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Downsides of legalization?

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So, we have to remember that everyone here is technically breaking the law.  I'm assuming that most, if not all, of the members of this board would be in favor of legalizing the hobby.

However, I'm curious what people here (ladies or men) might come up with as possible negative side effects if the laws against prostitution were abolished?

Anyone?

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Baby steps...I would be in favor of decriminalization. Then Legalization as an option later down the road.

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The biggest concern is regulation. Decriminalization would hopefully avoid that but it's not likely. Anonymity would be gone for all, testing would be enforced and possibly reported. There could be rules like acceptable locations or proximity to certain things like schools. My fear is that legalization would force us into brothel like conditions.

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I suspect that the providers would be required to keep records of who they saw and when.  There would almost certainly be a location aspect.

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2 hours ago, mustang said:

I suspect that the providers would be required to keep records of who they saw and when.  There would almost certainly be a location aspect.

Is this how it works in Nevada? Or in other countries where it's legal? 

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3 hours ago, mustang said:

I suspect that the providers would be required to keep records of who they saw and when.  There would almost certainly be a location aspect.

Above-board providers would probably have to keep records, but I think there would still be an underground market.

I don't see legalization OR decriminalization ever happening, though.  There are too many political groups that would attack it, and most politicians aren't willing to even suggest the idea.

We'll have to stick to "donation for time & companionship only".  <_<

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In spite of the concerns expressed by some of the other posters ("My fear is that legalization would force us into brothel like conditions", "I suspect that the providers would be required to keep records of who they saw and when.  There would almost certainly be a location aspect"), it is possible to have laws that decriminalize prostitution and protect rights of sex workers without imposing heavy regulation.  The country that has gone furthest in this direction is New Zealand, and some provinces of Australia have similar laws. The following articles (by the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective) describe this model of decriminalized prostitution and how it works:

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It is not against the law to work as a sex worker or operate a brothel, nor is it against the law to pay for sexual services. Sex workers are allowed to advertise in classified sections of the newspaper, and online. However, it is against the law to facilitate anyone under the age of 18, into sex work.

New Zealand is the only country in the world with a law which aims to uphold the human rights of sex workers and to decriminalise prostitution. People who observe this country’s decriminalised approach, often term it The New Zealand Model.

The laws pertaining to sex work are the same as those for other workplaces in this country; sex workers are able to have the same rights as workers in other occupations. They are entitled to workplace protections and access to healthcare.

http://www.nzpc.org.nz/decriminalisation/

http://www.nzpc.org.nz/decriminalisation/pra/

I agree with MAG that, unfortunately, such laws are unlikely to be passed anywhere in the United States anytime soon, because of the strength of fundamentalist religions (belief systems) and "social conservatism" (the political movement based on these belief systems).  A little reading shows how different New Zealand politics is from the US in this respect .  The main socially conservative political party in New Zealand (that would repeal the current laws protecting sex worker rights) came in **fifth place** in their last national elections, with 4 % of the popular vote, and won zero seats in parliament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_New_Zealand#Ongoing_debates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_general_election,_2014

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1 hour ago, N6_in_the_village said:

In spite of the concerns expressed by some of the other posters ("My fear is that legalization would force us into brothel like conditions", "I suspect that the providers would be required to keep records of who they saw and when.  There would almost certainly be a location aspect"), it is possible to have laws that decriminalize prostitution and protect rights of sex workers without imposing heavy regulation.  The country that has gone furthest in this direction is New Zealand, and some provinces of Australia have similar laws. The following articles (by the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective) describe this model of decriminalized prostitution and how it works:

http://www.nzpc.org.nz/decriminalisation/

http://www.nzpc.org.nz/decriminalisation/pra/

I agree with MAG that, unfortunately, such laws are unlikely to be passed anywhere in the United States anytime soon, because of the strength of fundamentalist religions (belief systems) and "social conservatism" (the political movement based on these belief systems).  A little reading shows how different New Zealand politics is from the US in this respect .  The main socially conservative political party in New Zealand (that would repeal the current laws protecting sex worker rights) came in **fifth place** in their last national elections, with 4 % of the popular vote, and won zero seats in parliament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_New_Zealand#Ongoing_debates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_general_election,_2014

No one is denying it isn't possible but the question was what are the fears of legalization. What New Zealand did was decriminalize which is the ultimately the hope for sex work here, legalization has different implications. Considering that we already have legal prostitution in the form of brothels in Nevada and the moral authority of Americans, I think it would be safe to assume that it's not unlikely in the even of legalization that we go the brothel and or heavily regulated route.

We can't even stop trying to regulate the hell out of porn. California and Prop 60 are trying make life harder for porn actors. I do see a future of decriminalization but I think we have a lot of work to do in the US to end stigma first.

 

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Legalized=regulated=government involvement.  Concerns?  Gosh, none that I can think of......

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Been to Nevada and VERY expensive brothel type don't know what would happen to independents

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20 hours ago, Studman said:

Been to Nevada and VERY expensive brothel type don't know what would happen to independents

Agree with this, very expensive compared to equivalent services elsewhere. Its the reason I've never returned to them after having  taste of them in the 90's.

 

On October 28, 2016 at 9:59 PM, N6_in_the_village said:

In spite of the concerns expressed by some of the other posters ("My fear is that legalization would force us into brothel like conditions", "I suspect that the providers would be required to keep records of who they saw and when.  There would almost certainly be a location aspect"), it is possible to have laws that decriminalize prostitution and protect rights of sex workers without imposing heavy regulation.  The country that has gone furthest in this direction is New Zealand, and some provinces of Australia have similar laws. The following articles (by the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective) describe this model of decriminalized prostitution and how it works:

http://www.nzpc.org.nz/decriminalisation/

http://www.nzpc.org.nz/decriminalisation/pra/

I agree with MAG that, unfortunately, such laws are unlikely to be passed anywhere in the United States anytime soon, because of the strength of fundamentalist religions (belief systems) and "social conservatism" (the political movement based on these belief systems).  A little reading shows how different New Zealand politics is from the US in this respect .  The main socially conservative political party in New Zealand (that would repeal the current laws protecting sex worker rights) came in **fifth place** in their last national elections, with 4 % of the popular vote, and won zero seats in parliament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_New_Zealand#Ongoing_debates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_general_election,_2014

Unfortunately, it isn't just social conservatives that block any course towards decriminalization. Liberals also oppose it on the grounds of preventing "sex trafficking".  Yet, I'm positive both conservative and liberal legislators partake in this hobby, just look at the headlines. So it's the general mindset in this country that prevents it being more acceptable. Too bad we can't criminalize hypocrisy.:angry:

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Who is breaking the law? I'm not doing anything illegal. One thing I have learned is that just because I give a lady a donation doesn't mean she will automatically go to bed with me. Many times after talking for a bit we find out that there is no chemistry between us and we just say goodbye.

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On 10/28/2016 at 2:58 PM, Lucy Kitten said:

The biggest concern is regulation. Decriminalization would hopefully avoid that but it's not likely. Anonymity would be gone for all, testing would be enforced and possibly reported. There could be rules like acceptable locations or proximity to certain things like schools. My fear is that legalization would force us into brothel like conditions.

Yep, that's my biggest worry as well...if legalized there's too much of a chance that the subsequent regulations would just be used to further marginalize the parts of our community (undocumented, survival, street-based, etc) who are already under the highest amount of strain. 

Additionally, legislation/regulations often serve to perpetuate stigma - if someone has to get registered to legally work then what happens when later they want to work an office job and that shows up in their work history? And mandated testing just encourages the prevalent myth that we're somehow vectors of disease, not to mention that if they start restricting where we can work (still due to stigma about exposing children to sin) then that'll effectively evolve red light districts. *sigh*  

I could go on, but I can't help but believe the only good solution to the current mess is decriminalization and keeping both police and legislature out of our intimate business. 

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