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I guess most were on BP or TOB.  I participate in this "hobby" and enjoy it.  However, I have a real hangup with underage girls being introduced to the hobby. If a mature woman chooses to do this GREAT!  However, as for pimps I really think they should have their penis cut off but not their balls.  That way they'd still want it but could not participate.

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I hope they leave legit agencies and independent poroviders alone. The need to go after people who are truly hurting others. Every time they bust independent escort it makes me 😡because they should be spending the money on capturing pimps and people who are beatening up escorts. 

If they actually did this our community would be much better place. 

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21 hours ago, Chrissy said:

How many do yall think were TOB/BP-411 advertisers??

Notice  they don't mention specific sites thus time, just apps and or internet sites,

https://www.google.com/amp/www.9news.com/amp/news/crime/fbi-sex-trafficking-sting-nets-11-pimps-saves-9-children/337557601?client=ms-android-verizon

I'm positive the lurk on every single website. It's not just backpage. If they did they wouldn't be doing there job. 

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On 10/18/2016 at 11:19 PM, Chrissy said:

How many do yall think were TOB/BP-411 advertisers??

Notice  they don't mention specific sites thus time, just apps and or internet sites,

https://www.google.com/amp/www.9news.com/amp/news/crime/fbi-sex-trafficking-sting-nets-11-pimps-saves-9-children/337557601?client=ms-android-verizon

I could see them being on BP. But while there may be a pimp that would have a girl on this site as well, I am very doubtful that the underaged girls they are mentioning are on TOB, ECCIE, or P411. They actually probably aren't even on BP, but on a different network or working streets as was mentioned. I'd be really shocked if you saw a single one of them on the sites most of us lurk. The closest I've gotten to hearing about anything like that actually being on a site was the 2nd provider I met several years ago had mentioned that girl she had worked with once or worked with others that drove her, turned out to be underage. No pimps, just some loose agency sort of thing that was advertising on BP (this was a few years ago and across the country). 

I don't doubt that it happens. But for all the time I waste on sites like here or skimming BP, there's next to nothing I've seen that would even hint at some of this, so I'm really guessing there's something else going on.

That said, feel free to post some examples or some really detailed explanation that sheds light on stuff I'm completely missing. 

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I've heard that some of the Asian massage parlors are sex trafficking using VERY young girls. I have no facts to back it up though 

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5 hours ago, ajot said:

I could see them being on BP. But while there may be a pimp that would have a girl on this site as well, I am very doubtful that the underaged girls they are mentioning are on TOB, ECCIE, or P411. They actually probably aren't even on BP, but on a different network or working streets as was mentioned. I'd be really shocked if you saw a single one of them on the sites most of us lurk. The closest I've gotten to hearing about anything like that actually being on a site was the 2nd provider I met several years ago had mentioned that girl she had worked with once or worked with others that drove her, turned out to be underage. No pimps, just some loose agency sort of thing that was advertising on BP (this was a few years ago and across the country). 

I don't doubt that it happens. But for all the time I waste on sites like here or skimming BP, there's next to nothing I've seen that would even hint at some of this, so I'm really guessing there's something else going on.

That said, feel free to post some examples or some really detailed explanation that sheds light on stuff I'm completely missing. 

The problem is all sex workers are kind of lumped into the same victim category. So the likelihood that LE would be sniffing around more dedicated sites goes up. We've seen several boards go down, The Review Board, Rent Boy, My Redbook, Southwest Companions. There isn't much difference between TOB, TER, P411 and ECCIE and all those that were taken down. So we know that LE/FBI is watching.

There is plenty of reading material available to you and not enough time here to really break it down but the short version is all sex workers are victims, all clients are evil and ad sites are a burden that allow the illegal stuff to happen. There is actual trafficking going on but the numbers are inflated. Stings can happen on any site and not just because the site is compromised but because site owners can't entirely be responsible for the content posted. The sites themselves aren't always specifically targets but the users often are. Where there is business happening there is always someone manipulating and or straight up breaking the rules. And wherever there is sex work there are going to be the underage and exploited.

I don't think you need any detailed stories and if you're interested in knowing more I can point you in the direction of some great references. I would recommend starting your search with Celeste Guap.

 

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What are we missing here, I mean I have no clue where to even find an add for the supposed hundreds of underage sex trafficked children. Nor would I want to, but its almost hard to believe, although I'm sure it's true. 

I'm in favor of LE taking pimps and creeps out of the picture that are harming kids, hell yes. I hope LE has enough discernment to separate the seriously deplorable elements of the sex trade from the rest. After all, I'm sure even members of LE have their secret honey stash that they dip into now and again. Nothing wrong with that. 

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5 hours ago, jhooker said:

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I'm in favor of LE taking pimps and creeps out of the picture that are harming kids, hell yes. I hope LE has enough discernment to separate the seriously deplorable elements of the sex trade from the rest. ...

The problem is that LE doesn't use that "discernment" until they tip the till. Oh, they may slant their ads for particular market segments, but operations just sweep up whoever they catch. 

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13 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

The problem is all sex workers are kind of lumped into the same victim category. So the likelihood that LE would be sniffing around more dedicated sites goes up. We've seen several boards go down, The Review Board, Rent Boy, My Redbook, Southwest Companions. There isn't much difference between TOB, TER, P411 and ECCIE and all those that were taken down. So we know that LE/FBI is watching.

There is plenty of reading material available to you and not enough time here to really break it down but the short version is all sex workers are victims, all clients are evil and ad sites are a burden that allow the illegal stuff to happen. There is actual trafficking going on but the numbers are inflated. Stings can happen on any site and not just because the site is compromised but because site owners can't entirely be responsible for the content posted. The sites themselves aren't always specifically targets but the users often are. Where there is business happening there is always someone manipulating and or straight up breaking the rules. And wherever there is sex work there are going to be the underage and exploited.

I don't think you need any detailed stories and if you're interested in knowing more I can point you in the direction of some great references. I would recommend starting your search with Celeste Guap.

 

My point was simply on the actual terrible side. I know LE is targeting all the boards - that's not the same as these boards running ads for underaged girls which I am suggesting isn't really going on. I was asking if you or others saw any evidence to suggest that there is more than what you just said - like LE suggesting a 50 yr old veteran is actually 16?

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11 hours ago, jhooker said:

What are we missing here, I mean I have no clue where to even find an add for the supposed hundreds of underage sex trafficked children. Nor would I want to, but its almost hard to believe, 

 

 

1 hour ago, ajot said:

My point was simply on the actual terrible side. I know LE is targeting all the boards - that's not the same as these boards running ads for underaged girls which I am suggesting isn't really going on. I was asking if you or others saw any evidence to suggest that there is more than what you just said - like LE suggesting a 50 yr old veteran is actually 16?

Seriously guys?  Head in sand often? It helps nothing to deny the obvious. Go to backpage and search "18".  Three pages of ads pop up (yeah, maybe SOME are actually 18 and independent :cool:)  It took perhaps 15 seconds to find a gem with this wording:

We have 2-5girls a day ❤️❤️❤ ️ ❤️❤️ We change new girls every 4 days ❤️ ️ ❤️🔴❤️18-24 years old❤️🔴

Does anyone seriously believe 18 year-olds voluntarily go town to town spending only 4 days per stop. This is but one obvious example. "Girls" OK

2 more seconds to find an ad for an "18" with a small female figure - no face - sitting on a bed with a Barbi bed spread and holding a teddy bear.  Seriously??

Just a couple quick examples.  The details of some of the police stings indicate the johns answered this type of ad, were told by the LE on the other end that the females were actually younger than 18, and the arrested johns were still eagerly showing up. Here is but one example:

http://www.woodburybulletin.com/news/crime-and-courts/3845446-update-police-arrest-15-men-sex-minors-sting-red-roof-inn

Yes, it is infuriating when LE and politicians lump all sex workers into the "abused and trafficked" category and all johns into the "abuser and pedophile" category.  It is almost equally infuriating when members of this "community" try to act like it never happens and they have never seen ANYTHING suspicious.

For what it is worth major kudos to the mods of this site for NOT allowing that sort of crap (the above ads) to creep in here and for promptly addressing complaints of questionable crap swiftly and properly. Thanks guys (and gals). 

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2 hours ago, gr8owl said:

 

Seriously guys?  Head in sand often? It helps nothing to deny the obvious. Go to backpage and search "18".  Three pages of ads pop up (yeah, maybe SOME are actually 18 and independent :cool:)  It took perhaps 15 seconds to find a gem with this wording:

We have 2-5girls a day ❤️❤️❤ ️ ❤️❤️ We change new girls every 4 days ❤️ ️ ❤️🔴❤️18-24 years old❤️🔴

Does anyone seriously believe 18 year-olds voluntarily go town to town spending only 4 days per stop. This is but one obvious example. "Girls" OK

2 more seconds to find an ad for an "18" with a small female figure - no face - sitting on a bed with a Barbi bed spread and holding a teddy bear.  Seriously??

Just a couple quick examples.  The details of some of the police stings indicate the johns answered this type of ad, were told by the LE on the other end that the females were actually younger than 18, and the arrested johns were still eagerly showing up. Here is but one example:

http://www.woodburybulletin.com/news/crime-and-courts/3845446-update-police-arrest-15-men-sex-minors-sting-red-roof-inn

Yes, it is infuriating when LE and politicians lump all sex workers into the "abused and trafficked" category and all johns into the "abuser and pedophile" category.  It is almost equally infuriating when members of this "community" try to act like it never happens and they have never seen ANYTHING suspicious.

For what it is worth major kudos to the mods of this site for NOT allowing that sort of crap (the above ads) to creep in here and for promptly addressing complaints of questionable crap swiftly and properly. Thanks guys (and gals). 

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^ Bravo Mr. Owl! 

I would like to add, it happens, just not as frequently as suggested in the stats. If anyone is worried about getting busted, I would suggest staying off BP unless you plan on seeing well reviewed ladies.  LE no doubt puts out ads to catch perverts who like younger girls. I know 18 is the age of consent, but ewww. Wanna stay safe, see girls over 21.  If you doubt she's that old, see girls over 25. Still nervous, find another hobby. 

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1 hour ago, ajot said:

My point was simply on the actual terrible side. I know LE is targeting all the boards - that's not the same as these boards running ads for underaged girls which I am suggesting isn't really going on. I was asking if you or others saw any evidence to suggest that there is more than what you just said - like LE suggesting a 50 yr old veteran is actually 16?

The arrests when they do these sweeps is under the guise of eliminating trafficking but the reality is that they go after everyone and then report to the papers that they saved souls of the underage. The most recent bust in WA reported that someone underage was reported but from what I understand is that they fibbed and the arrest they were referring to happened in 2009.

LE wants you to believe they're doing the right thing and yes they will absolutely arrest a consenting adult and report it differently. That's why I suggest doing research.

Echoing Growl because he beat me to it, it really is foolish to believe that it doesn't happen. And I would say it may be even more frustrating when community members ignore the things that actually happen. This is one arena in which the active consenting community could work with LE to get the real criminals off the streets and the real victims the help they need.

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On 10/21/2016 at 4:02 PM, ajot said:

I could see them being on BP. But while there may be a pimp that would have a girl on this site as well, I am very doubtful that the underaged girls they are mentioning are on TOB, ECCIE, or P411. They actually probably aren't even on BP, but on a different network or working streets as was mentioned. I'd be really shocked if you saw a single one of them on the sites most of us lurk. The closest I've gotten to hearing about anything like that actually being on a site was the 2nd provider I met several years ago had mentioned that girl she had worked with once or worked with others that drove her, turned out to be underage. No pimps, just some loose agency sort of thing that was advertising on BP (this was a few years ago and across the country). 

I don't doubt that it happens. But for all the time I waste on sites like here or skimming BP, there's next to nothing I've seen that would even hint at some of this, so I'm really guessing there's something else going on.

That said, feel free to post some examples or some really detailed explanation that sheds light on stuff I'm completely missing. 

Ok got your point how ever,  MY post wasn't on the 11 young ones or 9 pimps,   I POSTED on the 47 Grown folks and the communities with lack of mention..???

That Being said,,

I would absolutely love if they kept it 100 percent real to what you see on the news link,  but however I personally know 3 of the  47 :/   Granted they are of the over age group but they (2 of 3) had the best details, insight and knowledge to inform me BCD... And FYI there were fake IDs  involved for posting purposes :/

 

 

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10 hours ago, Chrissy said:

Ok got your point how ever,  MY post wasn't on the 11 young ones or 9 pimps,   I POSTED on the 47 Grown folks and the communities with lack of mention..???

That Being said,,

I would absolutely love if they kept it 100 percent real to what you see on the news link,  but however I personally know 3 of the  47 :/   Granted they are of the over age group but they (2 of 3) had the best details, insight and knowledge to inform me BCD... And FYI there were fake IDs  involved for posting purposes :/

 

 

Check your link again, you did NOT post about that at all it seems? Or mention it? That's my confusion anyway.

 

18 hours ago, gr8owl said:

 

Seriously guys?  Head in sand often? It helps nothing to deny the obvious. Go to backpage and search "18".  Three pages of ads pop up (yeah, maybe SOME are actually 18 and independent :cool:)  It took perhaps 15 seconds to find a gem with this wording:

We have 2-5girls a day ❤️❤️❤ ️ ❤️❤️ We change new girls every 4 days ❤️ ️ ❤️🔴❤️18-24 years old❤️🔴

Does anyone seriously believe 18 year-olds voluntarily go town to town spending only 4 days per stop. This is but one obvious example. "Girls" OK

2 more seconds to find an ad for an "18" with a small female figure - no face - sitting on a bed with a Barbi bed spread and holding a teddy bear.  Seriously??

Just a couple quick examples.  The details of some of the police stings indicate the johns answered this type of ad, were told by the LE on the other end that the females were actually younger than 18, and the arrested johns were still eagerly showing up. Here is but one example:

http://www.woodburybulletin.com/news/crime-and-courts/3845446-update-police-arrest-15-men-sex-minors-sting-red-roof-inn

Yes, it is infuriating when LE and politicians lump all sex workers into the "abused and trafficked" category and all johns into the "abuser and pedophile" category.  It is almost equally infuriating when members of this "community" try to act like it never happens and they have never seen ANYTHING suspicious.

For what it is worth major kudos to the mods of this site for NOT allowing that sort of crap (the above ads) to creep in here and for promptly addressing complaints of questionable crap swiftly and properly. Thanks guys (and gals). 

gr8owl I'm more talking about most of those ads from "18" maybe ones that seem more like: http://colorado.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/try-the-best-18-y-o-russian-hottie-80-special/25657481 where its more like she is late 20s pretending to be young which seems to more be the case. Or the first one you mentioned seemed to be pretty much BS passing off girls as young or even as those model pics!

However, you did prove your point I think. Mainly that it exists and that I'm also just blind to it by not looking for it! 

 

So let's get back to Chrissy's actual topic if she can post what she really meant cause I don't see it from the OP!

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14 hours ago, Chrissy said:

Ok got your point how ever,  MY post wasn't on the 11 young ones or 9 pimps,   I POSTED on the 47 Grown folks and the communities with lack of mention..???

That Being said,,

I would absolutely love if they kept it 100 percent real to what you see on the news link,  but however I personally know 3 of the  47 :/   Granted they are of the over age group but they (2 of 3) had the best details, insight and knowledge to inform me BCD... And FYI there were fake IDs  involved for posting purposes :/

 

 

Sorry, but I still do not understand exactly what you are asking.  The linked story is so horribly written - mixing local, combined Wyoming/Colorado, and national numbers and references - it is very hard to make heads or tales of it.  But I don't see the number 47 anywhere.  It only mentions "pimps" and "customers" as being arrested.  You asked about "advertisers" so it seemed like you are asking "how many providers from TOB and P411" were arrested.  Based upon the article (again HORRIBLE writing) the answer is zero. If the "fake id's" reference is trying to say there are LE posters on this board or that they regularly read this board, I would simply respond "of course there are and they do!!"  And to the extent they are looking for abuse of minors and/or forced coercion at any age I say God speed to their operations! The problem is that no separation is made by some LE and certainly by the media between abuse of minors/trafficking (which SHOULD be pursued and prosecuted to the maximum limits of law) and mutually consenting adults (which should be no body's fricking business except the consenting adults).  

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20 hours ago, gr8owl said:

Sorry, but I still do not understand exactly what you are asking.  The linked story is so horribly written - mixing local, combined Wyoming/Colorado, and national numbers and references - it is very hard to make heads or tales of it.  But I don't see the number 47 anywhere.  It only mentions "pimps" and "customers" as being arrested.  You asked about "advertisers" so it seemed like you are asking "how many providers from TOB and P411" were arrested.  Based upon the article (again HORRIBLE writing) the answer is zero. If the "fake id's" reference is trying to say there are LE posters on this board or that they regularly read this board, I would simply respond "of course there are and they do!!"  And to the extent they are looking for abuse of minors and/or forced coercion at any age I say God speed to their operations! The problem is that no separation is made by some LE and certainly by the media between abuse of minors/trafficking (which SHOULD be pursued and prosecuted to the maximum limits of law) and mutually consenting adults (which should be no body's fricking business except the consenting adults).  

I think if you disregard the 47 the question still stands. The 9 and 11 mentioned in the article are just the most recent casualties in a larger sting that they mention towards the end of the article. And it's possible that maybe it was updated to reflect current information because it's lists total numbers of arrests.

They don't mention specifically what sites are used for these stings which is unusual because that normally is the case. If we can acknowledge that there are problems with trafficking then we have to acknowledge that it can happen anywhere. The true criminals know no boundaries and unfortunately neither does LE. I don't think it's just some LEOs that have this warped perception and inability to discern between consenting adults, I think it's most of them.

I took the fake ID reference to maybe mean that's how pimps are beating the system? Or if LE is using fake IDs to post ads then maybe they're out to entrap? LE doesn't need fake IDs to read and post so there is possibly a scarier reason for that.

If we step back and look at the question as it applies to the whole operation I get it. What resources are they using to make these busts? And is LE choosing to be silent so we can continue to believe that out sites aren't being used? 

We know that LE can't discern between consensual and non-consensual. We should also know that law makers and law enforcers view all sites as reprehensible and have no problem going after any of them or using any of them to suit their purpose.

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1 hour ago, Lucy Kitten said:

I think if you disregard the 47 the question still stands. The 9 and 11 mentioned in the article are just the most recent casualties in a larger sting that they mention towards the end of the article. And it's possible that maybe it was updated to reflect current information because it's lists total numbers of arrests.

They don't mention specifically what sites are used for these stings which is unusual because that normally is the case. If we can acknowledge that there are problems with trafficking then we have to acknowledge that it can happen anywhere. The true criminals know no boundaries and unfortunately neither does LE. I don't think it's just some LEOs that have this warped perception and inability to discern between consenting adults, I think it's most of them.

I took the fake ID reference to maybe mean that's how pimps are beating the system? Or if LE is using fake IDs to post ads then maybe they're out to entrap? LE doesn't need fake IDs to read and post so there is possibly a scarier reason for that.

If we step back and look at the question as it applies to the whole operation I get it. What resources are they using to make these busts? And is LE choosing to be silent so we can continue to believe that out sites aren't being used? 

We know that LE can't discern between consensual and non-consensual. We should also know that law makers and law enforcers view all sites as reprehensible and have no problem going after any of them or using any of them to suit their purpose.

Once again you've written a very well thought out and highly poignant post in regards to this issue. It's hard to disagree with any of your points here and even more difficult to ascertain why you aren't a legal advocate for this industry IMHO. 

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The Denver Post reports:  "The FBI says it also recovered 47 adult prostitutes in the region."

When I read that article, I was also struck by those "recovered".   A much bigger number than the 9 children -- which is great to stop their trafficking.   Seems like many innocent -- I think -- people caught up in these raids.   LE and society should focus on real problems and victims.

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