im there. Some cities just suck for prebook, they wait til you get there...Other cities, guys want to make very sure they can see you and will prebook right away. The market is just different everywhere. Well part of my deal is that I don't drive so some of the smaller cities are hard for me to travel to. I am also lazy when it comes to tours, I don't advertise before hand and I don't take prebooks. I am more of a fly by the seat of my pants kinda gal and it really has worked out for me. Planning ahead always seems to backfire for me. I just make sure that my costs are covered so if the tour is a flop I don't totally lose out. It seems weird to travel big cities when there are already tons of providers but there are markets that can support it. It also has a lot to do with where providers decide to set up shop. So often providers go to new cities and stick close to the airports or to less expensive burbs. I like to go right to the heart of all the business, like when I travel to Seattle I like to hang out where all the Microsoft guys are and in NYC the best place to be is Midtown Manhattan. Denver isn't great for touring, I may get heat for this but it's really not. Clients aren't always very good to touring ladies and other provider aren't always either. Clients here want pages of history if you don't use TOB and providers are hesitant to give references. It's a saturated market with not a lot of money coming into it currently. I am hoping and thinking that a lot of this has to do with the boom that Denver went through and the rising costs of living but this slump has lasted a while with no end in sight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2017 My reasons for avoiding touring providers in Denver are different. I'm try to avoid "one (session) and done", always hoping to encounter a new favorite, develop some sort of continuing connection. Touring providers won't be here next month. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said: Well part of my deal is that I don't drive so some of the smaller cities are hard for me to travel to. I am also lazy when it comes to tours, I don't advertise before hand and I don't take prebooks. I am more of a fly by the seat of my pants kinda gal and it really has worked out for me. Planning ahead always seems to backfire for me. I just make sure that my costs are covered so if the tour is a flop I don't totally lose out. It seems weird to travel big cities when there are already tons of providers but there are markets that can support it. It also has a lot to do with where providers decide to set up shop. So often providers go to new cities and stick close to the airports or to less expensive burbs. I like to go right to the heart of all the business, like when I travel to Seattle I like to hang out where all the Microsoft guys are and in NYC the best place to be is Midtown Manhattan. Denver isn't great for touring, I may get heat for this but it's really not. Clients aren't always very good to touring ladies and other provider aren't always either. Clients here want pages of history if you don't use TOB and providers are hesitant to give references. It's a saturated market with not a lot of money coming into it currently. I am hoping and thinking that a lot of this has to do with the boom that Denver went through and the rising costs of living but this slump has lasted a while with no end in sight. Yeah, thats the thing that sucks about living in SoFla....if I were to drive north for 10 hours Id be in Georga. or Alabama. So to get anywhere from here I have to plan a trip to get there and flights in and out of Miami are expensive. Actually I am super jealous of ladies who can within a couple hours drive or a short cheap flight be in a totally different state. If I could do that, Id tour way more often...it would so be like me to say meh, I think Ill head to VA for the weekend without having to plan and budget for it. That would be awesome lol I do agree with you, that sticking around near an airport or out in the burbs just cause hotels are cheaper there are the worst. Its no point of you're not in a central, convenient to get to location. Yeah, everything you are saying about CO is exactly what Ive heard. But...Im bullheaded lol I will find myself there still, for sure. Not to get too far off track...but Seattle is good for you?! I want to go there so, so badly but I heard thats not such a great place either. But I want to go so badly!!! Its my favorite city...and yeah, between Microsoft, Boeing, Starbucks..Im surprised ladies have a hard time there!!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2017 Nicole, drive to Tampa and fly SouthWest. Their fares to Denver are reasonable. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, Bit Banger said: Nicole, drive to Tampa and fly SouthWest. Their fares to Denver are reasonable. Frontier flies direct from Orlando to Colorado Springs 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 17, 2017 On 3/15/2017 at 3:49 PM, NicoleSaunders said: Oh Lucy! Wild.. I have the opposite experience! I love traveling to smaller cities... feels to me that the bigger cities have so many touring providers coming through, plus a huge stash of their own, that yet another provider isnt too big of a deal. While, when I visit smaller or at the least, not as popular to tour places...they are like OMG someone is touring here!!! YAY lol!!! This year though, I do want to finally hit up the really big cities everyone else goes to all the time, all the old standards...NYC, DC, NOVA and though Ive been to Boston, Ill give it another go too. East coast is easier for me, but the midwesterners are quite friendly. I would love to come to CO... and Ill admit, am kind of nervous because I have heard its not the best place to tour to..that guys arent all that welcoming to touring providers. But I visited Denver once for business, and have always wanted to come back because I thought it was beautiful and want to be able to see more of it. I figure a tour is a good excuse...if it does turn out to be bad, then all is not lost...at least I got to come back...but if the guys are welcoming, then even better, cause Ill have a reason to keep coming back. For all my tours, I put out feelers a month, then a couple weeks ahead of time. Then, within 2 week time frame advertise everywhere that I will be there...so a guy has at least a month, sometimes more, to prepare himself with plenty reminders right up til Im there. Some cities just suck for prebook, they wait til you get there...Other cities, guys want to make very sure they can see you and will prebook right away. The market is just different everywhere. Nicole, there are many ladies that tour Denver, and the same ones keep coming back, and back.. I think they must do well here. And other than holiday time, I stay as busy as I want to be. I'm sure you would do well here. I'm glad you had a good and lurative trip Lucy, that's great to hear. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, NicoleSaunders said: Yeah, thats the thing that sucks about living in SoFla....if I were to drive north for 10 hours Id be in Georga. or Alabama. So to get anywhere from here I have to plan a trip to get there and flights in and out of Miami are expensive. Actually I am super jealous of ladies who can within a couple hours drive or a short cheap flight be in a totally different state. If I could do that, Id tour way more often...it would so be like me to say meh, I think Ill head to VA for the weekend without having to plan and budget for it. That would be awesome lol I do agree with you, that sticking around near an airport or out in the burbs just cause hotels are cheaper there are the worst. Its no point of you're not in a central, convenient to get to location. Yeah, everything you are saying about CO is exactly what Ive heard. But...Im bullheaded lol I will find myself there still, for sure. Not to get too far off track...but Seattle is good for you?! I want to go there so, so badly but I heard thats not such a great place either. But I want to go so badly!!! Its my favorite city...and yeah, between Microsoft, Boeing, Starbucks..Im surprised ladies have a hard time there!!! Seattle I think is all about where you stay and what your price range is, the spectrum of providers and prices there is totally bizarre. I stay in Bellevue which is expensive but it's their version of the Denver Tech Center which I realize you're probably not totally familiar with. But it's the home of many of the big businesses, Redmond is a good spot too definitely more of a suburb but still plenty of business. My last visit I split my time between Bellevue and Seattle proper, the clientele was very different but so were my locations. It was a quirky not high end spot but in a GREAT neighborhood. Bellevue and downtown Seattle are the best spots and they love TNA like we love TOB. Denver is getting expensive to fly in and out of too, cheaper to fly out but crazy expensive to fly in. I agree with the suggestion to just travel to a cheaper nearby airport. Driving around to other states is all fun and games until you realize your neighbor is Nebraska! I just get wild hairs to go somewhere and search for really cheap tickets. I do plan and budget my trips, I just don't throw the feelers out there before I travel I just dive in head first. I also think a lot of ladies make the touring look easier and more luxurious than it really is when the reality is they're three deep in a hotel room and sharing all the costs. My NYC trip was part pleasure part business and air fair and hotel cost me right around $900 which I made back in my first day of business. I am most definitely not a braggart sometimes it's just easier to put the actual numbers out there so providers can determine what's right for them. I was afraid of touring for a long time because I was always afraid of taking it as a loss and really just not knowing how other markets work but once I had taken the plunge it got easier. Now I am kind of hooked. The biggest plus to touring is that wherever you go you always get to be the new girl. The current hot spots seem to be DC, Northern Virginia/Tyson's Corner, Boston, NYC, and SF and surrounding areas and touring seems to be the new trend. I do strongly suggest that all providers take the plunge and seriously tour and not just the small towns in the corners of their states. There are lots of great locations where you can make good money and have a good time. If you want to try Seattle I seriously suggest it, it was good to me and know it can be good to others. And if business isn't so great there are endless ways to entertain yourself. I am thinking about heading there next month I have the ticket booked but am unsure if I want to pay their crazy hotel prices. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2017 Seattle is a good town to check out which bands are touring through there and picking a good weekend or two around an applicable band in the arena and then in the smaller clubs. San Antonio and Sacramento can be like that too... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Bit Banger said: My reasons for avoiding touring providers in Denver are different. I'm try to avoid "one (session) and done", always hoping to encounter a new favorite, develop some sort of continuing connection. Touring providers won't be here next month. I actually like touring providers that are from cities I frequently travel on business to visit. Means I can catch her at home when I'm "touring". There are at least three such ladies on my short list. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2017 1 hour ago, cuddlybear99 said: I actually like touring providers that are from cities I frequently travel on business to visit. Means I can catch her at home when I'm "touring". There are at least three such ladies on my short list. Lol. When I traveled for work all the time my black book had entries with the YLs working name and then the city. Betty Portland, and so on... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2017 Thank you so so much for all that info Lucy!!!! Okay, that really helps me out a lot perspective wise...no worries, you dont sound like you are bragging at all lol I love hearing that another lady is doing well with something, cause that helps me to fully realize the possibilities I know Bellvue as the place Id go to for dinner whenever I was in Seattle...there are some great places all around there and I loved the area, and Ive only ever stayed downtown, so just from what Ive seen, I can see how how those would be great areas to tour in. Eeep! Excited!!! Yes, when it comes to touring, I have many times also seen guys who came to my city for work, and we have even by chance been in a completely different city at the same time to be able to see each other. So for guys who also travel, being able to see a touring lady isnt always a one off thing. Also, if I were to find a city that was *very* good to me, Id make it a point to visit several times a year. I still have so many places on my to do list, so still exploring to see what cities I do better in and should travel to more. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2017 16 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said: ... My NYC trip was part pleasure part business and air fair and hotel cost me right around $900 which I made back in my first day of business. I am most definitely not a braggart sometimes it's just easier to put the actual numbers out there so providers can determine what's right for them. ... Lucy, I did NOT take this as bragging. Just numerical data to support your analysis. Good job. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 18, 2017 On 3/15/2017 at 6:29 PM, bluesbroker said: I moved from Colorado to Albuquerque eight months ago. I'd lived here previously. I don't know anything about being a provider let alone a traveling provider but I know a little about Albuquerque. I don't participate when I'm here, I don't even bother looking at BP. I wait until I can see a girl in Colorado. I didn't mean to discourage providers from touring ABQ, God knows the opportunity is here. I'm not presumptuous enough to know how a provider would tap into it. This isn't quite the city portrayed on Breaking Bad but it's not far off depending on the area. Most of the touring providers stay near the airport. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
