BECAUSE IT ALL MATTERS…

[JoDoe27]

@sparkey600 The only problem is when you're given a lawful order, compliance occurs, and then still wind up shot. I know their job is hard, and I can't imagine what they go through. This really is just one example that perfectly fits the narrative. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-south-carolina-trooper-pleads-guilty-in-shooting-of-unarmed-black-man-levar-jones/

 

[Scarlett Dayne]

6 hours ago, 2Big said:

Shrug, dunno why everyone is so upset. NRA has been saying for years that we should all by semi-automatic rifles and sniper rifles with military scopes, so when the guvment starts oppressing us, we can all don our camouflage suits and start shootin' shit up. The guvment is oppressing and killing black folks.....seriously, do I need to spell this out here?????

You might find these links pique your interest...

http://theantimedia.org/state-makes-it-legal-to-shoot-cops-in-self-defense-if-they-violate-your-rights/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-passes-law-legalize-self-defense-police/

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=law+indiana+shoot+police

And Video...

 

Edited July 10, 2016 by Scarlett Dayne

[contrails]

15 hours ago, Johnboy#1 said:

Unfortunately, some people have agendas.

Absolutely right 

[contrails]

14 hours ago, JoDoe27 said:

@contrails and @Johnboy#1

I mean, I see what you're trying to say here but you're way off base. The difference, and I don't know why I have to state this, is THE POLICE ARE ENTRUSTED TO PROTECT CIZITENS NOT MURDER THEM. They are there for a reason. It's to help ensure order in a world of chaos NOT be the cause of it. Serve and protect NOT harass and murder.

But you're right that it's an agenda to think that we shouldn't have to fear cops and demand their respect. Shame on me for ever expecting that. <- Fucking sarcasm if you didn't understand it. 

My point was to highlight the hypocrisy of the BLM movement when it doesn't fit their agenda. I guess black on black gang killing and murder isn't a problem. It sort of reminds me of the similar silence from from the Muslim community to radical Islam 

[frankenthaler91]

 

[Just Jos]

4 hours ago, contrails said:

My point was to highlight the hypocrisy of the BLM movement when it doesn't fit their agenda. I guess black on black gang killing and murder isn't a problem. It sort of reminds me of the similar silence from from the Muslim community to radical Islam 

Black people are literally saying "Stop killing us," and there are people saying "But..."  💔 Absolutely disgusting. 

[contrails]

41 minutes ago, Just Jos said:

Black people are literally saying "Stop killing us," and there are people saying "But..."  💔 Absolutely disgusting.

 

Are the black victims and families of gang killings "literally saying" this? My point is simple (well for some it is anyway) don't all black lives matter or just ones that can be politicized by BLM?  What I find disgusting are those that turn a blind eye to the violence perpetuated by racial hatred. I suppose you condoned the killing of the cops too. 

 

Edited July 10, 2016 by contrails

[Just Jos]

17 minutes ago, contrails said:

 

Are the black victims and families of gang killings "literally saying" this? My point is simple (well for some it is anyway) don't all black lives matter or just ones that can be politicized by BLM?  What I find disgusting are those that turn a blind eye to the violence perpetuated by racial hatred. I suppose you condoned the killing of the cops too. 

 

If you've read anything I've posted on this thread you could easily figure out that I Would never/ could never support that kind of nonsense. You are a special kind of stupid for even having the balls to type that. Your outdated opinion on the matter doesn't surprise me. im assuming your white, 45+ and have no black friends. We can't all be loving, truth seeking, enlightened, just, gentle, kind,non-retarded humans can we?! Nope! Because YOU. 😂🙏  

[JoDoe27]

16 minutes ago, contrails said:

 

Are the black victims and families of gang killings "literally saying" this? My point is simple (well for some it is anyway) don't all black lives matter or just ones that can be politicized by BLM?  What I find disgusting are those that turn a blind eye to the violence perpetuated by racial hatred. I suppose you condoned the killing of the cops too. 

 

You mean like this?

http://wgntv.com/2016/05/21/thousands-take-to-chicago-streets-for-rally-against-violence/

Or 

http://chicagodefender.com/2016/05/03/stop-the-violence-music-video-sends-a-serious-message/

or

https://m.facebook.com/Stoptheviolenceinthestreetsofchicago/

Or

http://youth.gov/youth-topics/preventing-youth-violence/forum-communities/chicago/brief

Do you really me to tell me you've never once heard of Stop the Violence? 

And do not turn this into a BLM condones killing of police. 

Read up. http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

Or will this help?

http://blacklivesmatter.com/the-black-lives-matter-network-advocates-for-dignity-justice-and-respect/

[contrails]

5 minutes ago, Just Jos said:

If you've read anything I've posted on this thread you could easily figure out that I Would never/ could never support that kind of nonsense. You are a special kind of stupid for even having the balls to type that. Your outdated opinion on the matter doesn't surprise me. im assuming your white, 45+ and have no black friends. We can't all be loving, truth seeking, enlightened, just, gentle, kind,non-retarded humans can we?! Nope! Because YOU. 😂🙏  

You're also a special kind of stupid to conveniently and intentionally ignore black on black violence. Maybe it's just a fad to you? It's a choice for some like yourself that don't want to admit that maybe, just maybe, racial, tension is also brought upon those within their own race. White, Black, Asian etc. etc. they/we a all guilty. But hey....that plays into your agenda with all the other ignorant people out there. 

Outdated opinion? You really are a dense one! I'm trying to state Im appalled at all the killings going on but again it's not convenient. BLM is nothing but a movement that perpetuates instigates hate and violence among the ignorant. Dallas was a perfect example. 

Oh and btw, my ex who to this day is also my best friend is.......drum roll please....black (she hates the African American label). I still hang with her family and in fact just had lunch with her brother who I count as one of my best friends.  So take your assumptions and stick them right where the doesn't shine (for most people anyway). You my dear sound pretty racist to me 

[JoDoe27]

As much as I love a good argument I can see this going south. @fishndude57 I'm going ask that you request the killing of this thread.  Pun not intended though the irony doesn't escape me. Thanks for your posts and opened. It's your thread so I'm not sure I can actually do it. 

@contrails: just for the record there are many black Americans do not like the label. I wasn't born in Africa. Nor was my mother or hers. No one came seeking asylum. You can openly say "black" and it'll be ok. Also, @Just Jos was not ignoring it. She simply stated, and you continued to do it, that maybe when someone says here's the problem and this is the problem we're attempting to focus on that it should be the problem that gets the attention instead of pointing the finger elsewhere. It's kind of like the cartoon from my original post. 

Edited July 11, 2016 by JoDoe27

[contrails]

21 minutes ago, JoDoe27 said:

You mean like this?

http://wgntv.com/2016/05/21/thousands-take-to-chicago-streets-for-rally-against-violence/

Or 

http://chicagodefender.com/2016/05/03/stop-the-violence-music-video-sends-a-serious-message/

or

https://m.facebook.com/Stoptheviolenceinthestreetsofchicago/

Or

http://youth.gov/youth-topics/preventing-youth-violence/forum-communities/chicago/brief

Do you really me to tell me you've never once heard of Stop the Violence? 

And do not turn this into a BLM condones killing of police. 

Read up. http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

Or will this help?

http://blacklivesmatter.com/the-black-lives-matter-network-advocates-for-dignity-justice-and-respect/

Great sound bites but none of those news articles were protests by BLM correct? My opinion, despite those neatly worded BLM statements, differ from what is or seems to be happening in reality. Dallas was an example. 

I'm not so sure what's hard to grasp here. I detest all racially motivated killings. I truly disgust those that want to turn it into an agenda. 

I will state though...point a gun at the cops and you deserve to get shot. 

[JoDoe27]

3 minutes ago, contrails said:

Great sound bites but none of those news articles were protests by BLM correct? My opinion, despite those neatly worded BLM statements, differ from what is or seems to be happening in reality. Dallas was an example. 

I'm not so sure what's hard to grasp here. I detest all racially motivated killings. I truly disgust those that want to turn it into an agenda. 

I will state though...point a gun at the cops and you deserve to get shot. 

Actually the last two came directly from BLM. In it they do a fairly good job of explaining their stances on both black on black crime as well as violence against the police particularly the Dallas incident. Short answer; they detest both. What more do you want?

And I didn't know I needed to post several pages of Internet searches to show there is a movement to stop blacks killing blacks. It's been around for a while. 

Edited July 11, 2016 by JoDoe27

[freewheelin]

Imagine that you’re sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don’t get any. So you say “I should get my fair share.” And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, “everyone should get their fair share.” Now, that’s a wonderful sentiment — indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad’s smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn’t solve the problem that you still haven’t gotten any!

The problem is that the statement “I should get my fair share” had an implicit “too” at the end: “I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else.” But your dad’s response treated your statement as though you meant “only I should get my fair share”, which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that “everyone should get their fair share,” while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

That’s the situation of the “black lives matter” movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.

The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn’t work that way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn’t want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That’s not made up out of whole cloth — there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it’s generally not considered “news”, while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate — young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don’t treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don’t pay as much attention to certain people’s deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don’t treat all lives as though they matter equally.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase “black lives matter” also has an implicit “too” at the end: it’s saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying “all lives matter” is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It’s a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means “only black lives matter,” when that is obviously not the case. And so saying “all lives matter” as a direct response to “black lives matter” is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.

[Lucy Kitten]

10 minutes ago, contrails said:

You're also a special kind of stupid to conveniently and intentionally ignore black on black violence. Maybe it's just a fad to you? It's a choice for some like yourself that don't want to admit that maybe, just maybe, racial, tension is also brought upon those within their own race. White, Black, Asian etc. etc. they/we a all guilty. But hey....that plays into your agenda with all the other ignorant people out there. 

Outdated opinion? You really are a dense one! I'm trying to state Im appalled at all the killings going on but again it's not convenient. BLM is nothing but a movement that perpetuates instigates hate and violence among the ignorant. Dallas was a perfect example. 

Oh and btw, my ex who to this day is also my best friend is.......drum roll please....black (she hates the African American label). I still hang with her family and in fact just had lunch with her brother who I count as one of my best friends.  So take your assumptions and stick them right where the doesn't shine (for most people anyway). You my dear sound pretty racist to me 

 

So a lifetime of institutional racism, the constant push to keep Black Americans poor and uneducated, and the years (centuries) of trying to make them feel like 2nd class citizens I am sure has nothing to do with black on black crime. You tear a population down long enough and they start to hate themselves and each other.

BLM had nothing to do with what happened in Dallas. Protesters were peaceful, the shooter was not affiliated. You don't have to acknowledge black on black crime to understand that police brutality against Black Americans is an issue and one that should be addressed.

It may not be racist to throw the black on black crime BS out there but it sure is in poor taste.

 

[Lucy Kitten]

6 hours ago, contrails said:

My point was to highlight the hypocrisy of the BLM movement when it doesn't fit their agenda. I guess black on black gang killing and murder isn't a problem. It sort of reminds me of the similar silence from from the Muslim community to radical Islam 

What silence from the Muslim community? Every American Muslim I know denounces radical Islam as loudly and as often as possible (as needed). Simply because you don't hear it or don't bother to seek it out doesn't mean there is total silence.

[contrails]

1 minute ago, Lucy Kitten said:

 

So a lifetime of institutional racism, the constant push to keep Black Americans poor and uneducated, and the years (centuries) of trying to make them feel like 2nd class citizens I am sure has nothing to do with black on black crime. You tear a population down long enough and they start to hate themselves and each other.

BLM had nothing to do with what happened in Dallas. Protesters were peaceful, the shooter was not affiliated. You don't have to acknowledge black on black crime to understand that police brutality against Black Americans is an issue and one that should be addressed.

It may not be racist to throw the black on black crime BS out there but it sure is in poor taste.

 

 

Black on black crime is BS? UFB. You seem to be making excuses for that violence with something that sounds like it was written in the 1800's. I've never experienced it or seen it perpetrated directly from my white bread family. My ex's family is highly intelligent successful and motivated....I don't see the problems you state from them or their circle of friends professionally and personally. Typical response though from those that want to make excuses in this day and age. 

BLM may not "directly" have anything to do with Dallas but I completely disagree in the effects it has on the ignorant and those with deep seated racial hatred. It's the 800 pound gorilla in the room no one wants to admit to.

[Just Jos]

I'm out of Reputation for the daaayyyyy. 😩😩 (Blame JoDoe)  , Freewillin, Lucy- I like that shit 😉 

Im gonna try my super hardest not to look at this thread anymore. Let's all go spread some LOVE 💜 ✌️

Edited July 11, 2016 by Just Jos

[contrails]

13 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

What silence from the Muslim community? Every American Muslim I know denounces radical Islam as loudly and as often as possible (as needed). Simply because you don't hear it or don't bother to seek it out doesn't mean there is total silence.

Well that settles that then. I'm thinking more on the lines of continued public outcrys from the religious leaders and secular figures to denounce the violence perpetuated by those bastardizing Islam. Not to mention the total silence from Islamic figures to other figures who continue to preach hate and their twisted view of the Koran. 

Lucy's friends aren't going to change anything. 

[Scarlett Dayne]

5 minutes ago, contrails said:

You're also a special kind of stupid to conveniently and intentionally ignore black on black violence. Maybe it's just a fad to you? It's a choice for some like yourself that don't want to admit that maybe, just maybe, racial, tension is also brought upon those within their own race. White, Black, Asian etc. etc. they/we a all guilty. But hey....that plays into your agenda with all the other ignorant people out there. 

Outdated opinion? You really are a dense one! I'm trying to state Im appalled at all the killings going on but again it's not convenient. BLM is nothing but a movement that perpetuates instigates hate and violence among the ignorant. Dallas was a perfect example. 

Oh and btw, my ex who to this day is also my best friend is.......drum roll please....black (she hates the African American label). I still hang with her family and in fact just had lunch with her brother who I count as one of my best friends.  So take your assumptions and stick them right where the doesn't shine (for most people anyway). You my dear sound pretty racist to me 

Please don't call her stupid for having an opinion you don't find valid. Be thankful that she is brave enough to say something at all. Whether you agree with her or not is totally okay, but calling her stupid is showing that your mind is already closed off to any further discussions regarding this subject. Honestly not trying to beat you up. Just trying to keep this post open to all opinions without resorting to any name calling which ignites anger and shuts off the flow of conversation.

Let's say a serial killer preys upon escorts killing a few of them before finally being nabbed by the police.

Then the world all says BUT they were drug addicted, street walking hookers so they sort of deserved it. Who cares because they had been arrested before, dropped out of school, had no teeth and had no father figure? They still matter. Their choices do not negate the worth and value of their souls.

Black On Black Violence is NOT the current topic for Black Lives Matter. While it is an extremely important topic and subject to deal with too... Right now it is NOT what the current topic of discussion is about. Gang and Black-on-Black killings/shootings are NOT the same as the Trayvon Martin case where an innocent teenager is just walking to the convenience store wearing a black hoodie trying to buy some candy who gets killed for no reason other than just "looking" suspicious.

There are idiots, ignorant and violent people of ALL races in every location on Earth. Not just African American people are guilty of this.

There are pieces of shit that decide take a good and positive movement as an excuse to go all nut job on unsuspecting white police officers killing a bunch in Dallas during a protest making everyone there look bad.

No person deserves to die. Not even the crooked police killing innocent black people. Not even an African American person resisting arrest. No person has the right to take another life from any person at any time in my opinion. Self defense is about the only time I could possibly even fathom killing someone.

A lot of you are all so caught up on all the other negative parts of the African American population that it is causing you to fail to see that there are actual INNOCENT African American people being shot and killed for no good reason by crooked police officers.

Are all police bad and crooked? NO. There are some good and decent police out there who's only mission is to truly make the world a better place to live.

Are all African American people violent, ignorant or to blame for these shootings? NO. There are good and decent African American people out there who just want a safe, equal and accepting world to live in with all other people peacefully.

Concentrate on the actual subject at hand... Crooked Police Killing Innocent African American People.

All the distracting and unnecessary violence, rioting, looting, black-on-black crimes, black-on-police crimes, utter chaos and financially crushing property destruction are keeping the intelligent, peaceful protesters from making any progress in the Black Lives Matter movement. All the bullshit is making everyone involved in this movement look bad. It stalls progress from taking place.

Kind of like the Muslim population. 95% of them are Peaceful and good people. It's the other crazy, violent 5% that causes the world to fear 100% of the Muslim population. You think I'm wrong. Think about when a Middle Eastern man enters an airport security check point. You'll see white people slip by without security even batting an eye while the Middle Eastern man will be scrutinized and checked over from head to toe. 99.9% of the time there is no security threats ever found because not all Middle Eastern people are trying to cause our country any harm.

I ask that we all put on some horse blinders here so we can see what exactly the Intelligent, Peaceful Protesters are trying to accomplish here. Then you will be able to see this Black Lives Matter movement for what it truly is without it all being tainted with irrelevant details.

It may be hard for a white person who has only lived in predominantly white neighborhoods to see what is really going on here. I have been fortunate to do a ton of volunteer work in the inner cities. Many of the people I cut hair for, helped and served at the homeless shelters, food pantries, clothes closets and churches were African American. I have seen some very horrible treatment taken place. Because I am a white female who was simply volunteering for various Christian organizations the police were always very cordial and kind to me. There is a lot that white suburbia is never allowed to see or experience. Be thankful that you have never had to deal with any of this abuse. But... Sadly there is abuse happening to the African American population that is not happening also to the Caucasian population.

All African American people are asking for is Equality, Justice and Acceptance 

[fishndude57]

1 hour ago, JoDoe27 said:

.@fishndude57 I'm going ask that you request the killing of this thread.

With all due respect, this thread, while volatile, is not detrimental to anyone. I ask that it survives. It, at the very least, gives me food for thoughts.

[JoDoe27]

3 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

With all due respect, this thread, while volatile, is not detrimental to anyone. I ask that it survives. It, at the very least, gives me food for thoughts.

Fair enough  I see your respect and raise you 5 respects, good sir.

Back to the topic at hand I think the black on black argument constitutes as a red herring fallacy. Some feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. We see straw man tossed out often but never red herring. I hope this is a TOB first!

[valconxen]

3 minutes ago, JoDoe27 said:

Fair enough  I see your respect and raise you 5 respects, good sir.

Back to the topic at hand I think the black on black argument constitutes as a red herring fallacy. Some feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. We see straw man tossed out often but never red herring. I hope this is a TOB first!

 

I agree with you 100%.  Just because there is black on black violence does not mean other problems don't exist.  BLM are asking to be treated same as white people by the police.  There is this belief by the police that black people are more dangerous therefore police tend to be more aggressive against blacks.  More like to use lethal force even when they completely innocent. 

I have been pulled over before and without thinking reached into my  glove box to get my info never thinking if I might get shot.  I believe only reason nothing happened to me is because I am a white guy.

[sparkey600]

16 hours ago, JoDoe27 said:

@sparkey600 The only problem is when you're given a lawful order, compliance occurs, and then still wind up shot. I know their job is hard, and I can't imagine what they go through. This really is just one example that perfectly fits the narrative. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-south-carolina-trooper-pleads-guilty-in-shooting-of-unarmed-black-man-levar-jones/

 

I agree with you totally. It's a very tough job, you couldn't pay me enough to do it.

If you notice the cop is very young and most likely not so experienced. That is NOT an excuse though. 

Lesson learned here....Make sure you communicate with LE before you do anything, they are more scared than you are.

I really hate the way our society is becoming, when we have to fear being pulled over. But that's how it is these days.

[Jez UaBriain]

On ‎7‎/‎9‎/‎2016 at 9:53 AM, Just Jos said:

I just cannot stand anyone who screams "All lives matter" 🙄 as a way to shut down the BLM supporters. Duuuuuhhhhhhh! We know that ALL lives matter. The BLM movement is to say that Black lives matter TOO. Not any more, not any LESS. We are focused on the black lives at the moment bc it is CLEAR that law enforcement and our justice system does not value black life. Why is it that when a black man is unjustly shot by the police the media automatically looks up his criminal record? But when a white man rapes an unconscious woman we look up his SWIM STATS?! If you can't relate, fuck, be THANKFUL for that. But kindly sit your ass down if you can't stand the fuck up! And never forget that "If you are silent at times of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor!" #BLM #StopTheMadness 

 

 

 

Jus' Jos, while I respect your opinion, these are the facts as I see them. I am so tired of all this “Black lives Matter” shit. The cold hard truth is: it’s blacks shooting blacks, whites shooting whites, people shooting other people. While every race is pointing its fat, stubby fingers at each other

Instead, it should be a race encompassing slogan.

On the order of “Lives matter” Instead of specifically any one race of people. When did the American people become so stupid? For once in our coddled lives stand up for the reality of what this really is about  in America. All of our lives matter. To us, to our families.

Edited July 11, 2016 by Jez UaBriain
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[jj254-1]

11 hours ago, contrails said:

My point was to highlight the hypocrisy of the BLM movement when it doesn't fit their agenda. I guess black on black gang killing and murder isn't a problem. It sort of reminds me of the similar silence from from the Muslim community to radical Islam 

You mean these guys aren't enough? 

Anyway, kinda dumb to expect anyone to be a racial spokesperson. That's a dog whistle. Turn off Fox for a minute. Might learn something. 

[jj254-1]

4 minutes ago, Jez UaBriain said:

 

 

 

Jus' Jos, while I respect your opinion this is the facts as I see them. I am so tired of all this “Black lives Matter” shit. The cold hard truth is: it’s blacks shooting blacks, whites shooting whites, people shooting other people. While every race is pointing its fat, stubby fingers at each other

Instead, it should be a race encompassing slogan.

On the order of “Lives matter” Instead of specifically any one race of people. When did the American people become so stupid? For once in our coddled lives stand up for the reality of what this really is about  in America. All of our lives matter. To us, to our families.

White folks never dealt with racially restrictive housing covenants. Always been allowed to own property instead of being property. Ever 'grandfathered' someone in to something? Wanna know where the term comes from? Jim Crow South, where you could vote if your grandfather had voted. Used to keep black folks from voting. Every read about the Tulsa Race Riot? Check it out. Dallas isn't unprecedented. Our country never acts in a way that says black lives matter. Co-opt some other movement. Let this one do it's work. It's important.  

[Jez UaBriain]

With all due respect for your viewpoint, sir. But as long as we continue to buy into this racial separation , and the facts that surround this,, then racism will indeed continue.

The bottom line is we all bleed red blood, and we willingly interbreed with each other.  I truly am sorry for all the horror (past, present, and as yet not committed future) that has been visited upon other groups of people by the group called- white.  But it was not me, nor any of my compadres.  My point is- by calling this division of people by color and culture we continue racism. The reality is true it is people killing people , blacks, whites, and those termed other. I do not like these terms. Are we all not people?

I am white, and I have experienced racism against me because my skin is white.  At the risk of being redundant, I will say this again " We all have  lives that  matter to us and our families'.

[Guest]

" I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

[contrails]

12 hours ago, Scarlett Dayne said:

Please don't call her stupid for having an opinion you don't find valid. Be thankful that she is brave enough to say something at all. Whether you agree with her or not is totally okay, but calling her stupid is showing that your mind is already closed off to any further discussions regarding this subject. Honestly not trying to beat you up. Just trying to keep this post open to all opinions without resorting to any name calling which ignites anger and shuts off the flow of conversation.

Let's say a serial killer preys upon escorts killing a few of them before finally being nabbed by the police.

Then the world all says BUT they were drug addicted, street walking hookers so they sort of deserved it. Who cares because they had been arrested before, dropped out of school, had no teeth and had no father figure? They still matter. Their choices do not negate the worth and value of their souls.

Black On Black Violence is NOT the current topic for Black Lives Matter. While it is an extremely important topic and subject to deal with too... Right now it is NOT what the current topic of discussion is about. Gang and Black-on-Black killings/shootings are NOT the same as the Trayvon Martin case where an innocent teenager is just walking to the convenience store wearing a black hoodie trying to buy some candy who gets killed for no reason other than just "looking" suspicious.

There are idiots, ignorant and violent people of ALL races in every location on Earth. Not just African American people are guilty of this.

There are pieces of shit that decide take a good and positive movement as an excuse to go all nut job on unsuspecting white police officers killing a bunch in Dallas during a protest making everyone there look bad.

No person deserves to die. Not even the crooked police killing innocent black people. Not even an African American person resisting arrest. No person has the right to take another life from any person at any time in my opinion. Self defense is about the only time I could possibly even fathom killing someone.

A lot of you are all so caught up on all the other negative parts of the African American population that it is causing you to fail to see that there are actual INNOCENT African American people being shot and killed for no good reason by crooked police officers.

Are all police bad and crooked? NO. There are some good and decent police out there who's only mission is to truly make the world a better place to live.

Are all African American people violent, ignorant or to blame for these shootings? NO. There are good and decent African American people out there who just want a safe, equal and accepting world to live in with all other people peacefully.

Concentrate on the actual subject at hand... Crooked Police Killing Innocent African American People.

All the distracting and unnecessary violence, rioting, looting, black-on-black crimes, black-on-police crimes, utter chaos and financially crushing property destruction are keeping the intelligent, peaceful protesters from making any progress in the Black Lives Matter movement. All the bullshit is making everyone involved in this movement look bad. It stalls progress from taking place.

Kind of like the Muslim population. 95% of them are Peaceful and good people. It's the other crazy, violent 5% that causes the world to fear 100% of the Muslim population. You think I'm wrong. Think about when a Middle Eastern man enters an airport security check point. You'll see white people slip by without security even batting an eye while the Middle Eastern man will be scrutinized and checked over from head to toe. 99.9% of the time there is no security threats ever found because not all Middle Eastern people are trying to cause our country any harm.

I ask that we all put on some horse blinders here so we can see what exactly the Intelligent, Peaceful Protesters are trying to accomplish here. Then you will be able to see this Black Lives Matter movement for what it truly is without it all being tainted with irrelevant details.

It may be hard for a white person who has only lived in predominantly white neighborhoods to see what is really going on here. I have been fortunate to do a ton of volunteer work in the inner cities. Many of the people I cut hair for, helped and served at the homeless shelters, food pantries, clothes closets and churches were African American. I have seen some very horrible treatment taken place. Because I am a white female who was simply volunteering for various Christian organizations the police were always very cordial and kind to me. There is a lot that white suburbia is never allowed to see or experience. Be thankful that you have never had to deal with any of this abuse. But... Sadly there is abuse happening to the African American population that is not happening also to the Caucasian population.

All African American people are asking for is Equality, Justice and Acceptance 

I'm pretty much in agreement with your post but not all of it. However I think it's fair to point out that I did not start out the combativeness or calling someone stupid first. Im entitled to my opinion and cant help it if the other poster was either ignorant and or arrogant to acknowledge another viewpoint.