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is it just me or is the service level of the ladies going down

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IMHO after only two years in the hobby I have had an opportunity to meet some fantastic ladies. I wouldn't change a thing about the experience it has been fabulous.:D

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1 hour ago, Bit Banger said:

Granted. Maybe that's because blacklists are so S E C R E T.

 

And secrets that shall remain, as they should. But it doesn't take top secret info to know that blacklists are not used to destroy reputations but to keep people safe.

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2 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

 

And secrets that shall remain, as they should. But it doesn't take top secret info to know that blacklists are not used to destroy reputations but to keep people safe.

Actually, as any simple tool with no will of its own, blacklists can and will be used for purposes both noble and nefarious. 

The fact that they are secret is what makes them so potentially damaging to reputations.

But, this is the wild west.  One must look out for him or herself.  There is no "due process" in Dodge City.

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13 minutes ago, Laplace said:

... But, this is the wild west.  One must look out for him or herself.  There is no "due process" in Dodge City.

  • Do the ladies self police their list(s)?
  • Do reputable ladies dispute the placement of good clients?
  • Do disputed clients get removed from the list(s)?
  • Is there a DNR feature for the lists?
  • Is there a rebuttal process?
  • Do the list(s) contain information that would be considered outing if it were made public?

These are just a few of the open questions. I suspect the answer to all but the last is "No", and the last "Yes".

As for how to circumvent the blacklist, use the same process disreputable ladies use - change your name & get a new burner phone. 

Old Army saw: Top Secret = TS = Tough Shit

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32 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

... blacklists are not used to destroy reputations but to keep people safe.

The same could be said for the public review system. 

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9 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

There are also varying degrees of blacklisting.

You mean like a douchebag rating system?

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1 minute ago, Laplace said:

Actually, as any simple tool with no will of its own, blacklists can and will be used for purposes both noble and nefarious. 

The fact that they are secret is what makes them so potentially damaging to reputations.

But, this is the wild west.  One must look out for him or herself.  There is no "due process" in Dodge City.

Can be used but not their specific purpose. The fact they are secret has kept many of us safe and alive. Stalkers, thieves, violent offenders and rapists are what we're really looking out for. The guys who manage to find out they're blacklisted (wonder how that happens, not really though) are able to change up names so new providers are none the wiser. Those who whine about blacklists being unfair have already found ways to circumvent them.

The abuse of blacklists is minimal (no hard feelings @Melissa Sterling, I like you but agree to disagree?). The most wonderful things about blacklists are the no client interference and the ability to post about things that happened in sessions that providers don't like. And as Melissa pointed out it is up to the reader whether or not the info is useful to them. Some ladies may like to know which guy likes to floss their teeth in bed or who has skid marks, or who likes to gossip in session.

Blacklists are only secret to the people that they don't concern.

 

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11 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

The same could be said for the public review system. 

TOB is one of the few places that ladies are allowed to read their reviews. Most sites don't allow it. Reviews and blacklists while similar are still different. They serve different purposes and function differently. To make blacklists pubic is like making an investigation public, it's makes the evidence useless.

Reputations are far more often destroyed thanks to the pubic nature of reviews. Maybe the public review system should be reconsidered?

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16 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

 

The abuse of blacklists is minimal (no hard feelings @Melissa Sterling, I like you but agree to disagree?). The most wonderful things about blacklists are the no client interference and the ability to post about things that happened in sessions that providers don't like. 

Blacklists are only secret to the people that they don't concern.

 

You proved my point about it being bullshit. The things providers don't like. I will admit shit stains suck, but not blacklist worthy. Flossing in bed, not black list worthy. Bad breath not black list worthy, farting, not black list worthy. WHINING because a guy stayed 5 minutes over and was 5 min late, not blacklist worthy. Checking up on a girl because she no call no shows and has a stellar reputation, and then she black lists him and tells his wife, ABUSE. Outing someone,  abuse. Making up a story abuse. Blacklists are for dangerous people. Period. To say petty bullshit, it's stupid and mean. If you cant handle a guy because he has a voice that creeps you out, find a new line of work because at worst the above examples prove is that these guys are HUMAN.  So agree to disagree, yep. 

Please note the above examples are all things people have put on black list sites.

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A significant difference between review sites and blacklists is that reviews describe fantasy experiences between fictitious characters using contact information from escorts own advertising while blacklists may contain RW names and contact information acquired by escorts through what is supposed to be private screening. Several years ago we may remember the national blacklist database that was hacked (or sold depending on who you believe) and quite a few guys had real world "private" screening info coming up in google searches.

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2 hours ago, Melissa Sterling said:

To the OP I've noticed a decrease on both sides. The really super awesome guys from 01-07 are almost all gone. There's a few gems left who post here but I'm not going to shill. If you haven't noticed a change it means you're doing something right. Us ladies however,  we see things a little different.  Either way, some people tend to get to big for their britches.  

As for Blacklist. They're abused to the point of B.S. and I never look at them anymore.  I read one where a guy sneezed and the girl acted as though he gave her hiv. I'm only interested in hearing about violent guys who can cause harm. Otherwise I take it all with a grain of salt. A grain the size if Mt. Rushmore.  Are there as shots, of course,  but I depend on my other screening methods to determine that.

Yeah. I'm like that with reviews. Reviews here are good quality. Other sites are just...meh. Sometimes dude is ready for marriage cause he got to touch a booby. Sometimes dude hates on a girl for not wanting to be an hour long slave. 

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12 minutes ago, Raoul said:

A significant difference between review sites and blacklists is that reviews describe fantasy experiences between fictitious characters using contact information from escorts own advertising while blacklists may contain RW names and contact information acquired by escorts through what is supposed to be private screening. Several years ago we may remember the national blacklist database that was hacked (or sold depending on who you believe) and quite a few guys had real world "private" screening info coming up in google searches.

Exactly! 

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56 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said:

TOB is one of the few places that ladies are allowed to read their reviews. ...

Try ECCIE. Granted, you can't read the Rest-Of-the-Story, but then again neither can anyone else but active or paid members. 

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13 minutes ago, Bit Banger said:

Try ECCIE. Granted, you can't read the Rest-Of-the-Story, but then again neither can anyone else but active or paid members. 

The reviews can be overdone.  I really enjoy crafting them, and a well written review can so.etimes help a provider a wee bit, and that feels nice to me. But the main purpose of the reviews is simply to let other guys know that the lady is a real and safe ASP.  Everything else....and I mean EVERYTHING.....is entirely between the guy and the provider....and to be controlled by the provider.  And I'm ok with that.

As to ECCIE.......

Anybody.....male or female.....with a prepaid visa card loaded with 75 dollars can read the review ROS info and all the so-called men's only stuff. ECCIE "mens only" stuff is a joke....even funnier in that they take themselves so seriously.

But the ladies stuff was much more secure. A few years back a few enterprising guys got tired of this and created a 'bot' that scoured out a lot of the ladies stuff and posted it to a website called "Eccieleaks."  A huge battle ensued.  Eccieleaks is now defunct, but the web crawler still lives.  Oh yes, indeed.

Nothing on the web is secure.  Nothing.  It is best we all remember this.

 

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On June 22, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Badboy said:

Service level?  What the hell, are we discussing a restaurant or a bedroom?  You don't pay for "service" - you pay for time and companionship, anything beyond that is a bonus.  That being said, I have been simply awestruck by the absolute beauty and passion I have been able to enjoy recently with our ladies, much better than when I started five years ago.  Of course, that might be because I quit trying for variety and spend most of my time nowadays with the same select group of ladies, only rarely venturing forth to try out a new companion (always well reviewed, with great photos, and the body type I prefer).  I find that it gets hotter on the third and later visits.  Especially if you tip in the first few and act like a gentleman.

Oh yeah, I should mention 90 minutes are better than 60 and 60 minutes are better than 30.  I used to think, "what am I going to do with 90 minutes?"  Let me tell ya, it's pretty easy to figure out, laying naked in bed with a gorgeous woman.

As I said in another recent thread, my biggest problem recently is trying not to fall in love.

Just my $.02, but as my grandma once told me "if everyone else seems like they are in a bad mood, it's probably you."

Love to see when someone really "gets" it!!

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15 hours ago, Lucy Kitten said:

You're not supposed to know. The moment guys know they think they have some sort of say over how providers use blacklists. Blacklists are a provider only space. Why do you guys back channel information? Because you don't want us to hear it. Same with blacklists the information stays private for the safety of providers.

Everyone is free to have opinions but clients don't get a say when it comes to provider only spaces and products. Guys should really just not think about what's there and be on their best behavior to try to avoid being blacklisted.

Let me add to this- blacklists are subjective. I have seen mostly true information on them and then I have seen false information. But guys, you only need to worry if you have something in your behavior to hide. The majority of ladies know how to read between the lines when it comes to blacklists. Some guys truly deserve being on it and some don't.

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22 hours ago, Jez UaBriain said:

Let me add to this- blacklists are subjective. I have seen mostly true information on them and then I have seen false information. But guys, you only need to worry if you have something in your behavior to hide. The majority of ladies know how to read between the lines when it comes to blacklists. Some guys truly deserve being on it and some don't.

I have seen dozens of fine gentlemen that without any issue that had NC/NS with other providers.

Don't believe everything you read ;-) Same goes for reviews, good or bad.

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On 6/25/2016 at 1:47 AM, jj254 said:

Blacklists probably get abused. Any system like that would. No one will like it if they get no say in it. But overall it's a good tool. Easy enough to get around. But annoying enough to want to avoid it. 

Us ladies know how to sift through the bs so even if someone ends up on it, it isn't taken as law(or it isn't for me anyway). Guys need to quit fretting over the BL. If you aren't acting shifty, raping, stealing, beating, and NCNS'ing...don't worry about it.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

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On ‎6‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 9:33 AM, Melissa Sterling said:

Pfunk and crazy busy, maybe you guys should share your list. You guys always pick the right girls😉

 

On ‎6‎/‎25‎/‎2016 at 8:41 AM, Melissa Sterling said:

To the OP I've noticed a decrease on both sides. The really super awesome guys from 01-07 are almost all gone. There's a few gems left who post here but I'm not going to shill. If yo have't noticed a change it means you're doing something right. Us ladies however,  we see things a little different.  Either way, some people tend to get to big for their britches.  As fr Blacklist. They're abused to the point of B.S. and I never look at them anymore.  I read one where a guy sneezed and the girl acted as though he gave her hiv. I'm only interested in hearing about violent guys who can cause harm. Otherwise I take it all with a grain of salt. A grain the size if Mt. Rushmore.  Are there as shots, of course,  but I depend on my other screening methods to determine that.

Melissa you lend a touch of class as usual.

I think you are exactly right. I have NOT run into a drop in service at all, and I have been hobbying for about 8 years.

I think this is a case of "you get what you expect" and "you get what you give"

. Just my 2 cents

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WOW, as noted in my post above from a few days ago, I usually stick to my group of ATFs, but this past week they were all vacationing, touring, retired, etc.  Nobody home!  So the little head talked me into exploring for a change and I followed my usual exploration protocol:

Well reviewed: Check

Reviews indicated that desired activities are on the menu: Check

Reviews indicated conversational ability and intelligence: Check

Desired age and body type: Check

Reasonable donation for time and companionship: Check

So I contacted a couple of young beauties who checked out (one for Friday and one for Tuesday) and was absolutely blown away by their beauty, intelligence, charm, conversation, lovely young bodies, enthusiasm, energy, and passion for a full variety of consensual adult activities.  Either of them literally could be a Victoria Secrets model and both were like insatiable little energizer bunnies.

I gotta tell ya, in my opinion the quality of experience in this town is going up, not down, and I am constantly amazed that I am allowed to have the experiences that I have enjoyed with our beautiful and charming young ladies.

If your experience varies from this, I suggest that you do the following: 1) do your homework, 2) make an appointment and submit to whatever screening is needed (for me, it's just P411 OKs - I do not give out any other information), 3) get all cleaned up and pretty as if you were going on a first date with a Victoria Secrets model and want to make an impression with your hygiene, 4) wear clean underwear and other clothing, 5) be nice and play by the rules (no haggling, no describing desired activities on the phone, etc.), 6) act like a gentleman, 7) pay attention to what she says, and act accordingly and 8) be nice and play by the rules.

Seems simple enough to me, and definitely is working for me.  This town is great!

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9 hours ago, SultryKitten said:

Us ladies know how to sift through the bs so even if someone ends up on it, it isn't taken as law(or it isn't for me anyway). Guys need to quit fretting over the BL. If you aren't acting shifty, raping, stealing, beating, and NCNS'ing...don't worry about it.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

Don't think I've been on one. But I'm pretty chill. Show up on time. Clean. Stay in her limits. Everyone has fun. Never found need to be an asshole. Better to walk away than fight over it. 

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9 hours ago, SultryKitten said:

Us ladies know how to sift through the bs so even if someone ends up on it, it isn't taken as law(or it isn't for me anyway). Guys need to quit fretting over the BL. If you aren't acting shifty, raping, stealing, beating, and NCNS'ing...don't worry about it.

Xoxo,

Samantha Sheppard

Ok I gotta go ignorant on this one. Sorry...BL? I know what bs is. Again sorry.

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36 minutes ago, fishndude57 said:

Ok I gotta go ignorant on this one. Sorry...BL? I know what bs is. Again sorry.

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It's the old 80/20 rule. I. In escorting, 20% of the ladies are the cream of the crop and the other 80% are just taking up space and wasting time. There are MANY very fine ladies out there but you won't find many of them on BP (although there are still some fine ladies - both veteran and newbies - on there, you just have to do your homework). In my experience, Hobbying is just like playing the stock market; if you're a day trader odds are you'll lose your money but if you do your homework you can find the stocks that pay off big time. 

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thanks everyone for your comments!  I think I'm just nostalgic for providers of the past...you develop great relationships and friends in this hobby and there's a level of trust and friendship (some say a type of love of the provider) I have seen these friendships move on to marriage by some and was extremely excited for her...still seeing her at soccer games is kinda sexy too....but the environment lately just seems colder to me...As I age I guess some of that is on me....thanks again for your comments it made for fun reading today! 

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On 6/20/2016 at 0:28 PM, coj98 said:

here's the deal - I've been dabbling for years...and have had some great experiences with some fantastic ladies...as always have the ugly or not so fun event in between...and have learned to stay clear and read the signs.  But lately I'm finding alot of upselling and nastiness when chatting with the ladies.  What happened to the service level?

Read the forums and make a list of providers who are constantly complaining about "clients" this or that. avoid calling names on that list and you will see service improve. 

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2 hours ago, boink36 said:

Read the forums and make a list of providers who are constantly complaining about "clients" this or that. avoid calling names on that list and you will see service improve. 

Having an admin post this ^^^ is really ridiculous. He's trying to hurt the business of girls, whose opinion he doesn't like.  Wow!

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2 hours ago, boink36 said:

Read the forums and make a list of providers who are constantly complaining about "clients" this or that. avoid calling names on that list and you will see service improve. 

Yeah, ladies.  Be good little girls and don't complain or the cartel will cut you off. <sarcasm off>

Personally, I prefer a lady with a mind and the courage to speak it, all things being equal.  And if the theory is to pick from ladies who participate here (a very narrow segment of the business) should we not try to encourage more to participate?  Statements like this aren't going to help that goal!

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