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On rate haggling.....

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You spelled King Stoopid's wrong. If someone haggles your rate,. they can't afford you anyway. They should find a different hobby, like slot car racing.

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Food For Thought...

I did not join Colorado Athletic Club because it costs $100 a month to be a member.

I do not want to pay $100 a month to get the requirement exercise that my body needs.

I did NOT call up Colorado Athletic Club to tell them their rates are too high for what they offer, I did NOT badger and belittle them in attempts to get them to lower their monthly rate JUST FOR LIL 'OL ME so I could join without feeling like I was paying too much each month for my membership and I did NOT get online to post negative things that bad mouth the way they choose to run their business.

I simply just choose to run, walk, hike and bike outside because it's free.

Moral Of The Story...

Cost to join Colorado Athletic Club: $100 :(

Learning to walk away peacefully AND joyfully when something is out of my preferred/expected price range: Priceless :)

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When dealing with a product, sometimes  there is room for negotiation.

When purchasing a service, never!

A service provider knows their value and worth. If it is out of my range, I move on to the next one.

Or go visit Rosie Palmer and her 5 sisters.

35 minutes ago, JustFine said:

Similarly, something my dad never taught me: Masturbation is the best savings policy a guy can ever have.

 

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4 hours ago, JustFine said:

" I simply just choose to run, walk, hike and bike outside because it's free. "

 

Similarly, something my dad never taught me: Masturbation is the best savings policy a guy can ever have.

 

If masturbation was satisfactory, and thus working so perfectly for men, there would be little to no demand for escorts, body rub or fetish providers... :)

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5 hours ago, JustFine said:

" I simply just choose to run, walk, hike and bike outside because it's free. "

 

Similarly, something my dad never taught me: Masturbation is the best savings policy a guy can ever have.

 

Especially if you pay yourself the going rate for a hand job and put it into mutual funds. :P

(But they always told me it would cause a guy to go blind and grow hair on his knuckles. I heard a study came out ..... but can't read very well anymore.  At least my hands stay warm in winter)

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1 hour ago, Scarlett Dayne said:

If masturbation was satisfactory, and thus working so perfectly for men, there would be little to no demand for escorts, body rub or fetish providers... :)

I prefer the alternative, I'll pay the goin rate...thank you!

 

5 hours ago, JustFine said:

" I simply just choose to run, walk, hike and bike outside because it's free. "

 

Similarly, something my dad never taught me: Masturbation is the best savings policy a guy can ever have.

 

 

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22 hours ago, JustFine said:

" I simply just choose to run, walk, hike and bike outside because it's free. "

 

Similarly, something my dad never taught me: Masturbation is the best savings policy a guy can ever have.

 

I remember my Dad coming into my room and scolding me and shaking his finger at the bed saying " boy, if you don't stop that you're going to go blind". I called out as I was waving my hands from the other side of the room "Dad, I'm over here".

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3 minutes ago, Gregorysymph said:

I remember my Dad coming into my room and scolding me and shaking his finger at the bed saying " boy, if you don't stop that you're going to go blind". I called out as I was waving my hands from the other side of the room "Dad, I'm over here".

Omg to funny...

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18 hours ago, Scarlett Dayne said:

If masturbation was satisfactory, and thus working so perfectly for men, there would be little to no demand for escorts, body rub or fetish providers... :)

Very true. My problem is that I'm just not as attracted to myself as I was when I was younger.

 

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If you haggle, you're doing it wrong unless maybe it's an odd add on she hasn't thought about before. If her rates are high, I will pass until there is a special that might convince me I was wrong, or maybe until she changes her mind. But I certainly won't bitch about it or contact her about it - with the single exception being if she makes a post and asks "why?" 

Otherwise it is your choice, and if I see her to make me happy, then I sure want her to set whatever rate will make her happy!

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34 minutes ago, ajot said:

If you haggle, you're doing it wrong unless maybe it's an odd add on she hasn't thought about before. If her rates are high, I will pass until there is a special that might convince me I was wrong, or maybe until she changes her mind. But I certainly won't bitch about it or contact her about it - with the single exception being if she makes a post and asks "why?" 

Otherwise it is your choice, and if I see her to make me happy, then I sure want her to set whatever rate will make her happy!

I wasn't aware there is a right way to haggle. Enlighten me please.

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I think I have been on here for 9 years now,. Will this same of thread ever die?  I understand the newborns but the oldies still keep it alive 😀

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3 hours ago, fishndude57 said:

I wasn't aware there is a right way to haggle. Enlighten me please.

He's talking about working out a rate for a non-standard service. Maybe you want her to shave your balls or something. That's probably not gonna be listed in the ad. Could be other things that aren't listed- not every provider lists overnights, or offers a 45 minute deal. Some dudes will submit an offer for stuff that's not advertised, and negotiate it from there. Some providers will listen, some get offended. 

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9 hours ago, Buddy Glass said:

He's talking about working out a rate for a non-standard service. Maybe you want her to shave your balls or something. That's probably not gonna be listed in the ad. Could be other things that aren't listed- not every provider lists overnights, or offers a 45 minute deal. Some dudes will submit an offer for stuff that's not advertised, and negotiate it from there. Some providers will listen, some get offended. 

Got it...actually now makes sense.

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What's to haggle? 

"The rate is xxx"

"I've got yyy"

"That's not enough. have a nice day." 

Then stop responding. No more haggling. 

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On 7/17/2016 at 9:42 PM, gr8owl said:

Especially if you pay yourself the going rate for a hand job and put it into mutual funds. :P

(But they always told me it would cause a guy to go blind and grow hair on his knuckles. I heard a study came out ..... but can't read very well anymore.  At least my hands stay warm in winter)

I knew about masturbation causing blindness from long ago. That's why all these years I only used one hand so now instead of being blind, I just need glasses!:rolleyes:

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On 7/17/2016 at 8:42 PM, Scarlett Dayne said:

If masturbation was satisfactory, and thus working so perfectly for men, there would be little to no demand for escorts, body rub or fetish providers... :)

^^THIS^^

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13 hours ago, Kaduk said:

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That's actually a Hilarious joke LMAO :P

Sadly there are tons of men who have real issues with being addicted to masturbation. So much so that it affects their daily activities, their ability to get an erection and causes many problems within all their female relationships.

When you masturbate excessively to porn videos or photos you are actually reprogramming your mind to only get turned on by what you are seeing. Thus making real world experiences less than stellar (disappointment) which end up causing the ED issues and the relationship troubles.

If you're single, and have no desire to meet, date or marry women then I say go ahead... ravish your own body as much as you want LOL.

But... If you are wanting a real relationship or active dating/sex life then it's probably best to keep your hands out of your pants, and focus on trying to get them into a woman's pants instead lol. :)

 

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Vice will try to get you to discuss rates and services during the prosscess of a sting. 

Simply put, if you're going to discuss rates, services and ask for specials, send a text msg what's your HH knowing a provider doesn't offer 30min sessions....... I'll never see you. When you discuss rates and services how do we not know that you didn't get posted as a client? This doesn't work for me. 

No amount of money is worth the risk at this point. If your cheep, next customer in line. There are plenty of guys who will pay our rates and never bitch haggle. 

 

 

 

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Vice will try to get you to discuss rates and services during the prosscess of a sting. 

Simply put, if you're going to discuss rates, services and ask for specials, send a text msg what's your HH knowing a provider doesn't offer 30min sessions....... I'll never see you. When you discuss rates and services how do we not know that you didn't get busted (not posted) as a client? This doesn't work for me. 

No amount of money is worth the risk at this point. If your cheep, next customer in line. There are plenty of guys who will pay our rates and never bitch or haggle. 

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3 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Vice will try to get you to discuss rates and services during the prosscess of a sting. 

Simply put, if you're going to discuss rates, services and ask for specials, send a text msg what's your HH knowing a provider doesn't offer 30min sessions....... I'll never see you. When you discuss rates and services how do we not know that you didn't get busted (not posted) as a client? This doesn't work for me. 

No amount of money is worth the risk at this point. If your cheep, next customer in line. There are plenty of guys who will pay our rates and never bitch or haggle. 

A lot of Newbies don't understand the simple rule that you never ask about services & what our donations are before we spend our time together, OR that you never ask us how much our donation is after our time is up.

I honestly think they just look at our photos, get excited and then call to make an appointment without doing their research on our rates.

They just stuff a bunch of cash in their wallets so they're covered financially no matter what the cost turns out to be.

I don't operate like this in life, but some men do. I want to know exactly how much something is going to be before I take part in it lol. One could think a truffle was only $100 when in reality it might actually cost $1,000 lol.

Unfortunately they don't realize asking these incriminating questions makes our hearts skip a bit with fright. I wish it didn't happen. But it does a lot. Not all men who ask these questions are trying to cause us any harm.

Being a sensual body rub provider I deal with a ton of Newbies who are absolutely clueless about the do's and don'ts of the hobby world.

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3 hours ago, Nikki Holiday said:

Vice will try to get you to discuss rates and services during the prosscess of a sting. 

Simply put, if you're going to discuss rates, services and ask for specials, send a text msg what's your HH knowing a provider doesn't offer 30min sessions....... I'll never see you. When you discuss rates and services how do we not know that you didn't get busted (not posted) as a client? This doesn't work for me. 

No amount of money is worth the risk at this point. If your cheep, next customer in line. There are plenty of guys who will pay our rates and never bitch or haggle. 

I assume the key word here is AND.  Not discuss rates at all as in "how much is your hour rate?" or "How much for an hour of your time?"  REALLY? If all her ads are crystal clear about her rates and there are not 6 different prices on 6 different sites, OK - all well and fine. But reality is that most ladies cause a lot of confusion relative to rates by having different ones posted in different places, not mentioning at all in their ads, or worst of all "ask me about my specials"  To those ladies who are quite clear - THANK YOU! I don't like discussing rates either, but i do need to know what they are. Before confirming an appointment.

10 minutes ago, Scarlett Dayne said:

A lot of Newbies don't understand the simple rule that you never ask about services & what our donations are before we spend our time together, OR that you never ask us how much our donation is after our time is up.

I honestly think they just look at our photos, get excited and then call to make an appointment without doing their research on our rates.

They just stuff a bunch of cash in their wallets so they're covered financially no matter what the cost turns out to be.

I don't operate like this in life, but some men do. I want to know exactly how much something is going to be before I take part in it lol. One could think a truffle was only $100 when in reality it might actually cost $1,000 lol.

Unfortunately they don't realize asking these incriminating questions makes our hearts skip a bit with fright. I wish it didn't happen. But it does a lot. Not all men who ask these questions are trying to cause us any harm.

Being a sensual body rub provider I deal with a ton of Newbies who are absolutely clueless about the do's and don'ts of the hobby world.

All due respect Ms. Scarlett, but the ONLY way to know with many ladies is to ASK.  If not before and not after (WAY too late at that point anyway!!), then when - as she is slipping the cover on?  Moments before orgasm?  You are losing me here somewhere.

There is a MAJOR difference between haggling/negotiating (not ever going to do) and simply being sure what the lady's rate/expectation is before you get there (never going to NOT do).

 

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It's so simple I don't know why there has to be all this confusion. 

The easy way for providers to advertise is (or at least I think so) post up, with a consideration link to your website. Done now you don't have rates everywhere. 

For me... No it's both do not asks me about rates or services or both. The last provider I know who discussed rates and services with the wrong person ended up in jail, they used it as evidence against her when she tried to argue she was only paid for time without a escort license. 

I am aware some providers are totally cool with talking, but I'm not. Just my 2.0 


**********NEWBIES INSTRUCTIONS*********

NEVER DISCUSS RATES SPECIALS SERVICES. QUESTION: I have questions about your rates and services? ANSWER: Do not bring up sensitive topics like money and explicit services. If you break this etiquette rule, and you discuss such concepts, I will have to abruptly stop all communication with you and I will blow you off. I will assume your compromised and working with Law Enforcement. I WILL NEVER SEE YOU You are paying me for my time. I have never been busted and lets keep it that way. Should you have unclarities about my donation or services, I suggest you browse all contents of my website, and read my reviews.

 

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For the men who haggle because they are cheap:  (yep, it IS a savings plan)

https://www.amazon.com/Aveeno-Active-Naturals-Moisturizing-Lotion/dp/B001459IEE/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1469166145&sr=8-3&keywords=lotion

For the men who haggle for the sheer joy of haggling:

https://www.carmax.com/

 

One thing I get from this thread is that the ladies feel insulted because of haggling.
Understand that car dealers haggle on a daily basis. (Yes they do suck)
Understand also that job seekers haggle as well.  
(Though some studies say women make 70% of what men make because they do Not haggle and simply accept whats offered)
(but I bet they make up for it with all those shopping Sales)

I'm not saying the ladies should give in to haggling, just that you shouldnt let it affect your emotional state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKzSpGXqOE

 

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I gotta to weigh in...I see some providers that advertise Greek, but do not have it listed as an upcharge, do I assume that it is part of the package, or can I ask about the price?

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I totally agree that this is a no haggle subject here in the states.  Quite acceptable, often expected elsewhere in the world.  With that being said there are times that the rate is not published.  I don't stuff a wad in my wallet and find out later.  I need to know.  So what do you do when you can't find the rate anywhere?  You might be able to query what is the donation for a length of your time t like you do for a lawyer etc.  Hopefully you won't upset too many by asking this in an appropriate manner.  Any suggestions on finding out what the rate is if not posted?

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12 minutes ago, coolhand luke said:

... With that being said there are times that the rate is not published.  ... Any suggestions on finding out what the rate is if not posted?

You might want to read several recent posts in the 101 thread

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I can understand the guys frustration if rates are not found anywhere.  I could suggest maybe going through the screening process and then asking rates. Then again, if I were a guy I'd stop and think, is this one of those times where if you have to ask, you can't afford it.  

I can also understand the frustration from the ladies.  I'm one of the people who have my rates posted everywhere.  Yet I still get asked. I post them so I don't get asked. So, when someone asks, I don't reply further, OR I ask for further  screening info. Most of the time though it's just easier to move on. Im not one who needs a DNA sample for you to come see me.

Still, not posting rates seems counter productive to making money. So I'm at a loss as to the answer. 

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