Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) I travel quite a bit. I do not escort when I travel, but I always check out the hobby scene in the countries I visit. Many of the countries I visit, escorting is a legal and a respected profession. What is illegal in these countries are guns. Sex is legal, firearms are not. Now this is just my personal opinion, but these societies seem generally happier. Dare I say, more relaxed. I don't hear anyone complaining they can't have a gun. I also don't hear anyone complaining they can't get sex. It seems to make sense to me. Make love, not war If you had only one choice, what would it be? Legal sex or legal guns? Edited May 7, 2016 by Kashmir Wanted it a poll, didn't work. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 7, 2016 Kashmir, may I ask what countries you are referring to? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 7, 2016 For my privacy, I can not say exactly. I have been to 5 countries where it is legal (sex). I hear our friends in Australia are making more territories with legalized prostitution these days They restricted guns in the 90's. Here are some links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation I am really liking the gun free, sex friendly places. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 No reason they can't be in the same society. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 If I only get ONE choice, legal guns it is. Bearing arms. It's not just a right, it's a responsibility. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) My European friends are completely baffled by this (unhealthy) obsession Americans have with firearms. I tell them it's because the average American male is an insecure sissie who has to hold on to something. Lol. I've said this before: leave the guns to the professionals (law enforcement, military, etc.) Exception: you're a hobby shooter organized in a gun club, or you live in a rural farm area. Edited May 8, 2016 by 2Big 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 15 hours ago, Kashmir said: I travel quite a bit. I do not escort when I travel, but I always check out the hobby scene in the countries I visit. Many of the countries I visit, escorting is a legal and a respected profession. What is illegal in these countries are guns. Sex is legal, firearms are not. Now this is just my personal opinion, but these societies seem generally happier. Dare I say, more relaxed. I don't hear anyone complaining they can't have a gun. I also don't hear anyone complaining they can't get sex. It seems to make sense to me. Make love, not war If you had only one choice, what would it be? Legal sex or legal guns? I'm assuming that illegal sex is still a possibility(?!?), and that guns being legal are much like today's terms in your hypothetical situation. As opposed to asking me to choose between whether guns are legal vs sex being allowed at all? If this were the case I'd say leave sex illegal, and keep owning guns legal, and we keep our secret boards, well for lack of a better term "Secret". Otherwise, if you're suggesting that no selling/purchasing would take place if I were to choone option 1, I would go with legal sex, and then just illegally buy my firearms, lol! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, 2Big said: My European friends are completely baffled by this (unhealthy) obsession Americans have with firearms. I tell them it's because the average American male is an insecure sissie who has to hold on to something. Lol. I've said this before: leave the guns to the professionals (law enforcement, military, etc.) Exception: you're a hobby shooter organized in a gun club, or you live in a rural farm area. I agree with you 100% Edited May 8, 2016 by valconxen bad grammer 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 7 hours ago, 2Big said: My European friends are completely baffled by this (unhealthy) obsession Americans have with firearms. I tell them it's because the average American male is an insecure sissie who has to hold on to something. Lol. I've said this before: leave the guns to the professionals (law enforcement, military, etc.) Exception: you're a hobby shooter organized in a gun club, or you live in a rural farm area. So million of law abiding citizens have an "unhealthy obsession"? Shall we rid society of alcohol (again), driving (speed freaks), pornography, money (greed)........... all because there is a sub set of the population that has an "unhealthy obsession" with it? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 I don't often agree with 2big but I'm with him on this one. Sex for sure. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 13 minutes ago, frankenthaler91 said: So million of law abiding citizens have an "unhealthy obsession"? Shall we rid society of alcohol (again), driving (speed freaks), pornography, money (greed)........... all because there is a sub set of the population that has an "unhealthy obsession" with it? The amount of time, energy and money spent by Americans on the gun debate is unhealthy. And it's not just a sub set, it's a whole country involved in the debate, the obsession of the anti-gun nuts is just as unhealthy. Alcohol and driving have limits and laws in place to ideally keep the people in check and safe. Guns don't hence the American obsession and the rest of the world's opinion on our stance with guns. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said: the obsession of the anti-gun nuts is just as unhealthy. Alcohol and driving have limits and laws in place to ideally keep the people in check and safe. Yes, but alcohol and driving and even sex don't have their own personal constitutional amendment. Wanna fix a problem, gotta go to the source. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/repeal-the-second-amendment-6 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, Lucy Kitten said: The amount of time, energy and money spent by Americans on the gun debate is unhealthy. And it's not just a sub set, it's a whole country involved in the debate, the obsession of the anti-gun nuts is just as unhealthy. Alcohol and driving have limits and laws in place to ideally keep the people in check and safe. Guns don't hence the American obsession and the rest of the world's opinion on our stance with guns. I agree the money spent is unhealthy. America won it's freedom from England because of our guns. Many of the finest marksmen in the military (snipers) grew up with a rifle in their hands. Those that they protect (the infantrymen) are thankful for their skills. The subset that I speak of is those that do not use guns for legal purposes. There are restrictions on gun just like there are restriction on alcohol and driving. Again, there is a subset of the population that thinks speeding, running red lights, drinking in excess and shooting people are acceptable practices. All of which there are laws on the books prohibiting. Although, it is not against the law to drink in excess. But there are people that after drinking in excess do things that are against the law. Driving, assaults, rape, murder........ A criminal is a criminal. 2 places with the most restrictive gun laws (Chicago and DC) have the highest rates of murders by guns. By gangs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, Raoul said: Yes, but alcohol and driving and even sex don't have their own personal constitutional amendment. Wanna fix a problem, gotta go to the source. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/repeal-the-second-amendment-6 Might just as well repeal all ten amendments that make up the Bill of Rights since most are largely ignored anyway. Then we can become just like the sorry ass European countries our ancestors fled at great personal peril. . <sarcasm off> Be careful what you all wish for. The whole sex or guns question is like which do you want: food, water or sleep? Answer: screw this "one" thing, I need and want all three. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, 2Big said: My European friends are completely baffled by this (unhealthy) obsession Americans have with firearms. And of course European's are so totally cool and advanced, as has been repeatedly demonstrated. I'm always embarrassed by the way Europeans judge Americans. Makes me want to take refuge in a safe zone. Edited May 8, 2016 by Happymon clarity 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 Why limit yourself to one? I vote for both! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 I vote for yoga pants on the firing range... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 Kaduk, shame on you for sending me down a rabbit hole!! I need a cold shower. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BadLeroyBrown said: I'm confused, you say that there are essentially no checks and balances with regards to owning a firearm. Last I checked purchasing a firearm is very regulated Well since Doug28 informed me that it's not just a right but a responsibility, I'm headed out right now to buy a gun. On a Sunday. I'll report back to let you know how hard it was and how long it took. Edited May 8, 2016 by Raoul grammar dammit 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, frankenthaler91 said: "Note the distinctive sound of the AK-47." Gunny Highway (starts about 1:10) Edited May 8, 2016 by Bit Banger 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 I'd choose sex. I just don't get the fascination with guns or the apparent need for humans to destroy everything around them. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 5 hours ago, gr8owl said: Might just as well repeal all ten amendments that make up the Bill of Rights since most are largely ignored anyway. Then we can become just like the sorry ass European countries our ancestors fled at great personal peril. . <sarcasm off> The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to protect the rest of The Constitution & Amendments. We (America) had just fought a bloody civil war, gaining our independence from an oppressive colonizing power. So yes, if you repeal the 2nd, just keep right on going after the rest. There will be nothing to stop you. As for choosing? I'll take both. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 17 hours ago, Doug28 said: If I only get ONE choice, legal guns it is. Bearing arms. It's not just a right, it's a responsibility. 6 hours ago, gr8owl said: Might just as well repeal all ten amendments that make up the Bill of Rights since most are largely ignored anyway. Then we can become just like the sorry ass European countries our ancestors fled at great personal peril. . <sarcasm off> Be careful what you all wish for. The whole sex or guns question is like which do you want: food, water or sleep? Answer: screw this "one" thing, I need and want all three. I agree 100%. The Second Amendment was not for hunting and target shooting, but protecting our rights. Without that ability, it would be only a matter of time before they got rid of sex altogether. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 8, 2016 57 minutes ago, Paul Pudenda said: The Second Amendment was not for hunting and target shooting, but protecting our rights. This is one of the four or five most important Supreme Court decisions of the past 100 years. Everyone who cares about this issue should know what it says. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 Guns for me! I don't need to have sex be legal, however, I do need the right to have a gun if I want to. That doesn't mean, I will ever go and shoot anyone, or be afraid to see someone with an open carry. In fact, I feel much safer when I see someone openly carrying a gun. History in Europe and gun confiscation, well look at Hitler and WW2. We don't need gun control, we need criminal control. Look at the gun laws in Chicago. ..Nuff said. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 10 hours ago, frankenthaler91 said: I agree the money spent is unhealthy. America won it's freedom from England because of our guns. Many of the finest marksmen in the military (snipers) grew up with a rifle in their hands. Those that they protect (the infantrymen) are thankful for their skills. The subset that I speak of is those that do not use guns for legal purposes. There are restrictions on gun just like there are restriction on alcohol and driving. Again, there is a subset of the population that thinks speeding, running red lights, drinking in excess and shooting people are acceptable practices. All of which there are laws on the books prohibiting. Although, it is not against the law to drink in excess. But there are people that after drinking in excess do things that are against the law. Driving, assaults, rape, murder........ A criminal is a criminal. 2 places with the most restrictive gun laws (Chicago and DC) have the highest rates of murders by guns. By gangs. Like this sub set of people who think they're above the law? I get your point I was just pointing out the collective behavior is obsessive. And it's not always those who are using their guns in a illegal way that are they problem. Many of the more serious gun crimes were done by guns that were legally obtained. I get why the rest of the world is confused. They see horrific things that make international news and then they see American's fight like rabid dogs over the laws and how they should or shouldn't change. America's past doesn't have much to do with our current state of affairs. I appreciate that we won our freedom from England with guns but we don't face the same issues today. In our modern America the need just isn't the same. I don't believe we need guns to protect ourselves from our fellow citizens, I personally think that's a very scary thought. It leaves feeling threatened open for interpretation. A criminal is a criminal. Chicago and DC have a lot of gun crime but we here in CO are the home of two infamous mass shootings and that crazy dude who shot up the Planned Parenthood. Tight restrictions obviously don't work but there has to be a happy medium. I think we the people eventually have to concede that gun crimes are an issue and the rules surrounding gun ownership could use some tweaking. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 Have you ever noticed that the celebrated mass shootings tend to occur in "gun free zones"?😡 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 9, 2016 11 hours ago, gr8owl said: Might just as well repeal all ten amendments that make up the Bill of Rights since most are largely ignored anyway. Then we can become just like the sorry ass European countries our ancestors fled at great personal peril. . <sarcasm off> Be careful what you all wish for. The whole sex or guns question is like which do you want: food, water or sleep? Answer: screw this "one" thing, I need and want all three. Well said my friend. I've been a responsible gun owner for over 4 decades. 40 PLUS YEARS!!! Nothing bad has ever happened as a result. I have taught my kids (and now my 6 grand kids) how to handle guns in a safe and responsible manner. There has NEVER been a close call or a problem with my family because there is LOGIC and teaching here. I take the time to teach them how to handle a fire arm and to see if it's loaded and to never point it at anything that is not a target. I teach them that it's NOT a toy. So, if you want to make guns illegal due to illogical choices and bad parenting/bad social skills, where would we draw the line next? Think about that for a minute. Are you getting it yet? Probably not, and that's so sad. We've seemed to be putting PC before our own rights that so many have died for over all the years our country has been founded. No, thanks much but I'll keep me second amendment right first and foremost if asked this question. Sex for money will always be available. We have to make sure our rights stay protected. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
