References question

[Don John]

Recently, I've seen providers asking for a real name, phone number and photo ID for verification.

For those of you hobbyists who do provide this information, why do you? What's your thinking? 

Again, don't want to beat a dead horse, but I'm genuinely curious to know. I wouldn't, but that's why I'm wondering why someone would.

[jj254-1]

Nah, just beating the ghost of the dead horse at this point. If you don't wanna provide that info, don't. See someone else. Just don't be a dick when you decline to provide it. 

[Vassago]

I'll say it once. NEVER give your real name. ALWAYS use a proxy phone number. NEVER bringyour ID to the session chamber. If that's not good enough for them they can take flying fuck through a rolling donut. They don't have an easy job. Far from it. But that's the risk of easy money. Protect yourself and your livelihood. Always. I can assure you they are not thinking of you first. 

[NoCoGeezer]

4 hours ago, jj254 said:

Just don't be a dick when you decline to provide it. 

And the same courtesy should go the other direction as well.

Recently tried to book with a provider, no where in ad about screening. Call, getting along nicely, then asks for real name. As I am politely explaing that I am not comfortable providing that, call disconnects (think on her end, as my side of the call was still active). Shortly after, get a long text message screed, basically stating I must be some sort of evil person that I don't want to give my name.

[inkspot]

You should have asked her for her real name and gage her response.  I would have responded exactly as you did. Her follow-up text is a pretty good indication of her personality. 

[Lucy Kitten]

I advocate for screening with real info but I don't demonize those who don't. Maybe it's time those who are anti personal info to do the same. Or maybe at least understand why those who do screen that way do what they do.

 

[Lucy Kitten]

25 minutes ago, inkspot said:

You should have asked her for her real name and gage her response.  I would have responded exactly as you did. Her follow-up text is a pretty good indication of her personality. 

You want to hurt a provider you can easily, you don't need her real name. As anonymous clients you're free from retribution but providers aren't. You don't need a real name to tattle on a provider to the police or the hotel they may be working at, or to write a scathing review or to smear a name in a discussion forum.

[Bit Banger]

1 hour ago, Lucy Kitten said:

... You don't need a real name to tattle on a provider to the police or the hotel they may be working at, or to write a scathing review or to smear a name in a discussion forum.

... You don't need a real name to tattle on a CLIENT to ... write a scathing review or to smear a name in a discussion forum.

I wonder how many ASPs would submit to RW screening?

[Kyla Young]

I am also one of those providers unless you are on p4 or a reviewer. I had way too much trouble with references and after some not good things I also ask for the RW info. 90% of my clients do send one of the options because they research and know I am not one of the BSC providers,  that would have come out if I was after 16 years in the biz.

A lot of the touring providers and higher scale providers are requiring RW info.  But my form on my site auto deletes and if they text or email I delete in front of them. 

HOWEVER.....

there are BSC girls that will use your info badly. Do your research! Google her number, name, email. You can find our RW info very easily and read our reviews. We should be able to feel comfortable and know a little about you and if you aren't there are plenty that don't screen or screen behind the scene that will take a chance, if you are worried join p4

By the way the smart girls already know who you are before getting the verification. It just helps us know that is you or feel more comfortable. 

good luck and have fun hobbying!

[Kyla Young]

On 12/16/2016 at 10:17 AM, Bit Banger said:

... You don't need a real name to tattle on a CLIENT to ... write a scathing review or to smear a name in a discussion forum.

I wonder how many ASPs would submit to RW screening?

My info is all out there due to some unfortunate things mainly being outed on public boards. I just ask the ones who say my RW info we are in fantasy time let's stay that way and I do the same for them 

[Don John]

On 12/16/2016 at 0:18 AM, jj254 said:

Nah, just beating the ghost of the dead horse at this point. If you don't wanna provide that info, don't. See someone else. Just don't be a dick when you decline to provide it. 

My question is aimed at those who do provide their RW info. I'm not debating whether or not to give it. As you point out, that's up to the individual. I'm just wondering why those who choose to do so decide that it's okay with them. It's clear why a provider would ask; less clear why a hobbyist would comply.

[Bit Banger]

For a conventional session, no. But as trust develops through repeat visits, RW information is sometimes exchanged. There are circumstances, ex. travel, where such information is needed. There is also the issue where some stage names are not appropriate for public encounters. (Ladies, please consider this when choosing your handles.)

[JoDoe27]

2 hours ago, Don John said:

My question is aimed at those who do provide their RW info. I'm not debating whether or not to give it. As you point out, that's up to the individual. I'm just wondering why those who choose to do so decide that it's okay with them. It's clear why a provider would ask; less clear why a hobbyist would comply.

It's risk/reward. Really it's as simple as that. Not everyone participating has everything on the line when it comes to this. You just have to be ok with the worst case scenario. 

 

[Guest]

On 12/16/2016 at 10:17 AM, Bit Banger said:

I wonder how many ASPs would submit to RW screening?

I have done it.

On 12/18/2016 at 3:18 AM, Kyla Young said:

My info is all out there due to some unfortunate things mainly being outed on public boards. 

Your not alone on this either. Yup this happen to me as well.  Now I tell every client to NEVER give out his personal information ever again. 

[SultryKitten]

I am actually good friends with a handful of clients that I have seen over the years, and yes, they are even on my personal FB page. They earned my trust though, and I didn't make the decision lightly.

I hate to break it, but I know most of my clients' real names, address, info, etc. Of course, I am not a BSC lady that is going to use it against them and I could care less if they want to be Bob, Dave, or whatever they feel like today. If they want to live in their fantasy too, more power to them. I will find some means to screen though, and am very picky.

The girls requiring specific info probably feel that they have a lot more to lose,  have been seriously burned, or just don't feel comfortable seeing a "John Doe". Every provider runs their business how they see fit, and if it works for them-awesome! Like Kyla said, the smart ones know how to find what we are looking for, and with research you can find out quickly about a provider just as quickly as you can find info on the clients. It doesn't always happen and we will ask for more when needed, or if we don't feel comfortable. 

I think that clients that provide their real info like the feeling that the provider is taking an extra step to be safe, and they tend to be actually uncomfortable when they don't have to provide it. There is a sense of security when you jump through hoops to see someone specific, but don't rule this as a 100% fool proof plan...nothing is perfect.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

[SultryKitten]

I was outed too a looooong time ago. I picked myself up, dusted myself off, tweaked my business practice accordingly, and moved on. Life happens!!!

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

31 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said:

I have done it. I can prove I have. 

I also do not hide who really am.  

I also provide my STD testing with my real name too on it. I even post it on my advertisements.

Your not alone, a lot of girls are experiencing this. This is why you gentlemen need to stop fucking around and just get a p411 account. Then you don't have this problem anymore. If anyone bitches about oh you seen this girl so I cant see you.. NEXT! There are escorts who play games with giving references. Providers will say she gave you bad reference just so you will never see her again. When in fact she gave you a good references. That happen to me. This is why I CC both client and provider This prevents bullshit.  

I don't care what other people think.  If someone doesn't like it. BITCH SHUT UP AND PAY MY BILLS or LICK ME UNTIL I EXPLODE SO I CAN GET HAPPY ENDORPHINS otherwise shut they mouth.   

Your not alone on this either. Yup this happen to me as well.  Now I tell every client to NEVER give out his personal information ever again. 

 

 

 

I was outed too a looooong time ago. I picked myself up, dusted myself off, tweaked my business practice accordingly, and moved on. Life happens!!!

P411 doesn't work for everyone so telling everyone that they need to do that really hurts the providers that can't check them. Also, there are a huge number of clients taht do not feel comfortable providing their info to a website to be approved. Yes, while there are some ladies that make getting references hard...there are some ladies that are really great at giving them. Clients should make sure that the girl they saw is reference friendly if they want one from her, and a provider's job should be to do the same. I do my best to state to my clients that I am reference friendly, and my protocol to get one. 

If we all tried to work together, this business could be so much smoother and easier for everyone all around. *sigh* If only this dream was a reality.

xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, SultryKitten said:

P411 doesn't work for everyone so telling everyone that they need to do that really hurts the providers that can't check them.

Its not my fault some providers choose not to accept P411. Not my problem. 

[Guest]

Happy to give references. I ask all my clients to give me a heads up that he's calling so and so. When she calls, it's easy breezy. My pos flip phone for work doesn't store names right so most of the time I don't even save a guys number. 

There's all kinds of ways to screen people. Like other ladies mentioned, you can figure out who is bat shit crazy and who isn't. I personally don't have time to fuck with people, eventually they will get theirs. 

[SultryKitten]

30 minutes ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Its not my fault some providers choose not to accept P411. Not my problem. 

You are right that it isn't your problem. Just remember that everyone has different circumstances and reasons for not being on certain boards. 

If P411 works great for you then awesome. Everybody has to find their niche.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

[fishndude57]

Recently I filled out in detail an info sheet from a ladies website. 1st time I've ever done it, because it simply was the path of least resistance, and I really wanted to see this person. I then communicated through P411 that I had done so and invited her to see my profile there, which she did. I have no idea what she did to screen me, but I hold her in high respect, and she, ALL LADIES, deserve to be treated with their utmost respect, safety, and discretion, in mind at all times. We do too, I get that. I have no, ZERO, references available, I choose not to ask for them. I also choose to live in a Real World, and my experiences go far beyond this forum. The OP asked, I answered, because it's how I choose to do it. I have no regrets. 

[Guest]

On 12/15/2016 at 0:54 PM, Don John said:

Recently, I've seen providers asking for a real name, phone number and photo ID for verification.

For those of you hobbyists who do provide this information, why do you? What's your thinking? 

Again, don't want to beat a dead horse, but I'm genuinely curious to know. I wouldn't, but that's why I'm wondering why someone would.

As a provider I do light screening for safety reasons only. I don't see clients under 40 for a reason. Some potential clients that call seem to be offended by this but it's my personal choice. I would never ask for ID unless it's a youngin calling as a prank.

[Lucy Kitten]

18 hours ago, fishndude57 said:

Recently I filled out in detail an info sheet from a ladies website. 1st time I've ever done it, because it simply was the path of least resistance, and I really wanted to see this person. I then communicated through P411 that I had done so and invited her to see my profile there, which she did. I have no idea what she did to screen me, but I hold her in high respect, and she, ALL LADIES, deserve to be treated with their utmost respect, safety, and discretion, in mind at all times. We do too, I get that. I have no, ZERO, references available, I choose not to ask for them. I also choose to live in a Real World, and my experiences go far beyond this forum. The OP asked, I answered, because it's how I choose to do it. I have no regrets. 

Someone go and check on Fishndude and make sure he still has a pulse! Surely he must be dead or outed seeing as he posted this 18 hours ago!

He could have stopped after the second sentence because the answer is really easy. Guys give up the info because they really want to see a lady.

 

[fishndude57]

4 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

Someone go and check on Fishndude and make sure he still has a pulse! Surely he must be dead or outed seeing as he posted this 18 hours ago!

He could have stopped after the second sentence because the answer is really easy. Guys give up the info because they really want to see a lady.

 

You know better than that. Even when I simply converse with you, or you me, sometimes we both drop our shields. I'm also a Chatty person. Generally after the fact and even you've given me good advice. 

[Lucy Kitten]

5 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

You know better than that. Even when I simply converse with you, or you me, sometimes we both drop our shields. I'm also a Chatty person. Generally after the fact and even you've given me good advice. 

LOL I meant that the provider who you gave your information to hasn't killed you yet. I would never give you bad advice TY