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BBBJ and DFK

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I'd like to understand a phenomenon from the ladies point of view: What's the logic behind being ok with a BBBJ and not kissing (light or french)? Of the 15 or so ladies I have met with, way more have partook in a BBBJ than kissing. If its a safety thing, I'm sure BBBJ is a lot less safe than DFK, although I'm no doctor. If its an intimacy thing, I'd consider a BBBJ waaaaay more intimate than a kiss, JMO. Does any one else agree with me? I'd be great if someone could shed some light on this.

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Some ladies do not like to DFK, remember Pretty Woman, the movie, at first she would not kiss on the lips. Not trying to be a dick but do you have fresh breath, teeth brushed.

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I won't take offence. I've got extremely good oral hygiene and general hygiene as well, even if I do say so myself. I'm sure all the ladies I've met will attest to that. But getting back to the point, I've observed this with lots of the menu items the ladies have on offer as well.

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     Naturally, it will be better if ladies answer....but for some, doing so might make them uncomfortable as it would be kinda personal. Therefore, I will share some answers some providers have shared with me on this subject.  First, what you and I might consider as "intimate" , is not necessarily the same as what a woman would.  Indeed some providers DO see DFK as more intimate than work related BBBJ and reserve the DFK for that special someone. The same is sometimes true for BBBJ, and often ditto for DATY. Greek can fall into that category. I had a provider once tell me that EVERY girl in the business withholds SOMETHING that is only shared with "that special someone".  I suspect that is 99% true.

   When we remember that providers are people first, ladies second, and providers third, this makes sense. They would want something for a S.O. that the client does not get to experience. I know it would be better answered by ladies, and indeed some may choose to respond. Keep in mind however, as I said in the beginning, some ladies would naturally not want to share about what personal acts they reserve, any more than they would want to share the acts themselves.

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Well put Admiral. Thank you.

I have never, nor do I plan to, DATY or Greek. And no BBBJ isn't a deal breaker for me either. But it's just so perplexing when BBBJ is readily on offer and DFK or even LFK is reserved... I guess one of the many things men will never understand about women.

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every lady has her reason why she does or does not. from talking to some ladies, it's an intimacy thing for them. I was with a porn star a couple of years back. we did everything under the sun, and I mean everything! but her only no no was kissing.

I seek gfe dates. but I could not let this opportunity pass by me....

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14 minutes ago, parkercole said:

every lady has her reason why she does or does not. from talking to some ladies, it's an intimacy thing for them. I was with a porn star a couple of years back. we did everything under the sun, and I mean everything! but her only no no was kissing.

I seek gfe dates. but I could not let this opportunity pass by me....

Yep exactly my point. I guess we just have to attribute it to personal preference and move on.

Since you brought it up, many a times GFE is listed but that too doesn't include kissing. That really ticks me off!

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I know the feeling Raul. I booked a girl for GFE once. When we got together she asked me if I was sure I wanted the real GFE experience. I said yes. So, she called me a bastard, kicked me in the nuts, grabbed the money and ran out the door.

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8 hours ago, Admiral C said:

I know the feeling Raul. I booked a girl for GFE once. When we got together she asked me if I was sure I wanted the real GFE experience. I said yes. So, she called me a bastard, kicked me in the nuts, grabbed the money and ran out the door.

Time to get a new Girlfriend if that's been your experience. Preferably one that isn't BSC. LOL

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5 hours ago, TopNotch said:

Everyone has preferences but when this business followed codes and had some respect only addicts & street walkers offered those services.

Kissing is way more intimate then a bj. 5-15 % of diseases are thru oral & a mouth is much more dirty than a penis.

Providers or clients o.k. with DFK, daty, & bbbj statistically wise most like have herpes, HPV, or both and don't mind or will eventually contract it. It is also possible they're on the lower rung in this business and have to offer it to stay competitive.

 

Remember the old sayings if it's too good to be true...& you get what you pay for the clinic bill in a few weeks or a divorce is way more costly than being respectful of each other health due to the risks of sleeping around with multiple partners in an unsafe manner.

Pretty woman was a fairy tale very little truth but they did get that right. No kissing but the gfe ruined that when the internet gained critical mass. If your Kissing a women who escorts for a living you're also kissing the hundreds of penii duh

 

I suppose i could try to argue point by point but basically most of the above is either totally clueless or big time insulting especially to providers but johns as well. Most of it is both clueless and insulting.  Instead I just want to ask what your deal is because you sound like a jilted, cheated on wife. Here and other posts. 

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For me, I find that wrestling with my tonsils pretty gross. I have never really been a big DFK in this business nor my personal life excpet for the rare few that I get caught up in kissing, and even then I still stop when it comes to tongue down the throat.

I do find kissing more intimate than a bj, but then again, I really enjoy it and so it isn't a big deal to me  whereas kissing is. I have encountered people that have bad breathe that turn me off and that is also another factor. I also have a weird thing about saliva and seeing it...I can go from horny to turned off instantly when I see it. If they have bad breathe, I  pray real hard that they don't want to go down on me too. I mean, that area is open and he is putting his nasty mouth there...YUCK! I am conscious that the mouth is more likely to breed infection and spread disease than me going down on them so yeah, another reason I prefer it. I am anal about brushing my teeth and using listerine before any appointment, and I shower before all appointments too. I am a stickler about hygeine.

I am not saying that I won't kiss, but if someone doesn't push the issue...I don't really get upset over it. I do really enjoy it when I do have the clients that I do click with on that level and if they want to kiss...the more the merrier. I think this is a YMMV thing.

Yep, I am weird! Hope that this help[ answer your question. Maybe other ladies will chime in?

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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From kissing you can get mono, HSV, strep and a few others but I don't remember them all. 

From oral (especially to those giving)  you can get chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, HSV type 1 and 2, and HPV. All of which can live in your mouth and throat which you can of course pass along to others. 

Hell, I remember the PSA that went out when molloscum popped up on a provider, and after doing some reading it's not really hard to unknowingly spread that. So let's not kid ourselves. Basic hygiene is one thing but actually knowing the risks and how diseases spread is something else entirely. 

This is by no means saying anyone isn't taking care of their personal health or are dirty just that we should be smart and not fall into troupes or spread misinformation. 

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21 hours ago, raul said:

Well put Admiral. Thank you.

I have never, nor do I plan to, DATY or Greek. And no BBBJ isn't a deal breaker for me either. But it's just so perplexing when BBBJ is readily on offer and DFK or even LFK is reserved... I guess one of the many things men will never understand about women.

You have never engaged in dining at the Y, and yet you pine away because you aren't getting deep French kisses?  Time for a mental readjustment, try the lower lips, my friend, it is not only good, and good for you, but most of the ladies really like it, especially if you put time into learning how to do it right.  Don't get me wrong, I like long intimate kisses on both sets of lips, but if I had to choose, I'd probably go low.

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Lots of food for thought. Thanks!

2 hours ago, Badboy said:

but if I had to choose, I'd probably go low.

Wow, that is quite a statement. I guess I'll have to give it a try sometime. 

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5 hours ago, JoDoe27 said:

From kissing you can get mono, HSV, strep and a few others but I don't remember them all. 

From oral (especially to those giving)  you can get chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, HSV type 1 and 2, and HPV. All of which can live in your mouth and throat which you can of course pass along to others. 

Hell, I remember the PSA that went out when molloscum popped up on a provider, and after doing some reading it's not really hard to unknowingly spread that. So let's not kid ourselves. Basic hygiene is one thing but actually knowing the risks and how diseases spread is something else entirely. 

This is by no means saying anyone isn't taking care of their personal health or are dirty just that we should be smart and not fall into troupes or spread misinformation. 

There is only one way to be certain not to catch the diseases you list and more - abstinence. Not acceptable  to me. Full bare back and doing so frequently with multiple random partners and it is certain you will catch one or more. Also not acceptable. Everyone has to decide for their own needs and risk level they are comfortable with where to set up camp somewhere in the middle. For some that includes uncovered oral. Others no way. Etc. You are absolutely correct we should all be smart. To me that means gathering best available information and then weigh benefit vs risk. The facts include that condoms reduce but DO NOT ELIMINATE the odds of catching various things.

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17 hours ago, TopNotch said:

Please do if your daty with 1 provider you doing or trying to with every other one no?

If she bbbj with a client she's most likely offering with most clients no?

Now y'all kissing?

If you find the truth insulting so be it. Everyone is free to take whatever risks they please but don't be naive. It's simple 5th grade health class.

I find your whole attitude insulting but especially that there is now no respect for "codes" , that only addicts streetwalkers and "low rung" ladies that "have to" offer bbbj or dfk. 5th grade health? How about second grade respect and consideration? You are full of crap, arrogant and insulting. Again i ask - what is your deal?

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22 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

I find your whole attitude insulting but especially that there is now no respect for "codes" , that only addicts streetwalkers and "low rung" ladies that "have to" offer bbbj or dfk. 5th grade health? How about second grade respect and consideration? You are full of crap, arrogant and insulting. Again i ask - what is your deal?

Sending huge hugs to Gr8owl:D

I second the question of...what is your deal?

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2 minutes ago, Laci French said:

Sending huge hugs to Gr8owl:D

I second the question of...what is your deal?

Evidently you didn't get the memo...he's the new chosen one.

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I never get memos from the cool kids:(

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Just now, Laci French said:

I never get memos from the cool kids:(

Oooops...he's perhaps a she's, my bad LOL.

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37 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

IAgain i ask - what is your deal?

12 minutes ago, Laci French said:

Sending huge hugs to Gr8owl:D

I second the question of...what is your deal?

 

5 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

Oooops...he's perhaps a she's, my bad LOL.

 

Gang, it's the latest troll. To wit: public profile is female but ambiguous posting content; numerous mod edits for self promotion; inflammatory statements and inflated claims of expertise... And on.  Ignore it and it will go away. 

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Maybe the latest troll has an existing profile and set up this profile to remain anonymous?

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16 minutes ago, Laci French said:

I never get memos from the cool kids:(

Memo for the day...Trolls always think they know everything and everyone else is wrong.

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50 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

I find your whole attitude insulting but especially that there is now no respect for "codes" , that only addicts streetwalkers and "low rung" ladies that "have to" offer bbbj or dfk. 5th grade health? How about second grade respect and consideration? You are full of crap, arrogant and insulting. Again i ask - what is your deal?

I'm out of reps fore the day but +1 to gr8owl

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52 minutes ago, gr8owl said:

I find your whole attitude insulting but especially that there is now no respect for "codes" , that only addicts streetwalkers and "low rung" ladies that "have to" offer bbbj or dfk. 5th grade health? How about second grade respect and consideration? You are full of crap, arrogant and insulting. Again i ask - what is your deal?

Could be MAG but most definitely aTroll

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On 1/18/2017 at 8:02 AM, TopNotch said:

Everyone has preferences but when this business followed codes and had some respect only addicts & street walkers offered those services.

Kissing is way more intimate then a bj. 5-15 % of diseases are thru oral & a mouth is much more dirty than a penis.

Providers or clients o.k. with DFK, daty, & bbbj statistically wise most like have herpes, HPV, or both and don't mind or will eventually contract it. It is also possible they're on the lower rung in this business and have to offer it to stay competitive.

 

Remember the old sayings if it's too good to be true...& you get what you pay for the clinic bill in a few weeks or a divorce is way more costly than being respectful of each other health due to the risks of sleeping around with multiple partners in an unsafe manner.

Pretty woman was a fairy tale very little truth but they did get that right. No kissing but the gfe ruined that when the internet gained critical mass. If your Kissing a women who escorts for a living you're also kissing the hundreds of penii duh

 

Welcome to the board. We haven't had a Troll stir things up like this in a few weeks. Keep it up and you'll have lots of negative attention...just like you want.

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4 hours ago, MrBigShot said:

Could be MAG but most definitely aTroll

Definitely not Mag. Mag was articulate and knew how to write.

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7 hours ago, MrBigShot said:

Could be MAG but most definitely aTroll

ssssshhhh He will hear you lol. JK  

I Agree with inkspot MAG is articulate.  And while occasionally a pain in the ass not what I would call a troll and he did have good points from time to time.  So, no, TN is no MAG.

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14 hours ago, inkspot said:

Definitely not Mag. Mag was articulate and knew how to write.

I agree. MAG was more of a wordsmith and was grammatically correct in his posts. Top Notch is just a Troll seeking attention

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